What makes you think we will sign Modric when he is 28 next season if we don't sign him this summer when is about to turn 27?
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I don't think we will. I said I could understand it with Carrick being 32.
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What a muppet. He's actually schooled you in 5 words.You might be talking about it, but I don't think you actually know what you're on about here. You've completely backtracked on your original statement to save face.
Well I don't think anyone can argue that we do need to bring in somebody to play in midfield, so who would you bring in? (realistic option of course, and Javi Martinez is not realistic). The only player that I could realistically see us getting that would be a defensive type like the one you said would be M'Vila, but I don't think we are in for him at all. I'm pretty sure Arsenal is in for him, so not counting him either who would you go for? For me, Modric is the best we can realistically hope to get.
Well as you've said, there aren't many options. I don't watch enough football to know how everyone's playing and what their situations are. People mentioned De Rossi a few years ago, apparently he's gone off the boil. The only play I can think of is Song. He's had a really good season for Arsenal, he's 24, and when all nine defenders get injured, he'll make a better centre back than Carrick.
I'm not so sure we do need someone. Yes I'd like someone else, but as I've said, we have to be realistic right now, and we can't just buy for the sake of buying. It's never been our policy, even less so nowadays. We've just signed Kagawa, so in terms of attacking options we have him, our three wingers, Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. We're well stocked going forward. We've then got Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher (certianly not to be relied upon right now, I know), plus Cleverley and Anderson. All of those players can play a proper midfield role I believe. Barring the same stupid injury crisis as last season, I reckon we should be fine without anyone else.
I'm not so sure we do need someone. Yes I'd like someone else, but as I've said, we have to be realistic right now, and we can't just buy for the sake of buying. It's never been our policy, even less so nowadays. We've just signed Kagawa, so in terms of attacking options we have him, our three wingers, Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. We're well stocked going forward. We've then got Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher (certianly not to be relied upon right now, I know), plus Cleverley and Anderson. All of those players can play a proper midfield role I believe. Barring the same stupid injury crisis as last season, I reckon we should be fine without anyone else.
Plus Giggs and maybe Park, who Fergie plays more centrally nowadays. Numbers wise, we have a lot of options.
I'm struggling to see a major role for Giggs this season. When playing alongside Carrick in midfield he was dire. He was more effective when pushed upfield, so he could play in the home games when we need an extra forward, but with Kagawa and Rooney already playing there I don't know how much he'll play. Park could be sold. Didn't play much this season, another year older etc.
I think alongside Carrick he'd suit us perfectly. Very intelligent player, I'd love him here.
Wouldn't mind M'Vila either mind, or Banega, or Vidal. In fact a couple of those would be great.
Wouldn't mind M'Vila either mind, or Banega, or Vidal. In fact a couple of those would be great.
Yeah, number wise it seems fine but we have to be lucky with injuries and hope Anderson/Cleverley over come their injury problems. Scholes can play occasionally but I don't think we can rely on him to play as much as he did in the second half of last season. Last season I was fine with us not strengthening the midfield because I hoped Anderson would overcome his problems and I thought Morrison/Pogba/Cleverley would break through... that didn't exactly work out did it. I think our problems are overrated, but I certainly do think its a weak point. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we don't strengthen the midfield but we'd be taking a big risk IMO.
We just bought an attacking midfielder. If we sign another midfielder it will be a defensive minded one.
Tiote or Feleini type IMO.
Tiote or Feleini type IMO.
Quality wise these options are dreadful.
Agree , think our attacking is more than good enough .
I agree but the muppet in me wants him.
Been thinking of this as well. Not sure we need an attacking (creative) midfielder that much. We have Carrick, Cleverley and (if fit) Anderson who can all play a good pass. In Kagawa, Young and Rooney we have several who link up the midfield and the attack.
We do need some muscle, or an engine at least, in midfield though - escpecially if Fletcher doesn't return fully fit and in form. Park has delivered some of that energy before, but he was poorish this season.
I'd take someone like Fellaini or Tiote. Other than those, I am not really sure what kind of midfielders we would be looking at. We don't really seem to be linked to many midfielders either.
We need 2(two) midfielders. Kagawa is no midfielder, and I pretty much doubt we'll play him there.
Fletcher is out of contention, Anderson I don't think can be relied on for a starting role, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes well in their thirties.
We need defensive minded midfielder, and Modric type one who can sit a bit deeper and spray passes, like Scholes couple of years ago.
After watching Modric the other day it pretty much reaffirms my belief that he would be a great addition to our team. Very clever on the ball, can either pick a pass or dribble his way out of trouble. He seems like a United style player but we may be put off by the whole age to price ratio. If he got him and Kagawa in the same summer then it would be a great coup for us
Kagawa is more of an no 10. I think he would be perfect in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 system just behind the lone striker's back. If Fletch doesn't make it, then we'll need 2 midfielders. A physical player who can win the ball (Felliani type) and a deep lying playmaker like Modric.
