Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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Cevno said:
Here's a post from the 2010/11 season when Nani was doing superbly on another forum -



Explains the difference pretty well.

Nani has more significant upside easily too and more unpredictability but then he needs to make use of it and up his game consistently. For 2010/11 he was a regular for us when he was performing superbly and was probably the best winger in the league, but then he got injured against Liverpool and came back blowing hot and cold. And when he does that he gets frustrated and doesn't give as much discipline either.

Nani by now should have grabbed his opportunities by the scruff of the neck and advanced that conversation, but he hasn't. Then he would have had all the top clubs after him and us desperate to keep him with him cemented in the first team, but it's still excuses excuses excuses.... like with Ando but to a lesser extent.
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Thought it was a car crash of a post personally. And V-1000.... what the flying feck?

And the bit about forging partnerships, well, I'd say Nani makes Evra better than Young or Giggs do and Rafael better than Valencia does.
 
Top said:
He specifically asked for it himself, so I'd hope not.
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Perhaps he put too much pressure on himself?


As for those complaining that Nani has not been picked for lesser players, he has been injured for a while, lets see what happens in the run-in before we go too overboard.
 
kouroux said:
Come Nani, wise up now !
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Again, how should he wise up?

Is it wise signing a new contract with a club where he won't get regular playing time and won't be relied on in the big matches?

Or is it wise moving to another club where he'll feature in almost every game in his favorite position and be considered a star and perhaps even appreciated by the fans?
 
Nani tapped the badge when he scored the other night, that's usually a good sign.
 
Top said:
Again, how should he wise up?

Is it wise signing a new contract with a club where he won't get regular playing time and won't be relied on in the big matches?

Or is it wise moving to another club where he'll feature in almost every game on his favorite position and be considered a star and perhaps even appreciated by the fans?
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Even as a United fan I'd say the wise move for Nani would be to join a club like Juve that'll treat him as a star man, just like his country does. He performs much better too when trusted.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Nani tapped the badge when he scored the other night, that's usually a good sign.
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Pretty sure that was coincidental. If he wanted to make a gesture then he'd have made it more obvious. This just looked like a macho, hit the chest, thing.
 
I'd expect Nani to start tomorrow - and I expect him to perform. It is the perfect time for him to stake a claim in the starting XI.
 
Top said:
Again, how should he wise up?

Is it wise signing a new contract with a club where he won't get regular playing time and won't be relied on in the big matches?

Or is it wise moving to another club where he'll feature in almost every game in his favorite position and be considered a star and perhaps even appreciated by the fans?
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Wise up for our own benefit, I'm looking at things from the club's perspective there.If he wants to leave then good luck to him.I didn't mean it like he's been an asshole or anything like that
 
Let's see which big club wants him and gives him wages more than 120k which we are offering and also a regular starting spot which some are assuming.

Nobody except for Zenit bid last time.
 
Cevno said:
Let's see which big club wants him and gives him wages more than 120k/130k and also a regular starting spot which some are assuming.
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Looks to me like a starting spot on the right is his biggest concern. I'm pretty sure he'd lower any wage demands if a big club like Juve were to come in for him.

And please stop talking about the Zenit thing like you're ITK.
 
Cevno said:
Here's a post from the 2010/11 season when Nani was doing superbly on another forum -



Explains the difference pretty well.

Nani has more significant upside easily too and more unpredictability but then he needs to make use of it and up his game consistently. For 2010/11 he was a regular for us when he was performing superbly and was probably the best winger in the league, but then he got injured against Liverpool and came back blowing hot and cold. And when he does that he gets frustrated and doesn't give as much discipline either.

Nani by now should have grabbed his opportunities by the scruff of the neck and advanced that conversation, but he hasn't. Then he would have had all the top clubs after him and us desperate to keep him with him cemented in the first team, but it's still excuses excuses excuses.... like with Ando but to a lesser extent.
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That's a pretty rubbish post to be honest.
 
I'm always right said:
Looks to me like a starting spot on the right is his biggest concern. I'm pretty sure he'd lower any wage demands if a big club like Juve were to come in for him.

And please stop talking about the Zenit thing like you're ITK.
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Huh ? Their director was quoted on 2 occasions talking about it and it was heavily reported.

And reportedly we were offering him 120k from the 90k he is currently on and he was asking for more and that is why his agent was talking to gill for weeks.

Juve won't pay him 120k let alone more. Also there he would be competing with Giovinco/Vucinic unless they change their system. Also Isla when they go defensive.

