I disagree. Nani may be the most stressful player I have ever watched when he's having a bad day. Rooney on a bad day is pretty bad, but he can still sometimes make something happen - ala that City goal.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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I disagree. Nani may be the most stressful player I have ever watched when he's having a bad day. Rooney on a bad day is pretty bad, but he can still sometimes make something happen - ala that City goal.
And the merrygoround starts again.
What the feck is a merryground?
The thread goes quiet for a few days, its gets bumped & the usual suspects start the same for a& against arguments all over again without anything concrete from the club.
What is important is what happens at the weekend. Does he play, what will his performance be like etc.
What is important is what happens at the weekend. Does he play, what will his performance be like etc.
well, like I said, I wasn't being definitive and didn't say he had better stats - just thought that getting a lot of fouls, penalties as well as goals and assists whilst being crap actually made a fair contribution. That's all. Not his biggest fan but not blinded to his contribution.
"garnered" was the word you were after, btw - "garnished" is parmesan on your spag.
Exactly the same can be said of Nani. It's very rare that Nani doesn't at least contribute something in amongst any frustration.
So the player who asked to leave twice in two seasons and then was very vocal about being left out of the cup final?
Sorry I dont remember hearing Nani's comments about being left out and starting to poison the dressing room.
Erm no, we're hearing media speculation not specific events that could factually indicate he's going to leave. We've heard Zenit mouthing out about him wanting too much money but its not beyond reasonable to think that this is Nani's agent finding out how much other clubs are willing to offer his client before having a stance with the club and asking for a certain amount.
Look again at what I said. The boot incident, reported right away. Stam's book, well if we were paying attention to the book we'd have known thered be some contention and then he was off. Ruud mouthing off after the cup final, alright we didnt know he'd asked to leave a couple of times until after. But look at what happened when we let him go... He went to Real Madrid, not fecking Zenit in Russia. If Nani has secretly been asking to leave ala Ruud you can bet he has something much better set up than being cast into the wilderness in a nothing league.
I dont know if Nani will be sold, but the reasons we might sell him from on here sound incredibly silly and if the club was run the way those ideas come across, we're in big trouble.
maybe idiots jumping to conclusions and you end up having to justify every syllable because you didn't allow for some Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime looking for something to quibble about and you end up going back to justify what you said because somebody has too much time on their hands and needs an argument to occupy themselves with and you get drawn into a silly argument that goes round and around. Goodnight.
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when they are both in the worst form, Rooneys touch may disappear but he still keeps trying and puts the effort in. I cant say the same for Nani at his worst
Yes I agree with this . An off form Nani is non existent in some games , in fact you would think he wasn't playing at all
When Nani is off form he usually still creates some of our best chances.
When Rooney is off form its a horrible sight to behold. I think this is reasonably explained through the difference in their positions though as its easier to get the ball into Nani's feet in a dangerous position than into Rooney's if his touch is off kilter. And its a bit easier to influence the match if you are getting more of the ball.
If Rooney was a winger I'd imagine his spells of poor form would have less impact
When Rooney is off form its a horrible sight to behold. I think this is reasonably explained through the difference in their positions though as its easier to get the ball into Nani's feet in a dangerous position than into Rooney's if his touch is off kilter. And its a bit easier to influence the match if you are getting more of the ball.
If Rooney was a winger I'd imagine his spells of poor form would have less impact
That, or a completely misspelt word. Well, three words actually.
Do you suppose Nani's being unsettled and Ronaldo's snit at Real Madrid are connected?
Maybe we could swap them?
You pack the lunches, I'll start the car. Where's Nani's house? I'll get on Google Maps too.
I'd argue that they are both very similar in what they contribute in poor form.
You're on!!
Didn't know garnish was only food related. Sounded like it would fit.
So 'garnered' and 'gathered' is pretty much the same word then?
Young has done what he was bought to do really. He isn't adding anything extra really to the team. He's there so we can play a different team without suffering in quality really. I haven't got a problem with him.
Nani is still one of our better players and we'd have a hard time replacing him. We should really keep a player of that quality and age at our club. He's only 25. What's the point of buying a young player for a big fee, mold him into a world class player and then sell him when he's about to hit his prime?
Sexist.
That's bollocks really. Nani always puts an effort in. It's really when he's the player doing the most without anything happening that he gets the most criticism. And usually the other players around him aren't performing either.
No player is consistent (apart from those 2, they don't count). "Yeah Nani's output is excellent, but he needs to have more average games..."
If we can get an excellent price for the second best right-winger at the club, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Nani is definitely a match-winner on his day, but he simply doesn't have the vision to become the player he could be.
Yes, because money in the bank is preferable to keeping one of our best players.
An inconsistent Nani is fecking better than Young who himself is pretty inconsistent.
Why is he our second best right winger instead of our best left winger?
It was a clever dig. If ever the caf pitchforks turn against Valencia, I'll label him our "3rd best left winger"
Denis' Cuff was obviously disagreeing ffs, the person I was responding to. It had feck all to do with you and you haven't even understood what's being discussed.
He places more emphasis on stats than I think is merited, that was the point. Whether Nani or Young was better isn't the main issue, they just happened to be the two players that were being talked about.
