That's a pretty idiotic way of looking at it if I do say so myself.
Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid
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That's a pretty idiotic way of looking at it if I do say so myself.
Eh no, we signed him 6 years ago.
We've had 6 years and a very successful spell with him.
Worth every penny.
A bargain isn't judged on resale value. I got a bargain on my shoes but I'd doubt I'd get much for them now. It's a matter of whether you've got value for your money.
I'm not saying that he hasn't been worth it, he has been. What I'm saying is that he's not worth anymore than £17m. Surely if a player is a bargain, then they're worth more than whatever they were signed for? A bargain isn't about how successful they've been over a longer period of time for you. It isn't about that at all. People are getting the idea that he's been worth his price confused with him being a bargain.
So in hindsight, you would not pay more than the 17mil we actually paid for him?
Now? Not much more. He's not really worth anything more than £17m looking at him now. That's not a bad thing, but I don't think he is and if he is it would only be by a couple of million.
A bargain is about value for money. A player who has contributed as much as Carrick has is worth more than £17m in today's transfer market. Therefore he was a bargain. I don't understand your argument about being successful over a period of time. That is factored into the cost. That's why we had add ons etc. This isn't a show presented by David Dickinson. It's not about making a profit on something you've bought.
Again, you're getting confused here. A player being value for money makes them value for money; not a bargain. A bargain is when they exceed being value for money and play beyond their price tag and what was originally expected of them. Carrick is a good player, a very good one, but my point stands. He's not been so good to be a bargain.
Players like Carrick aren't the value-for-money problem it's the Gibsons or Kuszcsaks hoovering up big wages and contributing little or nothing.
Yes, he has. Carrick has been brilliant for us and was a snip at £17m.
So you're saying that knowing all he has contributed in his time here you still would not have paid more than 17mil for him? You're Sir Alex in 2006 with the ability to see in to the future and Spurs want more than 17mil for him, you would say no?
Carrick has been worth every penny.
Sincerely doubt that. Gibson can't have been on much, coming through the ranks.
Sub keepers often pick up a wedge for doing very little, but I doubt PIG was on anything significant.
Yes, he has been, and I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that he he hasn't been worth a lot more than that. For him to have been a bargain, he'd have to be worth £25m+ at least, and that's not the case. Anyone who's not ridiculously biased should be able to see that.
Luka Modric to join Man Utd
LUKA MODRIC is on his way to Manchester United.
Boss Alex Ferguson has offered Tottenham a £25million fee, rising to £30m based on appearances and success.
Modric, 26, will be handed a four-year deal worth £26m.
His wages of £125,000 a week will put him among the big earners at Old Trafford.
Modric has kept up to date with talks while at Euro 2012 with Croatia and will seal the move on his return.
Spurs held off interest from Chelsea to hold on to the midfielder last year.
The Croatian said he had no intention of quitting Spurs having signed a six-year deal in May 2010.
United boss Fergie signed Japanese star Shinji Kagawa this week and wants Newcastle’s Cheick Tiote and Everton left-back Leighton Baines — but refuses to match the £20m valuations on each.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-join-Man-Utd-in-25m-deal-from-Tottenham.html
(By Fergie's best mate, Neil Custis, in tomorrow's Sun)
LUKA MODRIC is on his way to Manchester United.
Boss Alex Ferguson has offered Tottenham a £25million fee, rising to £30m based on appearances and success.
Modric, 26, will be handed a four-year deal worth £26m.
His wages of £125,000 a week will put him among the big earners at Old Trafford.
Modric has kept up to date with talks while at Euro 2012 with Croatia and will seal the move on his return.
Spurs held off interest from Chelsea to hold on to the midfielder last year.
The Croatian said he had no intention of quitting Spurs having signed a six-year deal in May 2010.
United boss Fergie signed Japanese star Shinji Kagawa this week and wants Newcastle’s Cheick Tiote and Everton left-back Leighton Baines — but refuses to match the £20m valuations on each.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-join-Man-Utd-in-25m-deal-from-Tottenham.html
(By Fergie's best mate, Neil Custis, in tomorrow's Sun)
Not really. Would you pay £30m for him if you had the chance to sign someone much better for a similar price to that? It's not a slight on Carrick as he's a good player and I'm a fan of his, but he's not worth what some people are suggesting.
