Really?????
If you compare the two of them at the top of their game then Giggs is still miles ahead of Nani.
When Giggs was Nani's age he was twice the player Nani currently is.
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Really?????
If you compare the two of them at the top of their game then Giggs is still miles ahead of Nani.
When Giggs was Nani's age he was twice the player Nani currently is.
He wasn't that much better, Nani is still easily one of the best wingers in the league and on his day arguably the best in the world. So unless during Giggs's time there was a golden period for wingers and now we're in some dark times that's simply not true. Nani has done some impressive stuff for us such as 18 assists in the league in 1 season, a new record. Consistentcy is the issue for Nani but on his game he's as good as anyone in his position.
Except that is the case.
Really we're that bad now that the best of the 90's/ early 2000's are twice the players of the best of current times?
Giggs has a better attitude and brain than Nani. "He's twice the player" is bullshit though.
Sure although Nani is still very hard working and Giggs for all his brains can be frustrating with his choice of action and you just have to look at comments on him in here to see that. Still Giggs is one of the all time great professionals in English football so a pretty high standard to measure Nani against.
Who mentioned 'twice the players'
Figo, Ronaldinho, Stoichkov all come to mind as playing at the same time, all better than anyone around today other than Ronaldo. In fact other than Ronaldo who is a truly outstanding winger playing at this time?
Figo, Ronaldinho, Stoichkov all come to mind as playing at the same time, all better than anyone around today other than Ronaldo. In fact other than Ronaldo who is a truly outstanding winger playing at this time?
You're hardly putting Ronaldinho and Stoichkov down as wingers?
Well most of them played a bit further forward than Nani so you could compare them to the likes of Iniesta, Sniejder and Messi as well when he plays there. But yeah some of those are greats but just as Messi and Ronaldo are ahead of everyone else in the current times as they were then it doesn't mean the general quality was that much greater than today. If Giggs was twice the player then his actual product doesn't bare that out unless you're also saying when Giggs played the teams he played against were better.
Ryan Giggs is one of the best left sided attackers the game has seen.
Comparing Nani to him is both insulting to Giggsy and utterly ridiculous.
People forget how fecking brilliant Giggs was.
Comparing Nani to him is both insulting to Giggsy and utterly ridiculous.
People forget how fecking brilliant Giggs was.
I mentioned twice the player and I stick by it.
Nani (along with the majority of players) is not fit to lace Ryan Giggs boots.
I don't know if you guys were older enough to remember Giggs when he was Nani's age and younger. But let me tell you this, you can't compare them.
Ash_G mate, Giggs played the majority of his games as a traditional left winger in a 4-4-2 when he was younger.
We hadn't even touched the 4-3-3 that we use so often today.
Wingers back then had a responsibility to defend as much as attack.
We hadn't even touched the 4-3-3 that we use so often today.
Wingers back then had a responsibility to defend as much as attack.
Decent squad player
Why the
? He's third choice winger when all three are fit (Nani, Young & Valencia) Seems that anybody that dares to question Nani in this thread is either a nutjob or a clueless sheep following the mass of Nani haters.
For what it's worth I'd love him to prove me wrong and not just have a great game 'v' Liverpool but go on a great run of good games for us.
Some on here need to massively 'chill out' and wait until they are proven to be right (if and when)
Why the
Seems that anybody that dares to question Nani in this thread is either a nutjob or a clueless sheep following the mass of Nani haters.
For what it's worth I'd love him to prove me wrong and not just have a great game 'v' Liverpool but go on a great run of good games for us.
Some on here need to massively 'chill out' and wait until they are proven to be right (if and when)
Not sure what this is based on, firstly none of them ever seem to be fit at the same time and secondly rotation is a key part of our selection from game to game so there really is no third choice winger except in the minds of fans.
Based on when all three were recently fit. Anyhow, if he was as good as a player as some here proclaim he would be nailed on first choice every time...he's not is he??
Why the
Seems that anybody that dares to question Nani in this thread is either a nutjob or a clueless sheep following the mass of Nani haters.
For what it's worth I'd love him to prove me wrong and not just have a great game 'v' Liverpool but go on a great run of good games for us.
Some on here need to massively 'chill out' and wait until they are proven to be right (if and when)
he's really not. At worst you can see he's 2nd. On form, he's easily our best winger.
We don't use a 4-3-3, we use a 4-2-3-1 and Nani is good at tracking back.
You can compare them and it doesn't mean a thing. In fact I don't get the fascination with comparing players across eras with so many different variables not factored in. Just deal in the present, forget what Giggs was like. Nani is a wonderfully gifted player capable of the extraordinary and also capable of making himself look extra ordinary. Some people don't seem to agree on whether he's always been inconsistent in his years here. To my mind he had a great 18 month spell from the Hull game at home. He's not been brilliant since the turn of the year but injuries and rotation and perhaps contract issues have not helped him. I think he's getting back to his best and his Second Half against Galatasaray showed that for me. Just let the lad get on with and stop overanalysing everything he does on the pitch. This isn't aimed so much at you but at the last few pages in general.
Is anyone nailed on First Choice anywhere bar Vidic? Don't think you can use the Fulham game as evidence either.
