Yet, you would expect a quicker reaction from him after realizing those mistakes. I will not lie when I say that Van Gaal really is one hell of a slow learner at United, whether it is about tactics, selections, or how to deal with a blank-firing captain.
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Yet, you would expect a quicker reaction from him after realizing those mistakes. I will not lie when I say that Van Gaal really is one hell of a slow learner at United, whether it is about tactics, selections, or how to deal with a blank-firing captain.
You could say the same about every manager.
Sometimes I wonder this LVG and the one that took Holland to semi final of the last world cup are the same guy.
Everything that I loved about LVG in the world cup seem to disappear in the current one.
1) Tactical flexibility
2) Attention to details/ perfectionist.
3) Attacking football.
Everything that I loved about LVG in the world cup seem to disappear in the current one.
1) Tactical flexibility
2) Attention to details/ perfectionist.
3) Attacking football.
This is exactly the type of game why Schneiderlin was such a useful purchase. LvG plays him against the weaker teams over Herrera. I just don't get LvG's thinking.
You mean the "attacking football" that saw Holland draw 0-0 with Costa Rica after 120 minutes? Outside of the Spain thrashing, I don't think Holland played scintillating attacking football throughout the World Cup. From what I understand it was widely perceived as pragmatic, substance over style.
You're right about the tactical flexibility, though. This season, in particular, LVG has seemed particularly rigid in his "philoshophy". So many of the attacks are slow that it just gives opposing teams time to line up and organise their 9/10 men behind the ball. Granted, he knows much more about football than me, but it seems abundantly clear to most people that the team needs to attack with more pace and guile...
His philosophy of "The more of us having the ball means opposition not scoring" was put to test against a high pace team and got burnt.
So does he have a plan B now?
So does he have a plan B now?
Against arsenal though ? They are the most predictable club about, and the game was no surprise as many knew that our midfield would get overwhelmed.
Won't call this a bad day at the office because LVG got it horribly wrong imo not the team, hopefully he'll learn from this and go back to what made us successful against big team last year, flooding the midfield, be it 352 or 433.
He fecked up but the philosophy didn't get burnt, he just picked the worst midfield for this type of game. He was happy to play a 3 man midfield against the big teams last year and it worked, why he changed it for today i'll never know but arsenal didn't "find us out" LVG just fecked up badly imo. Leaving blind exposed against arsenal at the emirates ? Come on louis that's poor and as i do pride LVG on his tactics to see how off the mark he was did shock me.
Hopefully he learns but part of me think he'll just blame the players.
i thought that had pretty much been the general consensus since Schweinstiger signed, yeah you can probably get away with it against a team like brugge, but thought it was common sense that that we would get ripped apart the moment we played and top team, epsically a team that can play with any kind of tempo, was really shocked LVG went with it, seemed like such an obvious disaster waiting to happen.
and I wouldn't be surprised if he did the exact same thing against Everton. Imo lvg believed he could control the game at arsenal and so he played the CM's that are best at keeping possession. So naive to deter away from a proven method against arsenal and we suffered for it.
I think people are overreacting in general. This was a freak game and very much the exception.
To be honest, the team flip flops between good and bad and I dont know which match is an exception
Pep made the same mistake last year, to be fair. Alonso and Schweinsteiger together never seemed to work, yet he stuck with it for quite some time.
great, yet people want Guardiola as Van Gaals replacement?....... we are going to have huge issues beyond what we have now when Van Gaal leaves.
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That's no joke. People complain about Young playing at full back. Wait until Pep puts Shaw at CB, Darmian in midfield and Mata on the bench.
Selection and tactics were appalling yesterday, surprising really as tactically he gets it right most times.
Van Gaal got things wrong, but United's players I feel were just as culpable.
yet pep has still played better football at barca and bayern than LVG did at both of those clubs.
They both have a tendency to play players out of position but pep is clearly the better manager out of the two when it comes to understanding attacking possession football.
LVG was sacked for being too negative with his footballing style at bayern and barca, not the same case for pep. I rate LVG highly but pep strikes me as the modern LVG which is why I'd love him to take over.
They both have a tendency to play players out of position but pep is clearly the better manager out of the two when it comes to understanding attacking possession football.