Juventus didn't sign Llorente, btw because they didn't want to pay the transfer fee so they will probably want him to run down his contract as well.
 
People keep posting things from other forums and they're all shit.

Nani doesn't forge anything with anyone? As if he hasn't linked up with Evra, Kagawa, Cleverley, Anderson and co?

The V-1000 bit made me die on the inside. Oh well, can't wait to see Fletcher "suddenly come back to life" when Valencia gets back in the team.
 
It is from 2010/11 as i said above. Certainly captures difference between the 2 at that point.

I guess on the caf memories can be short and Valencia has regressed this season for some reason. People are now claiming Nani has been in very good form this season even on the back of 2 appearances after returning from injury. When the fact is he was equally bad as Valencia or Young earlier in the season.

Hopefully, he can mantain that form and i'll be very surprised and certainly dissapointed if he doesn't play against QPR now, but let's not make it sound that he was in very good form throughout the season and benched for no apparent reason.

That's what SAF is getting at. If he continues to perform like this he'll be in the team. If Valencia performs he'll be in the team. Otherwise both will be in rotation and for major games probably both on the bench.
 
Cina said:
Erm, yes they did.
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Read the rest of the post.

They didn't sign him in the summer and waited for him to run down the last year of his contract and signed a agreement in January to sign in June.
 
Nobody has said Nani has been in great form this season, at all. All they've said is that despite playing far less than Valencia or Young, he has been better than them and offered more when he has played, which is true. It doesn't mean people think he has been excellent, he clearly hasn't.

(Well aybe 1 person has, I'm not trawling through the thread to check, but about 99% of people haven't)
 
Steven Seagull said:
People keep posting things from other forums and they're all shit.

Nani doesn't forge anything with anyone? As if he hasn't linked up with Evra, Kagawa, Cleverley, Anderson and co?

The V-1000 bit made me die on the inside. Oh well, can't wait to see Fletcher "suddenly come back to life" when Valencia gets back in the team.
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Where's that Charity Shield goal again?
 
Top, you have a point. I just want the lad to stay. I think we would really benefit from a player who has yet to hit his peak. I hope he performs well tomorrow and establishes himself in the side.

Plus it'd be nice for fans to remember what an in-form Nani looks like
 
You don't even need to go back to the Charity Shield match, his goal in the CC against Chelsea, for example.
 
Cina said:
Nobody has said Nani has been in great form this season, at all. All they've said is that despite playing far less than Valencia or Young, he has been better than them and offered more when he has played, which is true. It doesn't mean people think he has been excellent, he clearly hasn't.
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Nani offers more than Valencia when he plays even when he's out of form and Valencia is in form.
 
Cina said:
You don't even need to go back to the Charity Shield match, his goal in the CC against Chelsea, for example.
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I know but it's such a beautiful goal, I want to see it again. It has to be one of the best team goals I have ever seen us score.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Nani offers more than Valencia when he plays even when he's out of form and Valencia is in form.
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Nah, that's just not true and builds Nani up to more than he is. Comments like this are why people have the opinion that Nani gets way overhyped on this forum by his fans.
 
Cina said:
Nah, that's just not true and builds Nani up to more than he is. Comments like this are why people have the opinion that Nani gets way overhyped on this forum by his fans.
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I disagree, Valencia does one thing; run at his defender and cross the ball. Nani can cut inside and shoot, as well as being capable of crossing from the by-line or edge of the area. There's more variation to Nani's game, hence why he offers more.
 
Cina said:
Nah, that's just not true and builds Nani up to more than he is. Comments like this are why people have the opinion that Nani gets way overhyped on this forum by his fans.
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Yeah, a bit surprising to read that sort of opinions, after getting used to, in some periods, consistently seeing Valencia almost unanimously described as "our best winger".

Nani's peak form is probably better than Valencia's, but that thing you quoted is taking it to absurd extremes.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I disagree, Valencia does one thing; run at his defender and cross the ball. Nani can cut inside and shoot, as well as being capable of crossing from the by-line or edge of the area. There's more variation to Nani's game, hence why he offers more.
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I think this is a case of you forgetting how good Valencia used to be and overreacting to Nani's performance against Reading, tbh.

Valencia was the heartbeat of our attack in the latter end of last season, pretty much everything went through him. If he only offered 'one thing' then we must have been horribly one dimensional.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I disagree, Valencia does one thing; run at his defender and cross the ball. Nani can cut inside and shoot, as well as being capable of crossing from the by-line or edge of the area. There's more variation to Nani's game, hence why he offers more.
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And how many goals and points have you accomplished throughout these years by Valencia running at his defender and crossing the ball? You're making it look like a useless set of abilities.
 