He has been worth more than we payed for him though. Look at the quality we got from him and look at what a lot of clubs have from players who cost more. I'd say Carrick has achieved beyond what was expected of him. You've applied a ludicrous way of determining what is a bargain and accused others of failing to understand. If you get 6 years of quality out of a product and were able to sell it for even close to what you paid then you have most definitely got a bargain.
They were both on £40K that's why you couldn't get rid of the buggers.
It's about the end product. £18m for a key player in 4 league titles and a Champions League is a bargain. I'd happily pay it again and more for repeated success.
Coming from the same geniuses that had the Sanchezster as headline.
How has he been much better than we expected him to be? He's been a very good player for us, but if he'd been below how he's played for us then he would've been a disappointment. If he was some sort of world class player, I could understand, but he's merely a very good central midfielder; not some sort of world beater on par with the likes of Xavi and Iniesta. If you can get a price close to what you signed a player for when they're in their prime, then that's simply value for money, not a bargain, like some people strangely seem to believe.
30m might be a little excessive, but what superior players would we have gotten at the time? With everything we have accomplished since Carrick has arrived I definitely would not have a problem paying 25m for him, even 30m would be justifiable, I certainly wouldn't consider him a flop if we had paid that price.
I think it's way too excessive to be honest. £30m is slightly ridiculous for him. I'm a fan of his and he's a good player, but if this was another player signing a player of his calibre for that, then what would you think? We'd laugh at them.
Mikel Arteta is an example. As a footballer, he's on a similar level to Carrick, with Carrick debatably being slightly better. If Arsenal had paid £30m for Arteta, we'd have laughed at them beyond belief and mocked them for it.
Mikel Arteta is an example. As a footballer, he's on a similar level to Carrick, with Carrick debatably being slightly better. If Arsenal had paid £30m for Arteta, we'd have laughed at them beyond belief and mocked them for it.
If I pay £100 for a product and get 6 years out of it and was able to sell it on for £50. I've basically paid £50 for six very good years for minimal outlay. I'd call that a fecking good bargain. You see bargains a different way where you have to get your money back or make profit. There's little else to discuss.
On topic I'd be fecking delighted if we signed Modric.
And insisted Sneijder was joining us last summer, and even said "just like we told you".
Well thank feck they're gone!
I might as well call it quits with you here. We just have completely different ideas of what a bargain is and we aren't going to agree at all.
If they'd won as much as we had I doubt there'd be many laughing.
Carrick cost the same for us as Modric cost for Spurs
Custis is a known shite-talker, but this one has legs.
£25m rising to £30m would be an excellent deal.
We do seem to like those 'based on appearances and success' clauses.
Thankfully we usually end up paying them too.
£25m rising to £30m would be an excellent deal.
We do seem to like those 'based on appearances and success' clauses.
Thankfully we usually end up paying them too.
Look you've done fantastically well by buying the best of British/Irish at top whack going back to Roy Keane. £30M on Rio Ferdinand is small potatoes at about £3M a year particularly when you take into account any common or garden PL CB is going to cost that in wages these days.
No 'source'?
Alleluia, Almunia was on £50K. Denilson is still here.
If anyone should know all about players hoovering up big wages whilst contributing little or nothing it's an Arsenal supporter.
25m for Modric? No way 
Genuine question here, how is The Sun the 'best selling paper in England'? Who reads it let alone pays for it?
25m for Modric? No way
With Levy around? No chance. It'll be at least £100m and Paul Tunnicliffe on loan to replace him.
I think we've culled all our wage thieves now.
Apart from Bebe who probably gets paid in food stamps.
And Anderson on account of being perma-injured. He'll get a year though I reckon.
Exactly. If he could squeeze out 6m for Niko Kranjcar, there's no way he's letting Modric , who has 4 years left, go for just 25m.