Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread

Van Gaal: The verdict

  • 1) Sack him now.

  • 2) Sack him at the end of the season.

  • 3) Let him see out his contract and part ways after that.

  • 4) Extend his contract.

  • Undecided (between 1 and 2).

  • Undecided (between 2 and 3).

  • Undecided (between 3 and 4, if things improve before his contract expires, extend).

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Amar__ said:
. We see it with Carrick too, another quality player who looks very poor this season, and I actually think he was poor last season under van Gaal too. But I can understand it with Carrick, maybe he is just past it
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You cant be serious?
 
Amar__ said:
I am serious. Not that he was poor, but he was much much better player under Fergie.
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I have to disagree. LVG maybe took some time to work out how to best use Carrick but had a great spell in the second half of last season (similar to the pattern during most of his seasons under Fergie). All the talk was of us relying on him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Especially in the opening 15-20 minutes. We've established a bad habit conceding early goals. City could be out of sight by half-time.
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This has to be addressed really because against Arsenal (already proven), City or even Chelsea there is no coming back from a terrible start. It could be argued, on the basis of the Everton match and the fact that the goal resulted from a couple of individual and avoidable errors, that we have or are in the process of putting a stop to it.
 
simon_xazza said:
I have to disagree. LVG maybe took some time to work out how to best use Carrick but had a great spell in the second half of last season (similar to the pattern during most of his seasons under Fergie). All the talk was of us relying on him.
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Yes, I know about that, but I think his performances were quite overrated last season.

I understand we were winning more points when he was in the team, but I don't think we looked good at all in terms of performances. He did his stuff shielding the back four and helping our defence a lot, but he was quite poor with the ball, very shy and he couldn't impose himself in games like he was doing it under Fergie. I am not sure there was 2 or 3 games where he really stood out last season in terms of passing, running the play, etx. Which is very weird considering we like to keep possession under van Gaal so he should stand out more in this team than he did under Fergie. He also looked very slow when in possession which is his biggest problem this season too.

I think he was rated highly last season more by the stats than his actual performances on the pitch.

Btw I am Carrick's biggest fan, so I don't have any reason to downplay his performances, I just think he is very average under van Gaal and that he should be playing much better than he was last season.
 
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Amar__ said:
Yes, I know about that, but I think his performances were quite overrated last season.

I understand we were winning more points when he was in the team, but I don't think we looked good at all in terms of performances. He did his stuff shielding the back four and helping our defence a lot, but he was quite poor with the ball, very shy and he couldn't impose himself in games like he was doing it under Fergie. I am not sure there was 2 or 3 games where he really stood out last season in terms of passing, running the play, etx. Which is very weird considering we like to keep possession under van Gaal so he should stand out more in this team than he did under Fergie. He also looked very slow when in possession which is his biggest problem this season too.

I think he was rated highly last season more by the stats than his actual performances on the pitch.

Btw I am Carrick's biggest fan, so I don't have any reason to downplay his performances, I just think he is very average under van Gaal and that he should be playing much better than he was last season.
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I don't think you can expect much more given his age. He has had better seasons than last season but I also think he has also had worse (under Fergie). I don't think it is fair to think LVG is not getting the best from Carrick. That would up to Carrick, and given his age I think he did great last season.

Although you did mentioned his age so we might not be that far off in opinion.
 
only thing that bugs me now about LVG is his insistence on rooney.

To the point where herrera and martial have to play in other positions to accommodate him centrally. He needs to start phasing rooney out if he wants to get the best out of this team.
 
LvG certainly knows how to shred the confidence of his players. Yea Martial made a mistake, talk to him privately instead of blabbering to the press.
 
ghagua said:
LvG certainly knows how to shred the confidence of his players. Yea Martial made a mistake, talk to him privately instead of blabbering to the press.
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Think that's just Van Gaal being Van Gaal and I think the whole team have accepted that by now.

Juan Mata: “Van Gaal is how you see him in the press conferences, he’s like that with us too. He’s honest and straightforward. He believes in his style of training and way of preparing for games. He’s won trophies everywhere he's been and hopefully this season now we know him better we’ll win something too.

I really value his honesty. When someone does something in training that he really likes, he goes over to hug and kiss them – he really does it. Or he says in front of everyone, ‘You are the best in training, I’m really proud of how you played,’ to set a a good example to others.”
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Think that's just Van Gaal being Van Gaal and I think the whole team have accepted that by now.

Juan Mata: “Van Gaal is how you see him in the press conferences, he’s like that with us too. He’s honest and straightforward. He believes in his style of training and way of preparing for games. He’s won trophies everywhere he's been and hopefully this season now we know him better we’ll win something too.