LVG was sacked for being too negative with his footballing style at bayern and barca, not the same case for pep. I rate LVG highly but pep strikes me as the modern LVG which is why I'd love him to take over.
VG's chickens came home to roost yesterday, and he has got nothing but himself to blame, not strengthening the defence enough, playing blind and Rooney at all costs, playing wingers at fullback, playing the most immobile team he could think of and thinking martial's pace could get us through the game. Blind carrick bastian mata Rooney, it's lacking the legs when we had the energy sitting on the bench. Overall it sums up why I don't think we should keep VG beyond his 3 years
Part of me is wondering if LVG has already taken us as far as he can. The next step is to play great attacking football and I don't think he's the man to bring us that, or even has any intention of moving away from this safety first football.
I think people are overreacting about the squad's ability. This wasn't a freak game or unexpected game, many of us knew what we were in for once we saw the line up. BFS was asked to press santi who roams which meant that BFS was often leaving space behind in midfield and carrick didn't have the legs to cover ozil who is deadly when given acres of space to work with and walcott will beat beat most cb's for pace. LVG lost that game and I want to see a 3 man midfield from now on.
Nope, watch the game we set up all wrong and they had tones of space to work with. There is a reason managers tend to flood the midfield when they go to the emirates, it's the best way to get a result.
Non of these are the reasons why we lost, do you guys actually analyse games or just wait for the result and find any excuse?
Big games are won in midfield, VG set us up wrong so he deserves the blame, the squad isn't perfect but one loss in this fashion doesn't make it dire either. We have the CM's to play some seriously good MF combinations but VG wants to keep a 2 man midifled and make his no.10 a 2nd striker. That approach will finish us when we play big teams away from home.
Well, I agree that people talk as if Schneiderlin would completely ensure that we don't get overrun when he was the one being overrun in midfield against Wolfsburg. However it was still unreasonable to think that Carrick and Schweinsteiger wouldn't get battered in midfield, with Schneiderlin there was at least some degree of hope that we might have kept decent shape. With Carrick and Schweinsteiger there was no chance that we wouldn't get completely outplayed in midfield.
We need to drop Rooney and play 3-men midfield basically. It will be dull but we will be much harder to play against - as the classic would say: we need to make ourselves harder to beat.
Guys, it was just a bad start that got punished. These things happen, sometimes you just hope the team goes through it and you can make up for it. City just yesterday had a horrible first 45 minites, Newcastle could and should hve been 3 up before City score their first goal.
We started terribly and game was over inside 5 minutes. Yes, we were poor but I have no issues with the team selection as such. Schneiderlin has been extremely underwhelming and Herrera was injured. You could say Young was out of position but we weren't exactly blessed with many choices for the game.
With only two players out injured that's a bit of worry, surely? Ultimately Van Gaal is responsible for the 11 players he picks and the squad from which he picks them.
These are the games that we bought Schneiderlin for, Not starting him yesterday is bad management, no doubts about it.
I get all that, but United's players just weren't with it mentally. It was like United hadn't got off the bus yet. Van Gaal sets the team up tactically, and made some personel mistakes, along with tactical ones and deserves a fair chunk of the criticism.
It was criminal we didn't start Schneidi, and that's down to the manager only. We also should have started Herrera who is excellent at pressing from the front and it meant Schweini could stay deeper. Rooney and Mata didn't press from the front and Arsenal could just spring a pass or start things up with pin point passing.
TBF midfield of Schweinteiger and Carrick didn't troubled me at all before the match started. Some are saying that starting 2 30+ midfielders was mistake because there is no energy in the midfield but to me Schweinsteiger is one of the our midfielders with the biggest energy, running around and making tackles all the time. Carrick had a bad game and we didn't expect them flying around from the start as they did.
Still i would be more worried if this would be our only midfielders that we have but we have Schneiderlin, Herrera and Fellaini on the bench and we can go for another approach next time.
Still i would be more worried if this would be our only midfielders that we have but we have Schneiderlin, Herrera and Fellaini on the bench and we can go for another approach next time.
We started terribly because we were set up terribly. I just explained why our mf provided no cover for the CB's which lead to the goals.
