Zidane and Bramble.
At the risk of getting bogged down in the definition of "good player".
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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Zidane and Bramble.
At the risk of getting bogged down in the definition of "good player".
You know what I mean you sly dog!
Since August 2009 Nani has made more assists than any other premier league player
What an inconsistent bastard!
Well, it's the same debate over and over so the point has to be made.
And how has Nani provided more goals and assists before these 2 games ? He's had 1 CC goal and 1 FA cup goal before the last game.
The CC game and the Spurs game is really nitpicking, I mean there's glaring defensive errors in both incidents from other players in there and a massive phase of play before the penalty.
He scored against Spurs afaik?
He has had more overall assists than Young or Valencia this season, you can't just say "up until this point", feck sake.
No, I was talking contributing to results. Nani is harder to mark than Valencia because of his unpredictability
The same Valencia who made a mockery of most PL fullbacks in the latter end of 10/11 and last season, including Ashley Cole, numerous times!
He is not going to be here come next season. I hope we send him off with another PL medal and the FA cup. His good form may also help us retrieve the maximum from his sale this summer. I like him but his overall contributions leaves much to be desired.
I have already accepted the fact that he is never going to reach the level I initially thought he would.
I have already accepted the fact that he is never going to reach the level I initially thought he would.
Oh well. I disagree. It seems to me you consider variation and effectiveness to be the same thing. Nani is better - always better - because he is more varied, more unpredictable etc. Whereas being varied doesnt necessarily make you more effective. Sometimes people know what you are going to do but they cant stop you from doing it. Sometimes, on the other hand, nobody has a clue what you are going to do, but it doesnt matter that much because whatever it is you decide to do, nothing comes of it.
Both extreme examples, but characterise Valencia and Nani at their best and worst, respectively.
Yep, he and van Persie are the only ones with 30+ in that period and we have 5 of the top 10. Not sure it tells you all that much though because the likes of Silva, Mata, Fábregas and Drogba would have more assists if they were there for all 4 seasons and the rest of them are just the main attacking players for teams finishing in the top 5 over that time.
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[COLOR="Red"]Nani[/COLOR] - 32
[COLOR="red"]van Persie[/COLOR] - 30
Drogba - 29
[COLOR="red"]Young[/COLOR] - 27
Walcott - 27
Silva - 27
[COLOR="red"]Valencia[/COLOR] - 26
[COLOR="red"]Rooney[/COLOR] - 25
Lennon - 25
Fábregas - 24
Baines - 24
Milner - 24
[COLOR="red"]Giggs[/COLOR] - 23
Gerrard - 23
Mata - 22
Tevez - 22
Lampard - 21Yeah, Valencia had 5 assists and Nani 2 goals 1 assist before the last game. I meant to Say 1 Pl goal there.
Young is the one who has 1 assist.
And i said upto this point because i would agree with you if he doesn't start now that he has peformed. But before this all of them were equal this season for mine.
But in that discussion you fail to recognise that Nani has hardly played this season - which pretty much makes him level with some of the aforementioned players. Interesting that Bale isn't on that list, but Milner, Lennon and Giggs are!
You have absolutely no way of knowing that.
Given Fergie is very keen on keeping Nani, it's very likely we have turned down offers.
I doubt this is the case, as pointed out he asked for the number 7 shirt. I think it's more likely that he is just going through a lengthy bad patch of form and due to his limited technical ability when he's in bad form he looks like a lower league player - strong and trying hard but with zero quality.
Definitely. If we had Giggs and Ronaldo in their prime here I'd be the first person on here saying he should bide his time and take his chances whenever they arise. However Rooney for example has been pretty poor since Christmas, whilst RVP and Hernandez have been quality, it's unlikely he will have to "earn" his starts and rightly so, he's the better player (than Hernandez).
If we are relying on reports it was also stated that Nani didn't return any calls and deliberately priced himself out of the move because he didn't want to play in Russia.
Also reports suggest he wants £130k a week and that we have "only" offered him an extension on his £90k deal, not an increase.
It's annoying people still quoting the Carling Cup as an example of a poor match. He was one of the best players on the pitch and kept us in the tie with his goal. He then lost the ball deep into Chelsea's half, after which several other mistakes lead to their goal. hanging him out to dry for that would mean every goal we concede would have 5-6 people being ostracised.
Well, then nobody else bid the expected 20 million + for him ? Because we did allow them to speak with him.
And i can only go on what's reported. You could be right though and As i said let's see what big clubs want to give him a regular starting spot and big wages along with paying us a fee.
He is our most talented winger, and with the biggest potential easily and probably the best in attack too but some of our fans do overrate him a bit in terms of totality of performance. Well that's my opinion at least.
Hopefully he ends the season in his 2010/11 form, btw and carries on. That'll be the best for all parties concerned.
Bale shoots a lot. And when he does cross (and he does put in some fantastic delivery) the strikers seem to miss glaring opportunities. Weird.
He is 26 years old. I think it's time that word is dropped when describing him.
Bale has only had two full seasons as a first teamer.
I think the people who don't rate him often forget that.
Nor do I think that those stars are accurate either. I checked Bale's stats using two different sources. One said he had 24 assists in that time, the other 26.
That's true actually, if you look at all those with 25 assists or more he's played just a little more than Drogba, Silva and Valencia. They've all played 30+ games more than the likes of Mata and Fábregas.