I really value his honesty. When someone does something in training that he really likes, he goes over to hug and kiss them – he really does it. Or he says in front of everyone, ‘You are the best in training, I’m really proud of how you played,’ to set a a good example to others.”
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I like his style! I do hope that the players like it, too!

Anyway, we still need a couple of world class players to become the team that all of us yearn for. We already have a top manager, but we need top players as well, the manager alone cannot win us games.
 
PlayerOne said:
Still think his in-game management is not great. We were slow, and he brings on Fellaini? He didn't offer anything. Should have taken Rojo off much sooner, IMO.

I struggle to take what he says seriously when he plays Rooney every game without ever taking off. Clearly has his favourites.
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You can say this about everyone really.
 
ghagua said:
LvG certainly knows how to shred the confidence of his players. Yea Martial made a mistake, talk to him privately instead of blabbering to the press.
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I like the way he shredded Smalling's confidence after his blunder against City last season, now look at Smalling. I don't get this notion that highly paid players have to be molly cuddled and spoon fed like kids all the time, Martial is a grown man, he should be able to take constructive criticism.
 
You get the feeling that sometimes he is too much of the eccentric genius when common sense and basic tactics would have suffice. I'm hoping the genius would emerge this weekend.
 
I'm not sure eccentric genius is the right way to describe LVG.

Yes he's got a proven track record and yes he has improved our form and changed the direction of the club. But genius?

I've seen nothing yet to even remotely suggest he's close to a genius at United. And if taking us back to the top 4 is enough then our standards as a club have fallen.

Now if he goes on to win the league and he takes us to the semi finals of the Champions League then I'll change my mind. Taking this team with all it flaws that far would be quite a remarkable achievement.

Until that time he's a decent manager who has improved things from Moyes but that's about it. He's entertaining in press conferences and I think that helps keep fans on his side.

But this weekend he's announced that City are favourites in our game. Now didn't Moyes say something similar and was blasted for it? Yet for some reason this comment seems to have gone unnoticed. Seems a bit like double standards to me.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
But this weekend he's announced that City are favourites in our game. Now didn't Moyes say something similar and was blasted for it? Yet for some reason this comment seems to have gone unnoticed. Seems a bit like double standards to me.
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Moyes didn't get slated for claiming someone was favourite in a match, he got slated for suggesting we should be aspiring to be at the level of teams that finished over 10 points behind us the previous season AND saying we would make it difficult for teams like Newcastle, Stoke and Hull when they came to OT as though we were lucky to be playing such Dynasties.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
But this weekend he's announced that City are favourites in our game. Now didn't Moyes say something similar and was blasted for it? Yet for some reason this comment seems to have gone unnoticed. Seems a bit like double standards to me.
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Not seen the comments but Moyes said we should aspire to be at City's level. And you only have to look at the state we were in when LvG took over and the amount of players leaving the club since. I'm not convinced by him but I understand the monumental job he had in stabilizing the club and improve on the absolute mess 9 months of Moyes did with us.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Moyes didn't get slated for claiming someone was favourite in a match, he got slated for suggesting we should be aspiring to be at the level of teams that finished over 10 points behind us the previous season AND saying we would make it difficult for teams like Newcastle, Stoke and Hull when they came to OT as though we were lucky to be playing such Dynasties.
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No I seem to recall before the Liverpool game he declared them as favourites and a lot of fans weren't happy. It's those kind of things that as United fans we've don't expect to hear. Especially not when we are at home.

To say a game will be tight, tough, difficult, may need some good fortune it's almost fair enough. You expect that in big tough games. But you don't expect to hear that we aren't the favorites at Old Trafford.
 
People criticising LVG over his comments should watch the clip. He said by virtue of them being on top, they are favourites and even then that's for the journalists to judge as he doesn't care. He also said he thinks we will win.
 
Adisa said:
People criticising LVG over his comments should watch the clip. He said by virtue of them being on top, they are favourites and even then that's for the journalists to judge as he doesn't care. He also said he thinks we will win.
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That makes van Gaal's comments reasonable in my opinion. Perhaps not the thing you want to hear before a derby against a side that wasn't much good until around 2010 though.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
I'm not sure eccentric genius is the right way to describe LVG.

Yes he's got a proven track record and yes he has improved our form and changed the direction of the club. But genius?

I've seen nothing yet to even remotely suggest he's close to a genius at United. And if taking us back to the top 4 is enough then our standards as a club have fallen.

Now if he goes on to win the league and he takes us to the semi finals of the Champions League then I'll change my mind. Taking this team with all it flaws that far would be quite a remarkable achievement.