Yh nani plays most of his games in a 442 a d we rately use 433, giggs also spent some games as a striker. In general both played/play in a 442.
Also that's crap about the defending aspect. Our wingers do plenty of tracking back, nani included. We don't play like a city where the likes of nasri don't have to do much as they have a number of midfielders who can cover for them. Ours do plenty of work and that doesn't even include the extra you could say they have to do due to the inability of the likes of scholes to hold their own in the middle. If you really want to argue it I would say FA harder for our wj gets now because more teams in the league play cautiously so as not to lose as opposed to the last where I think more teams would attack leaving more potential to counter.
Either way I'm not saying nani is as good as giggs and have acknowledged that giggs was better but he wasn't twice the player and to say he'a not fit to lace his boots is stupid. Like I said nani isn't a mug and on his day is as good as they come in his position, not as good as giggs sure but no where near as bad as half the player.
With the start that RVP has had, you can say he's nailed on first choice too.
And he didn't start against Wigan.
Maybe, my point was IF he was as world class as some say, and lots have been spoken in this thread about him being the best winger in the world...then he would be a nailed on first team selection.
Didn't he get a knock in the internationals?
SAF said he was fit at the Friday Presser, if fitness was a worry he wouldn't have come on at 3-0.
If SAF had everyone fit and on form and he picked his Strongest XI every game Nani would be in that XI, however there are too many 'if's' there.
I think he is if he's on form, if not whilst he's still good enough imo to play I can understand him not as our wide choices are perhaps our strongest area now after strikers with the addition of rvp. Up front with rvp Rooney and kagawa all are arguably world class particularly the former two but such is the strength of that area that Rooney for example could be left out if not playing well. Fabregas is world class yet doesn't always start for barca and some would say he'a not in the first 11.
Your opinion, I would say he would play safe and he go for Young and Valencia...this is my point though, if he's the best winger in the world then there would be no 'ifs'
He played more games than Valencia and Young last year. If we put a poll on here I am confident most would have Nani and Valencia on the flanks. Of course there would be 'if's' this is SAF we're talking about he only made concessions for Ronaldo. No one is undroppable in this squad.
Well last season he brought nani in against city even though he was just coming back from injury and dropped Valencia and young. I'm sure fergie gets frustrated with him but I'm sure he rates him highly to. I think if everyone was fit and on form he'd be straight in, off form there's enough competition to keep him out.
Do people actually think Valencia is better than Nani? Surely if you aren't his biggest fan you can see that Nani's contributions of goals and assists outweigh Valencia's? Valencia may be more consistent, but Nani on form is on a different level for me, and even when not at his best he is more like to pull a goal or an assist out of nothing than Valencia. I'd even go and say that Nani's crossing is as good, if not better than Valencia's too.
I'm sure fergie rates him very highly, he bought him. Nice to see more civil debate than normal in this thread.
Valencia is more consistent though.
I did say that.
I'd have Valencia in my team before Nani every time.
My bad. They compliment each other well IMO, the unpredictability of Nani on one side and the methodical nature of Valencia on the other. Young and Valencia is just way to predictable if slightly stronger defensively.
I don't think you can say that, go back to October last year and no one would say that on here. You can say that more often than not you'd go with Valencia as he's consistent but fit and on form Nani would sway you. Ideally you'd have Nani on the Left and Valenica in the right, think Bayern at home in 2010.
When a player is as good as Nani, you have to take the good with the bad.
Just like many other players:
Ronaldo shoots too much
Rooney's first touch is shit when off form
Vidic has trouble with speedy attackers
Valencia only uses one foot
Maradona only used one foot
Henry hardly ever scored headers
Carrick is too relaxed at times
Messi.........is short
Yes Nani is frustrating but devastatingly effective. He can do things on the pitch that only a few can do. His dribbling is insane. Do you Nani haters even watch our games? The guy is a wizard out there with a rocket of a shot, great pace, great stamina, strong, and probably the fastest lateral movement with the ball I've seen. Oh, and he is confident out there. Top teams need a player who isn't afraid to take responsibility and make things happen. Dare I say this United team lacks this.
Just like many other players:
Ronaldo shoots too much
Rooney's first touch is shit when off form
Vidic has trouble with speedy attackers
Valencia only uses one foot
Maradona only used one foot
Henry hardly ever scored headers
Carrick is too relaxed at times
Messi.........is short
Yes Nani is frustrating but devastatingly effective. He can do things on the pitch that only a few can do. His dribbling is insane. Do you Nani haters even watch our games? The guy is a wizard out there with a rocket of a shot, great pace, great stamina, strong, and probably the fastest lateral movement with the ball I've seen. Oh, and he is confident out there. Top teams need a player who isn't afraid to take responsibility and make things happen. Dare I say this United team lacks this.
This old bollocks...I go to every game and a lot of my mates who also go to most games agree with me that he is very disappointing as a player.
Disappointing? Another word would have been more convincing.
I've give you frustrating but I don't think he's a disappointing player at all. He has scored and assisted loads of goals for us and against some quality teams.
You must know better than everyone then. Well done.
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