Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread

Van Gaal: The verdict

  • 1) Sack him now.

  • 2) Sack him at the end of the season.

  • 3) Let him see out his contract and part ways after that.

  • 4) Extend his contract.

  • Undecided (between 1 and 2).

  • Undecided (between 2 and 3).

  • Undecided (between 3 and 4, if things improve before his contract expires, extend).

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Shit football, shit manager, shit team.

He's made watching United an absolute chore. I turned off once Swansea scored the second, as you just knew the game was over.
 
If 3 consecutive losses to Swansea - all in almost exactly the same way - don't offer proof that he hasn't learned, I don't know what does. Monk pretty much owns LVG tactically and I doubt we'll get anything from the next match against them, either. Swansea are a nightmare for us because they're a club that combines fast play with the rugged tactics that we usually face against midtable sides.

I am amazed that we're a year on and our last-minute strategy is the same as when we lost that first game last season to Swansea, we just throw Fellaini on and launch balls in to him. After 200M spent it's a complete joke that we're still doing this.

LVG's substitutions were also completely wrong. Enough has been said about Rooney and after Herrera and Mata came off we were left with Carrick in zombie mode trying to martial the attack. Putrid.
 
The stubborn man is either a genius or his age is really showing. Hopefully the former is the case.
 
How long before the excuse of building a foundation/we are in a transition wears off? Mourinho took a chelsea team who finished out of the top 4 with as poor a squad as we had, took 1 season to sort out the bulk of the comings and goings, then next season BANG dominated the league start to finish.

We are undoubtedly more solid as a unit than we were 2 years ago, and the overall quality in the squad has increased in a lot of areas. yet, 200m later and we still look a couple of years away, im just not sure its justifiable anymore. he really needs to get the side clicking this year, next season cannot be like this (the performances, bad results obviously can happen to anyone).
 
His lack of balls over Rooney is beginning to grate on me. I support him on damn near everything else. The team plays well but has literally no striker to put chances away. I'm amazed at the thought this isn't pissing off Van Gaal more than anyone.

Rooney is literally fecking up his entire plan!

I do expect him to act on Rooney eventually but I can't wait this long.
 
The poll is missing "Should have been sacked by now" option.

Was really excited when he signed for us, a continental tactician with experience managing big teams. But these days its only his press conference with his arrogant barking that makes me hope he is onto something. Else on the transfer business, we have fixed the midfield issue while creating more problems in GK, ST department with Blind playing at CB and Rooney as a single CF in the team which is expected to play around 50 games this season. People may say Blind has been good so far, but with 2 DMs in front of him no defender gets truly tested. And we conceded two goals today when our DM were caught little upfield. His persistence Rooney will come good is also shocking. Rooney may not be finished but isn't it always better to have another option to increase competition? And fecking Iron Tulip seems to be letting Chicharito leave the club because he missed a few chances and slipped while taking a penalty. He got 20 goals a season while being a sub and was always happy to be an utility player and he's still being sold.

The performance and tactics. It is basically non-existent in attacking front. We need some spark to break an opponent, always or some mistake from the opponent player. What's the point of philosophy if it fails to give you wins or at least performance deserving of win.

Some caftards seem to be happy with defensive stability, but Moyes and Allardyce essentially got that installed at Everton and Bolton with very cheap players too. Wonder why we needed to spent so many millions on players just to be solid defensively. And the manager whose philosophy seem to be demanding hoof the ball to Fellaini when his side needs a goal and being solid at the back. Is that any different from Allardyce or Moyes? Feck, even Redknapp had Spurs playing better football.

We have known we have issues with teams that park the bus against us for almost 7 months now and we are yet to find any solution to that. If we need to hoof it to Fellaini to beat that then what's the point of philosophy or even those tactical stuffs which all seem fake to me now when we can't even resolve the issue of breaking teams which park the bus, which is almost universal problem for top teams anyway.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
We might have created enough chances against Newcastle but the fact is we didn't score, in the previous 2 league games we barely even had a shot nevermind a shot at goal. So how could it have been any different? Against Spurs we created nothing rooney fluffed his chance and walker stabbed it in. Against villa again we created nothing apart from adnans shot which wouldve been saved if not for the defelction. Both games after the goals we created nothing.

Anyway my original point is chelsea and arsenal are much better than us, come the end of the year I have no doubt they'll be top 3 and liverpool will be seriously pushing us for 4th.
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Bullshit. Have you watched them both this season?
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
How long before the excuse of building a foundation/we are in a transition wears off? Mourinho took a chelsea team who finished out of the top 4 with as poor a squad as we had, took 1 season to sort out the bulk of the comings and goings, then next season BANG dominated the league start to finish.