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Rooney - 112
Young - 111
Walcott - 108
Lennon - 106
van Persie - 105
Nani - 95
Drogba - 92
Silva - 91
Valencia - 89
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Mata - 58
Fábregas - 52Young had 2 pretty good seasons before joining us at Villa and with poorer strikers as well.
I reckon a majority of Young's assists for Villa would have been from set pieces rather than from open play
He also took every set piece.
Yeah, must be taking them well because his set piece taking ability for us hasn't been that great particularly from corners. RVP and Rooney improving has resulted in us scoring more goals from set pieces this season. Especially in terms of corners we are scoring more than any other team in the league in terms of overall percentage of goals IIRC.
Big question here guys, and I dont know the answer so im not asking it in a rhetorical sense, but surely if Nani is all this as you claim, then why isn't SAF playing him even when fit?
There must be reasons, and they must at least originally have been performance related surely?
He in the end is the person most fitted to judge Nani, and all an outsider can gather is that there is obviously some reason to do with his play that SAF is not starting or even benching him. It cant be all to do with contract negotiations.
There must be reasons, and they must at least originally have been performance related surely?
He in the end is the person most fitted to judge Nani, and all an outsider can gather is that there is obviously some reason to do with his play that SAF is not starting or even benching him. It cant be all to do with contract negotiations.
Well it started with the City game last year I believe, where he played really badly after being picked ahead of Young and Valencia by SAF and was consequently dropped for the remainder of the season. He also started this season as our first choice winger but again, poor performances coupled with recurring injuries meant he couldn't cement a place in the team again. Since his return? I'm not sure, for me there's no logical reason for him not starting games, and that's not just because I rate him so highly, it's because Valencia been absolute shite and anything would be an improvement on him.
I think the more his contract winds down, the less tolerant SAF is getting of poor performances from him.
I think it's a combination of the fact that Nani sometimes can't be trusted to perform in the big matches, and when he's off his game he doesn't work hard enough to compensate having a poor game offensively like Young or Valencia tend to do, as well as there being some reluctancy on his part to commit or settle down in Manchester for good.
Didn't he punch Petrucci?
It's great that Cevno came in with that post from another fecking forum thinking it was the dog's bollocks when actually, it was a massively load of garbage that contained "that's why we called him V-1000" (shudders).... I mean seriously, if you wanna bring shit in from other forums, do it from one where everyone isn't 12 years old and refers to footballers as fecking Terminator robots.
Hence why I asked him to stop talking about it like he's ITK. It hasn't stopped him though.
None of of having the first clue to be fair.
It was bizarre to use such an awful post alright. This is pretty much the only United forum I read and post on. I don't think that any other forum comes remotely close.
Even though he seems like a decent poster(haven't followed him too much tbf), Cevno's post about Nani's defensive brainfarts are ridiculous, I think he used that same argument at least 20 times in last month or so.
Not 20 times, tbf. Maybe 3/4 times but it is a valid argument.
Anyway, i probably need to stop having the same debate over and over again with Big Nani fans but can't help it sometimes when i read some of the things being said in this thread. Carry on Dissing SAF and Valencia/Young/Welbeck.
Anyway, i probably need to stop having the same debate over and over again with Big Nani fans but can't help it sometimes when i read some of the things being said in this thread. Carry on Dissing SAF and Valencia/Young/Welbeck.
Seems so.
Not bad tbf -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britten_V1000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_V-1000
Not bad tbf -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britten_V1000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_V-1000
Great tag-line
How so?
You can work hard on the ball and going forward. If "working hard" is code for tracking back and defending then sometimes RVP is a lazy striker. It doesnt work that way at all.
Nani has clearly produced more
I don't really see the point in keeping Nani if we intend to keep having Valencia as our main right winger which then forces Nani over to the left. However, if he's going to be given a good chance at staking a claim as our #1 right winger then I think both him and the team would be the winners there.
While he's had the occasional awesome match on the left, he's always been far more consistent when on the right. It's no coincidence that the only time since he's joined us that he's actually got a good run of games on the right, he ended up winning our player of the season and most posters on here agreed he should've got the premier league player of the season. Fergie has said a couple of times Nani prefers the right, and IMO he really should be given the opportunity to be first choice there. Yes, it means Valencia drops out of the team when he is better than our other wingers (when on form obviously, this season not so much), but this rubbish of moving Nani onto his lesser side and then attacking him because he's not consistent has to end. If given a chance on the right and he gets back to the form he showed the other season, having him on the right with somebody else on the left is better than having Valencia on the right and Nani on the left.
Which side does Zaha mostly play on? I do hope he can take the left role with Nani on the right.
While he's had the occasional awesome match on the left, he's always been far more consistent when on the right. It's no coincidence that the only time since he's joined us that he's actually got a good run of games on the right, he ended up winning our player of the season and most posters on here agreed he should've got the premier league player of the season. Fergie has said a couple of times Nani prefers the right, and IMO he really should be given the opportunity to be first choice there. Yes, it means Valencia drops out of the team when he is better than our other wingers (when on form obviously, this season not so much), but this rubbish of moving Nani onto his lesser side and then attacking him because he's not consistent has to end. If given a chance on the right and he gets back to the form he showed the other season, having him on the right with somebody else on the left is better than having Valencia on the right and Nani on the left.
Which side does Zaha mostly play on? I do hope he can take the left role with Nani on the right.
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