Much like the persistent Baines rumours all summer, I hope there is nothing in this. If he doesn't sign a new deal by the winter break though I will be concerned and unhappy.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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I think unfortunately it's gone on too long for there to be nothing in it. No idea what the problem is though.
If we wanted to replace him why would we leave it till the last moment of the window to sell him?
When we replace important players we sell first and then use that money to replace them. See Beckham, Ronaldo, etc.
Moura doesnt play on the left, so Hazard would be the only one that suggests someone who plays on the left would have been on their way and if you think its more likely to be Nani than Ashley Young you have a screw loose.
Hasnt gone on nearly as long as the Vidic talk and he's still here.
If we were going to sell one of them I would absolutely expect it to be Nani. I am not basing that on my own preference or assessments of their ability. But selling Young now would be too much of a U turn for Fergie, tantamount to an admission of failure. Whereas Nani has been here for some time, we have had some use out of him and could presumably sell him on for more than we paid for him.
TBF, Nani is worth a 130 k salary considering the going rate these days.
....but in Nani's case, another club have come out and said they have been in negotiation with Nani. Wasn't the case with the big fella.
Reading between the lines, Nani has probably said "if I'm going to freeze my nuts off for a club like St Pete's, I want paying for it". Must say, I'd much rather he stayed.
Who cares if we get more than what we bought him for? He's far more useful and influencial to us than Young has been so far.
You really think Sir Alex would rather have a far weaker team than admit a deal hasnt worked out?
Probably says more about the clubs who are trying to buy the players. The whole thing is for publicity for Zenit, Barcelona and Madrid dont need to come out and say we want Vidic and United have said hello to improve their visibility in world football.
Zenit need to do whatever they can to make the place seem like its worth coming to.
I do, as a matter of fact. But I dont think SAF would see it the way you describe it. Either way, if one of them is to leave within the next 12 months I expect it will be Nani.
I do get the feeling SAF has never really overly liked Nani. Maybe he annoys him too much, like he annoys people on here, and he'd prefer the reliability of Valencia and to a lesser extent Young, rather than the frustration Nani can sometimes provide on the pitch. feck knows.
tbh, don't think there was anything at all in the Vidic stuff. Load of media fantasy. Not saying there's never been an inquiry but.....
Regarding Zenit, I reckon there was something in it. Don't think they're that media savvy. I mean, look at Fiorentina's outburst: talk about embarassing - and all over a feckin plane ticket.
If that's the case feck knows how he managed to cope when Ronaldo was young. Obviously the rest speaks for itself with that lad, but maybe Fergie expected Nani to show the mad consistency levels or thereabouts that Ron showed during his time here, which would be unfair considering no player in recent times has shown to be close (minus Messi).
Funny thing is, I reckon most of us would take Nani over Young, but, off the top of my head, it wouldn't surprise me if Young had the better stats.
I think there is probably something in that.
I am just imagining you in a heated, drunken argument with SAF, him saying Nani "makes the wrong decisions", "doesnt have a good footballing brain" or "is too inconsistent", and you telling him he is a twat who knows nothing about football for saying so.
I honestly think Nani is a tad overated on here
until he adds consistency, I will chalk him up as someone who has the world at his feet but so far hasn't delivered consistently enough
The thing is with Nani, when he's on his game, he is a genuine threat, a game changer but when he's off his game he's worse than a pub footballer. He needs to start pushing those negative performances up to average level so that even on his worse day he's still contributing to the team.
until he adds consistency, I will chalk him up as someone who has the world at his feet but so far hasn't delivered consistently enough
The thing is with Nani, when he's on his game, he is a genuine threat, a game changer but when he's off his game he's worse than a pub footballer. He needs to start pushing those negative performances up to average level so that even on his worse day he's still contributing to the team.
If Sir Alex has never really liked Nani he'd have been on his bike already. Why would he wait till he's one of our most important players and needs a contract renewal in the short term future?
Sometimes the posts on here make out like the club is run by complete amateurs. A player the manager doesnt like becoming one of our most important members, selling one of our best players instead of admitting you got one wrong in the transfer market, etc. Its like I'm on a Brighton forum where there might actually be a reason to think incompetant people are handling the club's future.
Sometimes the posts on here make out like the club is run by complete amateurs. A player the manager doesnt like becoming one of our most important members, selling one of our best players instead of admitting you got one wrong in the transfer market, etc. Its like I'm on a Brighton forum where there might actually be a reason to think incompetant people are handling the club's future.
Young being the affirmative word though. Ronaldo was the worlds best player by the time he was 22 and SAF clearly just put up with his shit because it was worth it. Nani is 25/26 and he probably just doesn't see it in the same light with him. (despite him not being nearly as bad as Ronaldo)
Pretty much even last season I think.
Not quite. I just don't think he's SAF's type of player really, he's always liked no nonsense wingers who get the ball, beat their man and ping it in, like Valencia, who he seems to love. Nani just isn't that type of winger and maybe SAF doesn't want that in his team. Even at his very best, when he was basically unstoppable, I never got the feeling he was 'undroppable', because he constantly was even if he had a brilliant game before that.I would rather Nani than Young anyday. If needed, just sell Young and give Nani whatever he wants. He seems to be one of the very few Manchester United that constantly excels against the biggest clubs in Europe, ie Barcelona, Munich, etc
If Sir Alex loves Valencia and has never liked Nani, how do you explain Nani being given a run in the team at the expense of Valencia the season before last?
