It was mostly down to our midfield being left wide open for Arsenal to waltz right through. We probably still wouldve lost thanks to those awful individual performances but the game wouldn't have been over after 20 mins.
Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread
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It was mostly down to our midfield being left wide open for Arsenal to waltz right through. We probably still wouldve lost thanks to those awful individual performances but the game wouldn't have been over after 20 mins.
We tried to play on the counter. He said as much in his pre game talk. First two goals blow that out of the window.
You can't be serious?Where is the great job? Spent a fortune. Still miles off Europe's best. Play crap football. Have no squad depth. And now tactically destroyed by Arsene Wenger. 3-0 down and still sits in his seat and changes nothing.
Or is the great job being top of the league for a week?
Barca just couple of weeks back lost 4-1 to celta. So luis Enrique is clueless too I imagine? Don't base all opinions on one game.
[Bracing myself for the whole 'we were poor most of last season' brigade.]
There's nothing really freak about going away to Arsenal, trying to out-football them, and getting smashed in the process.
Annoys me to no end that our coaching staff seem content to sit in their seats for 90 minutes.
Surely you need to bark out some instructions to change up things? Or to make your presence felt to the referee/team?
Its ridiculous and why wouldn't you do something if your team starts out this flat?!
Surely you need to bark out some instructions to change up things? Or to make your presence felt to the referee/team?
Its ridiculous and why wouldn't you do something if your team starts out this flat?!
tumescent football. No urgency in our play.
However bad this game was, LvG is always shockingly bad with subs. You're supposed to change the game for the better when you sub and his subs very rarely do that.
Totally agree we shouldn't overreact to today, LVG is doing a fine job.
Realistically though, he's right to say we are light years away from Europe's best.
I mean the circumstances in which they scored. There is absolutely no way we're getting back from two early goals in an away game. Complacency/fatigue/concetration during the first 10 killed us.
out managed today , but that's bound to happen at some point.
This defeat is down to LVG I don't blame the players one bit. Pure tactical mess up. Arrogant and obvious thats the reason why we lost.
All I hope is he learns for next time.
I confused though considering last season he played Arsenal absolutely perfectly why did he change it?
All I hope is he learns for next time.
I confused though considering last season he played Arsenal absolutely perfectly why did he change it?
Guaranteed that he will say we were in control for 70 minutes and it was just a bad first 20.
Ah right... fair enough, though I'm not having LVG use fatigue as an excuse. That is something is solely his fault.
Wrong team and formation. LvG lost this game.
Sorry, but this is a tactical mess up.
We've gotten better of Arsenal by playing on the counter for dogs ages now but we went to dominate.
We've gotten better of Arsenal by playing on the counter for dogs ages now but we went to dominate.
I agree we were being torn to pieces, why didn't someone get mata and depay to drop deeper or Rooney to drop in midfield, arsenal were just slicing through us and it was obvious our defence couldn't cope. We made it easy for them and game was over in that first twenty minutes. Pathetic management and tactics from LVG.
Does it bother anyone else how he just sits on his ass all game with zero instruction? Same with Giggs.
It's infuriating.
It's infuriating.
Poor attitude by the players, the were not ready mentally. Our midfield was too old and slow today, we should have played 3 in there for sure. LVG's reaction will now be important, especially towards non-performing players like Carrick and Rooney
I kind of agree. You wish them to get to the line and change things up, tell the players what to do etc... Well, seems to be his style
Not really. It has no impact on the players. Fans like livelier managers but beyond that it's totally irrelevant.
Got his tactics all wrong today.
We've been smashed by much shitter sides than Arsenal, results like this happen.
You can set your team up all week but when you play like a bunch of fannies in the opening 10 minutes gameplans go out the window. Things I'd like to see learnt from this game though:
- Carrick or Schweinsteiger, one or the other but never both.
- In fact, time to start utilising Carrick for what he is, squad depth. He's 34 and his game is quite clearly regressing.
- A fullback in January is an absolute must, you can't keep running wingers out there.
- Memphis needs dropping for a few games.
- At some point Rooney has be accountable for his level of performance, he wasn't that bad today in the 2nd half but he's untouchable and everyone knows it and that shouldn't be the case.
You can set your team up all week but when you play like a bunch of fannies in the opening 10 minutes gameplans go out the window. Things I'd like to see learnt from this game though:
- Carrick or Schweinsteiger, one or the other but never both.
- In fact, time to start utilising Carrick for what he is, squad depth. He's 34 and his game is quite clearly regressing.
- A fullback in January is an absolute must, you can't keep running wingers out there.
- Memphis needs dropping for a few games.
- At some point Rooney has be accountable for his level of performance, he wasn't that bad today in the 2nd half but he's untouchable and everyone knows it and that shouldn't be the case.
I sure hope he doesn't spout any stupid lines about fatigue. It was his choice to shred the team down to the what - 16 odd senior players we have.