Cina said:
I think this is a case of you forgetting how good Valencia used to be and overreacting to Nani's performance against Reading, tbh.

Valencia was the heartbeat of our attack in the latter end of last season, pretty much everything went through him. If he only offered 'one thing' then we must have been horribly one dimensional.
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I don't even remember Nani's performance against Reading, I believe I fell asleep through most of the match, I woke up in time to see him score and us see out the game.

Seriously, Valencia is and always has been a one trick pony, the thing is he's a very good one trick pony. I haven't forgotten how good Valencia used to be, I just don't rate him anywhere near Nani as he is far too one footed and he lacks ideas when he can't use his right foot to cross it in.
 
Valencia is a one dimensional player to an extent, but when on form he uses that dimension so fecking well that he's absolutely brilliant, and there have been plenty of times where he has offered a lot more to the team than Nani.

Nani certainly has more of an all round game but that doesn't really matter if you're not actually making the most of it.
 
Arruda said:
And how many goals and points have you accomplished throughout these years by Valencia running at his defender and crossing the ball? You're making it look like a useless set of abilities.
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing, Valencia is the best at what he does in the league and probably the world when he's on form. I just expect more from the modern player.
 
Cina said:
Nobody has said Nani has been in great form this season, at all. All they've said is that despite playing far less than Valencia or Young, he has been better than them and offered more when he has played, which is true. It doesn't mean people think he has been excellent, he clearly hasn't.

(Well aybe 1 person has, I'm not trawling through the thread to check, but about 99% of people haven't)
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That's pretty debateable tbh. He has had atleast 3 costly poor matches defensively in big games. Tottenham at home, Liverpool away and Carling cup. And his assist and goals stats aren't much better too or his chances created stats before the last 2 games.

Also he has been injured. Otherwise he has played as much as Young when he's been fit and slightly less than Valencia who's had atleast 3/4 appearances at RB.

It's been Welbeck who's had lot of game time on the left and then Kagawa has played there too.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, Valencia is the best at what he does in the league and probably the world when he's on form. I just expect more from the modern player.
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Yet an underperforming Nani offers more than Valencia on form, whom you regard as possibly the best on the world at doing something very useful in the football pitch.

That doesn't compute.

I understand your point, but your hyperbolising it too much.
 
Cevno said:
That's pretty debateable tbh. He has had atleast 3 costly poor matches defensively in big games. Tottenham at home, Liverpool away and Carling cup. Especially defensively and his assist and goals stats aren't much better too or his chances created stats.

Also he has been injured. Otherwise he has played as much as Young when he's been fit and slightly less than Valencia who's had atleast 3/4 appearances at RB.

It's been Welbeck who's had lot of game time on the left and then Kagawa has played there too.
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it's not really debatable though, you constantly bring these "brainfarts" up, and I mean constantly, I reckon they're endlessly floating around in your head making shitting sounds, and that's why it frustrates you so much. Valencia has been really defensively suspect at times this season too, and Nani has provided more goals and assists despite playing less, ergo he has been the more effective player, and surely the injuries are a case for that as opposed to your logic of against it, seeing as he's managed to provide more than Valencia/Young despite being injured half the time!
 
That'sHernandez said:
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, Valencia is the best at what he does in the league and probably the world when he's on form. I just expect more from the modern player.
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Arruda said:
Yet an underperforming Nani offers more than Valencia on form, whom you regard as possibly the best on the world at doing something very useful in the football pitch.

That doesn't compute.
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It computes because I expect players to be able to do something completely unpredictable to change the game. Valencia doesn't really offer that in the same way Nani does, which is why I prefer Nani to Valencia. I get more excitement from watching Nani play than I do Valencia.
 
That'sHernandez said:
It computes because I expect players to be able to do something completely unpredictable to change the game. Valencia doesn't really offer that in the same way Nani does, which is why I prefer Nani to Valencia. I get more excitement from watching Nani play than I do Valencia.
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So when you said "offers more", you were talking about your excitement levels, as opposed to contributing to results?
 
That'sHernandez said:
It computes because I expect players to be able to do something completely unpredictable to change the game. Valencia doesn't really offer that in the same way Nani does, which is why I prefer Nani to Valencia. I get more excitement from watching Nani play than I do Valencia.
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You getting more excitement watching Nani play doesn't mean he's a more effective player off form than Valencia is. It's just a weird thing to say. I mean, what good player who is off form is actually better than a good player who is on form?
 
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