We are undoubtedly more solid as a unit than we were 2 years ago, and the overall quality in the squad has increased in a lot of areas. yet, 200m later and we still look a couple of years away, im just not sure its justifiable anymore. he really needs to get the side clicking this year, next season cannot be like this (the performances, bad results obviously can happen to anyone).
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It seems that he's waiting for the mystical day when he arrives to work at Carrington and finds the exact arrangement of players standing there and the right amount of karma needed for his ideas to reach full flower. We seem to still be in a 'learning' phase after 13 months on the job. When do we actually start playing and allowing the squad to use what talent it has? With the players we've signed, today's performance, which looked like any crap performance from last year, is beyond excuse.
 
If LVG had traded Rooney during the summer or benched him at the beginning of the season he would have been killed by fans and media alike.
Recently LVG said in an interview something to the effect that he is playing Rooney in the position, No9, that the media and fans cried out for last season.
He can now bench Rooney without fear.
 
markhrad said:
If LVG had traded Rooney during the summer or benched him at the beginning of the season he would have been killed by fans and media alike.
Recently LVG said in an interview something to the effect that he is playing Rooney in the position, No9, that the media and fans cried out for last season.
He can now bench Rooney without fear.
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LvG is not one who gives 2 shits to what the media thinks.
 
The long ball to Fellaini was :wenger::D

I mean, that's the plan B?!

Every weekend I go and watch the under age Irish teams.....That's their plan A ffs and Irish football is a laughing stock

Booting it, from 40 yards to a big man, is Manchester United's plan B? :lol: When hogging possession with no intent is our plan A...

Still behind him but, alarm bells started ringing during the week when he had a thought about trying Herrera as a number 10...

Played for Bilbao as a number 10 a lot of time ffs :lol:
 
He's the right man for dealing with the scale and pressure of the club. He's just a bit crap at the football part.
 
entropy said:
Why cant he just accept that United have always played freeflowing attacking football? It would make his life so much easier. Do we have the players to do it? Yes. Do the fans love it? Yes. For a club with a history like ours, why cant he understand that all our squads have been built around this ideology.
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Because he's one hell of a useless wanker with no respect for anything or anybody, that's the reason why.
 
dwd said:
He's the right man for dealing with the scale and pressure of the club. He's just a bit crap at the football part.
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Unfortunately the former is a bit irrelevant if can't deal with the latter.
 
I think if you can get Pep at the end if the season, part way there and then. I've been more pro van Gaal then anti van Gaal and have more patience with managers than others do, but yesterday's game was a real red flag. You never looked like scoring after Ayew's equaliser let alone Gomis's winner.
 
This Liverpool match is huge. For both him and Rodgers really. If we lose then there will be some serious pressure on him. If we win though (which I expect us to) then everything will be fine again.
 
Paul Breitner expressed similar concerns about Van Gaal’s Bayern. “We swapped Bayern’s traditional style for this high-possession game but there was still no flexibility in terms of players’ positions and everyone had to stick rigidly to his own area,” he told Marti Perarnau in Pep Confidential. “In some matches, we ended up with 80% possession but there was no real rhythm or pace. After half an hour, everyone in the Allianz Arena would be yawning at this display of constant passing. Our game was well executed but very, very predictable … the basic idea was sound. What we lacked was speed and regular changes of rhythm.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football...is-van-gaal-manchester-united-jonathan-wilson
 
sglowrider said:
Paul Breitner expressed similar concerns about Van Gaal’s Bayern. “We swapped Bayern’s traditional style for this high-possession game but there was still no flexibility in terms of players’ positions and everyone had to stick rigidly to his own area,” he told Marti Perarnau in Pep Confidential. “In some matches, we ended up with 80% possession but there was no real rhythm or pace. After half an hour, everyone in the Allianz Arena would be yawning at this display of constant passing. Our game was well executed but very, very predictable … the basic idea was sound. What we lacked was speed and regular changes of rhythm.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football...is-van-gaal-manchester-united-jonathan-wilson
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For me, that's a sackable offense for any manager.
 
Kakeru said:
For me, that's a sackable offense for any manager.
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I actually fell asleep watching on the telly -- and missed the Mata goal!!

I dont think I have fallen asleep as often as I have in the past few years watching United play.
 
sglowrider said:
Paul Breitner expressed similar concerns about Van Gaal’s Bayern. “We swapped Bayern’s traditional style for this high-possession game but there was still no flexibility in terms of players’ positions and everyone had to stick rigidly to his own area,” he told Marti Perarnau in Pep Confidential. “In some matches, we ended up with 80% possession but there was no real rhythm or pace. After half an hour, everyone in the Allianz Arena would be yawning at this display of constant passing. Our game was well executed but very, very predictable … the basic idea was sound. What we lacked was speed and regular changes of rhythm.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football...is-van-gaal-manchester-united-jonathan-wilson
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Good find. It is exactly what we see here now, i say get rid before it goes horribly wrong, but what do i know.
 