4th best, Kagawa is probably better than him there.
He wasn't though. He never said Young was as good as Nani and he never claimed stats were that important. He just asked a question about their comparable stats.You have anger issues.
feck off that was one time!
Most of the time when Rooney has a stinker he does nothing which is why it is a stinker! That's the beauty of being a striker, play crap for 90mins, score one goal that earns us something, and the poorness of performance itself is forgotten.
Nani should be given more chance as a wide forward like Henry was imo. Nani suffers from our inability to play anything other than 4-4-2 effectively. Which means because he can dribble he must be a winger, just like because Henry was fast he must be a winger too!
All we do is whinge about Nani's delivery, well let's give him a chance to do something else that better suits his talents in my view. Look at the difference it made to Henry's consistency when he was played in a position that better suited him. We would never have seen Henry the striker had it not been for Wenger's foresight. Let's hope SAF gives Nani a go in a position other than as a touchline winger in a 4-4-2 system before we give up on him.
I don't agree with Chief either but I made my original post re: Rooney to point out the problem with what you're saying. Rooney is just like Nani in that they both can suffer prolonged periods of brilliance and periods of being utterly, utterly wank; yet Rooney's not accused of being 'inconsistent' nearly as much as Nani. Just my observation.
feck off that was one time!
Most of the time when Rooney has a stinker he does nothing which is why it is a stinker! That's the beauty of being a striker, play crap for 90mins, score one goal that earns us something, and the poorness of performance itself is forgotten.
Nani should be given more chance as a wide forward like Henry was imo. Nani suffers from our inability to play anything other than 4-4-2 effectively. Which means because he can dribble he must be a winger, just like because Henry was fast he must be a winger too!
All we do is whinge about Nani's delivery, well let's give him a chance to do something else that better suits his talents in my view. Look at the difference it made to Henry's consistency when he was played in a position that better suited him. We would never have seen Henry the striker had it not been for Wenger's foresight. Let's hope SAF gives Nani a go in a position other than as a touchline winger in a 4-4-2 system before we give up on him.
I agree with you.
But there is absolutely no need to even talk about giving up on Nani.
He is one of the best wingers in the world for sure.Whats there to give up on?
The Caf really should run the conspiracy department over at the CIA - nobody could come up with the insane amount of gossip, not even 13 year old girls over who dated who, when it comes to transfer rumours at United.
Sure it is fun to discuss, but after a while, even I get bored doing so. The thing is, we have nothing to say, nor offer in this case. If Nani is sold, then he will be, and if he isn't, then, well, he'll stay.
I know I sound like a cynic, but in reality, Ferguson decides, and we shall be damn well bloody grateful that he does. When people go on about how he must be losing it and that he keeps on having a fall out with all of our best players. Well, some of those best players have an ego even greater than their footballing abilities, and thus Fergie seems it fit to let them go. Imo, that's a brave and good move that not all other managers dare pull off.
If Nani leaves it is because Fergie believes the club is better off without him. If he decides to keep him it is because of his footballing talent and the fact that he fits in with the rest of the team. No player can run a one man show - no one is that good.
The thing is, we keep speculating about whether Nani is a cock or not, but I doubt few of us know him? I rightly reserve my judgement on a player before I get to actually speak with them or I hear them speak free from any media interruption, which I hate to say tend to make stories rather than report them these days.
We might want Ferguson to silence all these transfer rumours and put them to rest once and for all. However, if he does that once, this time, he will be forced to do so every time - and then the media wins. He'll basically act their play.
Sure it is fun to discuss, but after a while, even I get bored doing so. The thing is, we have nothing to say, nor offer in this case. If Nani is sold, then he will be, and if he isn't, then, well, he'll stay.
I know I sound like a cynic, but in reality, Ferguson decides, and we shall be damn well bloody grateful that he does. When people go on about how he must be losing it and that he keeps on having a fall out with all of our best players. Well, some of those best players have an ego even greater than their footballing abilities, and thus Fergie seems it fit to let them go. Imo, that's a brave and good move that not all other managers dare pull off.
If Nani leaves it is because Fergie believes the club is better off without him. If he decides to keep him it is because of his footballing talent and the fact that he fits in with the rest of the team. No player can run a one man show - no one is that good.
The thing is, we keep speculating about whether Nani is a cock or not, but I doubt few of us know him? I rightly reserve my judgement on a player before I get to actually speak with them or I hear them speak free from any media interruption, which I hate to say tend to make stories rather than report them these days.
We might want Ferguson to silence all these transfer rumours and put them to rest once and for all. However, if he does that once, this time, he will be forced to do so every time - and then the media wins. He'll basically act their play.
You'll be waiting long after his career is over because Nani is never going to be Ronaldo and to think of him as such is just plain silly. They are different players.
What do you mean? They are both Portuguese, wingers, largely two footed and like doing step overs. Peas in a pod.
Except one is a black pea the other is white
We need him to stay.
Young/Valencia/Nani is the deadliest set of wingers in the world. And with Rooney/RVP/Welbeck/Chicharito, wow.
Don't feck this up.
Young/Valencia/Nani is the deadliest set of wingers in the world. And with Rooney/RVP/Welbeck/Chicharito, wow.
Don't feck this up.
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