Perhaps its the projection of the posters on the forum rather than what Sir Alex himself thinks
Perhaps its the projection of the posters on the forum rather than what Sir Alex himself thinks
Who cares about stats, they are never conclusive. Any idiot can see that Nani is far better than Young, there's literally no debate to be had about it.
I agree with GB that he is overrated on here slightly, given his talent he should be more consistent. For example the £40million fee someone stated above is definitely overpriced, Fergie would bite their hand off if any club offered close to that. And rightly so, it would be a crazy offer.
Stats arent just goals and assists. They might be close in that way but in terms of number of touches and chances created it would be a huge surprise if Young matched Nani. Certainly didnt last season.
Moura and Hazard?
Valencia has been ahead of Nani far more than vice-versa as I recall. As you mentioned above, the only real time he was ahead of him when both were fully fit was when he 'broke through', and rightly so. I mean at times this season and last he hasn't even been able to get in ahead of Young.
Who knows? In my eyes Nani should be one of the first names on the teamsheet, certainly ahead of Young, whatever about Valencia, but that's never really been the case, don't you think that's a bit strange for a player most consider (until RVP came) to be the second best attacker we have?
I would never say - even think - there is anything at all amateurish about SAF or the people running the club. But different people have different priorities, criteria when making decisions. Clearly SAF's work for him, his achievements speak for themselves. There is always a disclaimer attached to every post - mine and most other peoples - that really shouldnt need be articulated but sometimes does, which is "SAF knows best and I defer to his judgement in all things but, in my inferior wisdom and without as much access to the facts as he has, it seems to me...." I think what Cina said before sounds about right. It may not make complete sense to a lot of people, wanting to be shot of one of your best players, but it has happened before and he has been vindicated.
The only thing I have any conviction about here is that SAF will not be offloading Young any time soon. I just dont see it.
And to the projection point, Ekeke, you could make that accusation against me and various others. But given you are also arguing with Cina, a card-carrying Nanophile, there is clearly a bit more to it than that.
This all comes across as a contract negotiating saga. Some of the stories published are just ridiculous and I'm sure once Nani get's going this season, within no time we will hear he signed a new deal.
Perhaps if you read previous posts you'd see most of us have acknowledged that, to a degree.
I would think Fergie might care about how many goals/assists a player produced. We all know it's not the whole picture but when a pattern develops over a period, I think the management might just respond. Then again, there are other issues, like refreshing the squad, getting value with incoming/outgoing players etc etc
Where have you said this? You've got four posts on this page and none of them mention it..
Young got two assists for barely touching the ball against Arsenal, stats can be misleading. If you just watch our games it's blatant that Nani is the better, more creative player.
What are you on about? Literally nobody in this thread in the last year has suggested Young is as good/better than Nani, the closest was KM who said there wasn't as big a gap as some people think, but still agreed Nani was the better of the two.
Well only two seasons ago he set a new league record for assists and last season despite most saying he wasn't at his best for most of it he was level with valencia for goals/assists, whom most say had a great season. So if he's looking at stats then Nani is amongst the best around.
I dunno this is all quite odd. I could understand if we needed to recoup money, although I hope that's not the case. But if Fergie doesn't rate him or something then I think it's odd. If we are trying to move to a more fluid attacking line then Nani is amongst the best players in the squad for that sort of style, already showing a good understanding with Kagawa in pre season. He's hard working on the pitch etc, flair players are never consistent game in game out but you keep them in because they can produce something out of nothing.
What do you think I'm on about? I'm saying it's clear Nani's better regardless of what their respective stats are.
Bit wierd you've catalogued everyones opinions on Nani and Young, you've clearly got too much time on your hands.
But nobody has disagreed with you so why the hell do you keep stating it?
When has it happened before with a player who hasnt said he wants to leave to fulfil his dream, has written a book with comments he was warned not to make or where a boot hasnt flown into a player's face?
You are taking very specific cases where something completely different has happened and generalising about it as if to say we could get rid of any of our best players at any time. Thats clearly not the case. If something happens and the manager falls out with Nani we'll hear about it before long like with the rest but we'll get details because in this day and age nothing stays quiet and the examples above came out too.
Thinking about it for 5 seconds: RVN.
Isnt that what is happening here? We are hearing about it, that's why we are all on here discussing it, trying to work out what it all means.
Mate, I am not really interested in debating this ad infinitum. You think Nani wont be sold, fine, I hope you are right. Ill tell you what, if we sell Young and keep Nani, I will expect a big, fat "I told you so" from you. Otherwise there isnt much more to say about it.
Wayne Rooney...
Nani is never as bad as an off form Wayne Rooney when off his game.
fair enough, I've just been surprised at Young's assists and goals, given that I, anyway, haven't otherwise been too impressed. I really like Nani but he does blow hot & cold (not unique) and although looks absolutely top drawer on his day, really needs some consistency now. The thought just occurred to me that maybe there wasn't as much diff between their effectiveness as some of us believe. As usual, one or two let their testosterone get the better of them.
Would surprise me very much because Young didn't have better stats. Young gets way more fouls. At the same time he's also garnished a reputation of being our biggest diver. Young's stats for England the last season were however excellent. And I'm talking passing and shooting stats as well as goals and assists.
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