I realize there is not really an impact by doing it, but to just sit there while your team is getting absolutely dominated is bizarre to me.
Have some fire in your belly and get on your players about it - even if it won't change anything.
An important loss for LvG imo. He has to take this as a learning experience and make a few adjustments in terms of tactics and starting XIs before Everton and City.
We are closer than before though. You would expect from the original post that when LvG took over we were European champions and now we are shit. Some people it seems were actually waiting for a loss to come and post abuse against the manager/team. The stoichkov article a few pages back for instance.
Not this shit again.
Carrick AND Schweinsteiger as a combination was just completely overwhelmed against the pace of Arse. Not dropping Rooney is another one of his idiot moves. Blind at CM is decent at best but looks off pace against the top teams. Valencia needs a different job.
I'll be pretty f***ed off if he does to be honest.
The problem for me is that some of you see this game as a one of when it clearly is not. There is an underlying fundamental issue we need to solve. Whether you're a Van Gaal supporter or not, how can you not agree with that?
Another example of Louis not learning from the past. Us getting 3 points at Emirates last year IMO was nothing short of a miracle. That game could've gone the exact same way as today if they'd taken their chances. Today, we don't try to avoid a repeat, we just play one of the slowest midfielders in English football (Carrick) with BS against one of the league's fastest attacks.
I'm not even going to get into what happened after the first 20 minutes. We were beaten the moment we stepped onto the pitch. Arsenal were on top of us from kickoff and we didn't look at all prepared for it. How we could not expect that after seeing how Arsenal were building up to this game - even sacrificing the match against Olympiakos by resting Cech - is beyond me.
Fatigue I think will also heavily figure into our games this season with such a reduced squad. I expect our players to be running on fumes by December.
LVG may have a better CV than Moyes but I'm still having trouble convincing myself that we are any better off with him. How many more of these blips in form are we going to experience?
I'm not even going to get into what happened after the first 20 minutes. We were beaten the moment we stepped onto the pitch. Arsenal were on top of us from kickoff and we didn't look at all prepared for it. How we could not expect that after seeing how Arsenal were building up to this game - even sacrificing the match against Olympiakos by resting Cech - is beyond me.
Fatigue I think will also heavily figure into our games this season with such a reduced squad. I expect our players to be running on fumes by December.
LVG may have a better CV than Moyes but I'm still having trouble convincing myself that we are any better off with him. How many more of these blips in form are we going to experience?
Enrique has actually done something at Barca. Van Gaal hasn't so far. And we were poor last season. Should that be ignored?
Not saying he should be sacked or anything but I hugely blame him for this game.
Not playing Schneiderlin and starting Carrick.
Starting Young at LB.
Not taking Rooney off.
No urgency especially after half time.
Not playing Schneiderlin and starting Carrick.
Starting Young at LB.
Not taking Rooney off.
No urgency especially after half time.
The main thing is not to get too carried away with one result
But one theme I have noticed that I agree with and have mentioned plenty previously, the squad ain't big enough for pl and cl we let go of too many players. Some very good ones and a couple of handy squad players
I dread to think how we will cope with the busy Xmas schedule
We can buy in Jan but by that stage it might be too late
But one theme I have noticed that I agree with and have mentioned plenty previously, the squad ain't big enough for pl and cl we let go of too many players. Some very good ones and a couple of handy squad players
I dread to think how we will cope with the busy Xmas schedule
We can buy in Jan but by that stage it might be too late
Got quite a few things wrong today. Needs to adapt based on the opposition. We can't play BFS + Carrick vs the big teams, it's suicidal.
In fairness, yes it does. It's just his way I guess. But i think I would like to see him barking orders on the touch line
Although the players have to take some responsibility, the manager has to take the blame today. We were tactically outplayed, and he didn't even bother to change anything until half time.
I've said it, and I will continue to say it though, we won't win anything under LVG.
Today exposed our tactics, but the only real dominant performance we have had this year is against the leagues worst team.
I know this will be classed as 'knee jerk', but if we are happy stumbling passed poor opposition, then so be it
I've said it, and I will continue to say it though, we won't win anything under LVG.
Today exposed our tactics, but the only real dominant performance we have had this year is against the leagues worst team.
I know this will be classed as 'knee jerk', but if we are happy stumbling passed poor opposition, then so be it
We weren't poor last season. We were poor the season before. We had poor games last season sure but overall that was exactly what we wanted out of the season. Qualify for CL.
Yep. Especially when we're getting destroyed. When Moyes did it fans went mental. Yet some are fine with Van Gaal doing it.
Pathetic/arrogant management today, doesn't mean he is a bad manager but no defence for him today. He picked the wrong players, didn't play how everyone knows you should against arsenal and failed to react when things were going wrong.
Needs to learn lessons, blind and depay need to be dropped for next two games and schneiderlein needs to start as well.
Needs to learn lessons, blind and depay need to be dropped for next two games and schneiderlein needs to start as well.