The solution to beating arsenal at home is to flood the midfield and wait for them to over commit then break, we had two CM's in the middle, one was asked to press santi who was roaming and the other was too immobile to cover press ozil. Our game plan that benefitted them as is seen by the first 10 mins, look at the space they had to work with.
This wasn't an off day, LVG got it wrong but life goes on.
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He has done a good job of cutting deadwood over the last two years, but not good enough replacements coming in. Our squad looks so thin, except for midfield.And he seems to be reluctant to rotate as well. some players would have been better of with rest against Ipswich. I believe Rooney has played all the games when he has been fit and so has smalling and blind. They were going to tire at some point.
Injured, no?
Woopsy - thought he was available.
Still not convinced at all. He gets such an easy ride on here.
Got it horribly wrong yesterday.
We have wingers at full back because he dismantled the squad and didn't sign replacements. A 31 & 34 year old in midfield against perhaps the most energetic side in the league, he's made a clearly past it Rooney undroppable, we rely heavily on either Juan Mata who's playing out of position on the wing, or Martial who's 19 to do something for us.
Got it horribly wrong yesterday.
We have wingers at full back because he dismantled the squad and didn't sign replacements. A 31 & 34 year old in midfield against perhaps the most energetic side in the league, he's made a clearly past it Rooney undroppable, we rely heavily on either Juan Mata who's playing out of position on the wing, or Martial who's 19 to do something for us.
Ive been rightfully accused of having a bit of an agenda against Morgan but here I go again
I thought we were all pretty much in agreement he was awful against Wolfsburg. And in general has been very underwhelming
Just because we lost yesterday now loads of you think he would have been key for us. I dont see it at all. We have survived often enough without a Morgan type player. It was down to Carrick and Bastian not knowing their roles yesterday. Both were either off form and didnt know their jobs. That combination should be good enough to protect our defence
I thought we were all pretty much in agreement he was awful against Wolfsburg. And in general has been very underwhelming
Just because we lost yesterday now loads of you think he would have been key for us. I dont see it at all. We have survived often enough without a Morgan type player. It was down to Carrick and Bastian not knowing their roles yesterday. Both were either off form and didnt know their jobs. That combination should be good enough to protect our defence
It's interesting, because even amateur people from outside can see these things, Lvg and his big and well paid staff can't.
It's a joke
At least United won the possession stats, the most important one. That's worth like 3 points on that alternate premier league table right?
Okay where do we start
Mata at valencia played as a false winger, he did the same for his first season at chelsea (where he was poty) and under lvg has played in that role mostly, he isn't better at no.10 and mata only cares about being allowed to cut inside and run channels which he is given the freedom to do. This myth that he is dying to have to ball in the centre is getting long now. He isn't the reason we lost, we basically played 424 and they stuffed us in midfield.
LVG fecked it up today and hopefully he learns but stop the doom and gloom and he in no way gets an easy ride the knifes are out after every two losses.
Yes. 100% but it is the first time he's got it wrong in a big game since he's arrived, which is why we had the best head to head record last season. He fecked it up by not sticking to the well known gameplan to use against arsenal and thought his ideas were better.
But we signed a rb and before that a lb who is now injured. It was darmain who needed help against sanchez and got non because we had less bodies and a lack of mobility in midfield. Please show me a rb in the league that silences Sanchez when he's on form, he was always going to need help but was often isolated.
Mata at valencia played as a false winger, he did the same for his first season at chelsea (where he was poty) and under lvg has played in that role mostly, he isn't better at no.10 and mata only cares about being allowed to cut inside and run channels which he is given the freedom to do. This myth that he is dying to have to ball in the centre is getting long now. He isn't the reason we lost, we basically played 424 and they stuffed us in midfield.
LVG fecked it up today and hopefully he learns but stop the doom and gloom and he in no way gets an easy ride the knifes are out after every two losses.
Blind was found out in his first real test, factoring playing the most immobile team possible, and again not enough depth at the back. We are seeing the results if we lose someone like shaw our back up is not really good enough. Not playing the likes of morgan, herrera, who are made for these types of games, VG picked the wrong team, the lack of depth at the back costs us big time yesterday