If it wasn't for his reputation, and a decorated resume, fans wouldn't be so supportive of him right now. Other than our pressing, there are no other improvements that I've seen in his time here. All the philosophy talk is cringe worthy. Considering that there are managers like Ancelotti and especially Klopp out there right now, we would be stupid not to consider the manager situation at the end of this season. Our fans are too used to being supportive of the manager (even initially with Moyes), and many don't want to question LVG a lot, but we also need to remind ourselves what this club is about. And our football and results under LVG have been far from that concept.
 
markhrad said:
If LVG had traded Rooney during the summer or benched him at the beginning of the season he would have been killed by fans and media alike.
Recently LVG said in an interview something to the effect that he is playing Rooney in the position, No9, that the media and fans cried out for last season.
He can now bench Rooney without fear.
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Last season we played with two strikers. Rooney had no business being in midfield. So naturally fans wanted him partnered up top. The issue this season is that as a lone striker he doesn't have the attributes to play that role. He would be much better at #10 behind a real striker. Rooney has wonderful records for both club and country but he is not a top class striker. All of our rivals have a better striker or two than us. Even Giroud would be far more effective in our system than Rooney and I don't rate him that highly either.
 
sglowrider said:
Paul Breitner expressed similar concerns about Van Gaal’s Bayern. “We swapped Bayern’s traditional style for this high-possession game but there was still no flexibility in terms of players’ positions and everyone had to stick rigidly to his own area,” he told Marti Perarnau in Pep Confidential. “In some matches, we ended up with 80% possession but there was no real rhythm or pace. After half an hour, everyone in the Allianz Arena would be yawning at this display of constant passing. Our game was well executed but very, very predictable … the basic idea was sound. What we lacked was speed and regular changes of rhythm.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football...is-van-gaal-manchester-united-jonathan-wilson
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To be honest what worries me just as much is that Van Gaal has a history of messing around with goalkeepers, especially in his second season at Bayern where he very stubborn about Thomas Kraft.
 
ZDwyr said:
This Liverpool match is huge. For both him and Rodgers really. If we lose then there will be some serious pressure on him. If we win though (which I expect us to) then everything will be fine again.
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The mere idea of either of them losing.....

And no, if we win, everything will not be fine again
 
I just don't think he's progressed the club forward in a tangible way and he regularly makes bad decisions. Let's not even touch the transfer situation. It would be no big deal to me if we sacked him.
 
dwd said:
He's the right man for dealing with the scale and pressure of the club. He's just a bit crap at the football part.
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We should make him our Director of Football and get in a progressive manager who is under 50 and not senile yet. :lol:
 
After selling van Persie and now Hernandez, his lack of faith in Wilson as an option and his insistence with Rooney, I don't know if this is foolhardiness or arrogance. Surely, we'd be in the running for a striker now
 
I was just thinking to myself, since SAF retired, when we go a goal down, have we ever came back to win a game, as one big characteristic since the SAF era, is the absolute lack of fightback when going a goal down

Just seen this while searching on google for my above question, relates to our home record but still amazing none the less : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-30-years-Old-Trafford-leading-half-time.html
 
We have solidified our midfield but our attacking options were as poor as when Moyes first came in. Heck, I'd argue we're worse off.
 
Irrespective of the outcome of the poll, what's patently clear is the tide is starting to turn against Van Gaal and he doesn't seem to be doing anything to alleviate the glaring problems of personnel, tactics and execution. His blindly stubborn, immovable self-belief will be his undoing. He is the master of his own destiny and he's careering lemming-like into oblivion.

I confidently predict that if he doesn't improve on last season's finishing position he will be gone at the end of this season. The Glazers are anything but stupid and, unlike some on here who seem to be blind to the havoc this man is causing, will be able to see through his bullshit.
 
.Rossi said:
The mere idea of either of them losing.....

And no, if we win, everything will not be fine again
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If we beat them and play like we did at Anfield last season then I think a lot of people will change their tune. This place is very reactionary. I agree that not everything will actually be fine, but the issues will be ignored until we drop points again.
 
Red Comet said:
LvG is not one who gives 2 shits to what the media thinks.
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LVG may have a very strong personality but even he had to realize that he has to tread carefully when dealing with Rooney. He is a foreigner dealing with the most powerful player in English football. Now that the majority of persons have realized that Rooney is at the very least over-rated LVG can be more ruthless with respect to Rooney, the only problem is that England is going to play San Marino on Saturday. Rooney most likely will break Sir Bobby's England's all-time scoring record and the hype will return to some extent.
 
ZDwyr said:
If we beat them and play like we did at Anfield last season then I think a lot of people will change their tune. This place is very reactionary. I agree that not everything will actually be fine, but the issues will be ignored until we drop points again.
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It's all a bit mad. First loss of the season and we've got a poll asking if the manager should be sacked.
 
Loublaze said:
Bullshit. Have you watched them both this season?
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Way to go back and quote me on something I said days a go but frankly I dont give a toss what they are doing, I only care about United and the complete dross we are serving up.
 
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