Until that time he's a decent manager who has improved things from Moyes but that's about it. He's entertaining in press conferences and I think that helps keep fans on his side.

But this weekend he's announced that City are favourites in our game. Now didn't Moyes say something similar and was blasted for it? Yet for some reason this comment seems to have gone unnoticed. Seems a bit like double standards to me.
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He has definitely changed our football drastically. It is quite clear to see.

He said Man City are the favourites when we take league positioning into considering. Its not really that controversial a statement really. Fergie has made statements like this from time to time as well.

Moyes, on the other hand, stated that we should aspire to play at City's level. While it wasn't as bad as people have made it out to be, he said it right after we were defeated 3-0 by them. It really left behind a sour taste.
 
He had every right to give Him a good bollocking. But do it in private you numpty!
 
thepolice123 said:
He has definitely changed our football drastically. It is quite clear to see.
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OK what's your point? I could drastically change our football, doesn't mean I'd be a genius or a success. He's changed our style but right now I'm not sure it's been for the better.

I just don't think it's right that a Man Utd manager would come out and say that our rivals were favourites. He doesn't have to say we are going to dominate but don't call our rivals favourites when we are the home team.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
OK what's your point? I could drastically change our football, doesn't mean I'd be a genius or a success. He's changed our style but right now I'm not sure it's been for the better.

I just don't think it's right that a Man Utd manager would come out and say that our rivals were favourites. He doesn't have to say we are going to dominate but don't call our rivals favourites when we are the home team.
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Do you think anyone calling him an "eccentric genius" is basing it entirely on his 15 month tenure at United? You do realise he has a whole managerial career spanning two and a half decades that they're able to judge him on don't you?

I'm guessing you haven't actually watched the press conference? Seems like you're just reacting to the headlines. He wasn't lauding City he just said that when push comes to shove they would probably have to be favourites by virtue of having more points than us at the moment. There is a clip on this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34617584

It's not the same as suggesting we will try to make it difficult for Newcastle at OT (before putting in one of the most toothless performances I've ever seen by United at home) or declaring that the then current champions will aspire to be like Manchester City. I'm not sure why you're trying to make out that what LvG said is anything near some of the shit Moyes spouted.
 
LR7 said:
Do you think anyone calling him an "eccentric genius" is basing it entirely on his 15 month tenure at United? You do realise he has a whole managerial career spanning two and a half decades that they're able to judge him on don't you?
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No I don't think they are basing it on the last 15 months at United. But I also don't think at United he's been anywhere near an eccentric genius! What he's done elsewhere has been impressive, what he's done at United really isn't.

See I think LVG is getting an easy ride from a lot of fans just because of his name. He's had great success in the past and so people give him far too much leeway.
 
picks rooney. time to show his balls again and drop him (scores 3 today).
 
People do seem to ignore context when they talk about Moyes and LVG.

If there was something that United could have learnt from Liverpool post Shankly was that when you are top you leave the next manager with a strong foundation. United never did this with Busby, and Fergie followed the same pattern. Too much belief in certain players and a lack of investment. Look hoe Paisley and Fagan benefited from what Shankly started.

Moyes, for whatever reason did not appear to have a plan and did not buy players to address inefficiencies. LVG on the other hand, has addressed a number of holes the team had. He has built a strong squad that now needs tweaking rather than overhaul. He has a clear system, that is largely played by a mix of very young and experience. Is the football entertaining, at times, but it is not what United are use to. Is it improving, undoubtedly.

The next United manager will have a very good foundation.
 
Grow a pair of fecking balls, make the tough decisions you are paid for and drop your darling captain. Bad enough starting him in this form but to sacrifice our best attacking outlet by far, the player that won player of the month as a number 9 after arriving in the league is unforgivable.
 
If he is so famed for not caring about players ego's or reputations then Rooney shouldn't be anywhere near this team right now. Earn it.
 
Get someone else in to drop Rooney. Clearly Van Gaal doesn't have the balls to.

Had enough.
 
Our team has become far too 'Safety First'.

We need to be taking advantage of a seriously weakened City there.

Pellegrini will be over the moon with that result.
 
I genuinely have absolutely no faith in him. Its like he has no feel for the game at all, and it's some sort of statistician with a few agendas managing us.
 
Did everything right today but still willing to waste martial on the left just to accommodate rooney.
 
All I want is for him to drop Rooney ffs
 
Pleased with van Gaal overall, I think we needed someone like him after Fergie/Moyes. It's just this Rooney thing, I mean for feck sake, he's actually hurting us. If he must play then play him wide.
 
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