However god knows what SAF has in mind. If the Polish guy's rumors are true then we may well stick to 4-4-2 next season
However god knows what SAF has in mind. If the Polish guy's rumors are true then we may well stick to 4-4-2 next season
---------------De Gea---------------
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
Nani---Carrick---Modric---Kagawa
---------------Rooney
-----------------Lewandowski
Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Powell, Cleverley, Valencia, Young, Welbeck
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
Nani---Carrick---Modric---Kagawa
---------------Rooney
-----------------Lewandowski
Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Powell, Cleverley, Valencia, Young, Welbeck
---------------De Gea---------------
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
Nani---Carrick---Modric---Kagawa
---------------Rooney
-----------------Lewandowski
Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Powell, Cleverley, Valencia, Young, Welbeck
I'd be disappointed if we brought a striker in. Welbeck has it in him to be among the best in the world imo. Has everything in his locker.
Don't ruin it for the muppets.
Are people seriously suggesting that Fellaini would be a better option than modric? Christ what has this world come to. decent player but he wouldn't be an improvement on what we currently have that's for sure. Especially not in the passing and controlling the game department, which is what we should be aiming to do.
They're both very different players so it really is a case of people thinking differently about what the team needs rather than preferring one over the other as footballers. Nothing wrong about it.
---------------De Gea---------------
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
Nani---Carrick---Modric---Kagawa
---------------Rooney
-----------------Lewandowski
Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Powell, Cleverley, Valencia, Young, Welbeck
I fear that the midfield would be too lightweight.
I'd say you and the other lads were the muppets, tbh. You were replying to a drunkard who was on an obvious WUM.
How so? Carrick is deceptively good defensively and Rooney is very responsible as well.
Is Barca's midfield too lightweight? Is Bilbao's? They both taught us a lesson, by using light players who are good on the ball.
You don't need a destroyer type in the midfield, we should focus on keeping the ball better rather then looking for destroyer types who will get stuck in IMO. Both would be useful, but if you look at the quality of player available for each type, or players being rumoured with us (Fellaini for destoyer, modric for a playmaker type), would you not want the better individual player? I thought we were pretty poor last season at keeping possession of the ball, in fact I hardly remember us having considerably more possession (over 60%) than the other team once last year (apart from the stoke game at Old Trafford).
But you don't have to go so far as to get a destroyer. Fellani can do that role but he can also be a good possession player, clearly he's talented and he can provide good defensive cover. Barca have busquets and xavi. Xavi is someone who will keep possession but he is also very good defensively, better than Modric. When Spurs have really tough matches they usually add another midfielder to help Modric out or they shift him slightly wider. Tbh though most teams have 2 defensively competent players in the middle. I.e. Real have Alonso and Diarra/Khedira, City have Toure and Barry/De Jong, Barca as above use Busquets and Xavi.
Having Modric would give us slightly more possession but personally I think we have more than enough and in truth in most games we don't really struggle creatively. It's hard to judge the midfield in that aspect on last season because for large periods we simply only had Carrick around. Both Giggs and Jones are pretty far down the pecking order when everyone is fit. Having Modric would be great but I think he would only give us a little extra and wouldn't solve the big problems, which is that in the tough games we simply get too exposed in the middle. Scholes and Giggs don't have the legs and Clev and Ando both have lots to learn about the defensive side of midfield not to mention their respective issues with fitness.
Without getting another midfielder who is competent defensively and can either come in for tougher matches or provide an alternative to Carrick when he's not available than I think we won't really solve the real problem we have. Modric might help us keep the ball better but we won't always have it and defensively whilst he isn't poor he's not particularly good either. Modric isn't a necessity, a defensively good midfielder is imo.
Having Modric would give us slightly more possession but personally I think we have more than enough and in truth in most games we don't really struggle creatively. It's hard to judge the midfield in that aspect on last season because for large periods we simply only had Carrick around. Both Giggs and Jones are pretty far down the pecking order when everyone is fit. Having Modric would be great but I think he would only give us a little extra and wouldn't solve the big problems, which is that in the tough games we simply get too exposed in the middle. Scholes and Giggs don't have the legs and Clev and Ando both have lots to learn about the defensive side of midfield not to mention their respective issues with fitness.
Without getting another midfielder who is competent defensively and can either come in for tougher matches or provide an alternative to Carrick when he's not available than I think we won't really solve the real problem we have. Modric might help us keep the ball better but we won't always have it and defensively whilst he isn't poor he's not particularly good either. Modric isn't a necessity, a defensively good midfielder is imo.
Carrick can hold the fort, but he's not as physical as the typical DM. Modric is hardworking but he's lightweight, same thing can be said about Kagawa while Nani is not really renowned for his hard work at all.
Under such circumstances you'll putting alot of stress on the forward line who'll be expected to drop deep and win the ball. I don't mind it every now and then however I'd prefer Rooney to work his magic upfront rather then pass much of the time helping CM win the ball, which under such circumstances will happen alot especially against teams who play with a 3 men CM.
And Barcelona were bullied to CL elimination by Chelsea...moral of the story too many cooks (ie technically gifted CM) spoil the broth. Honestly Id like to see us have a balanced team. Don't forget that we compete in the EPL, were 6ft+ physical players are a norm rather then a rarity
Don't miss so many chances
I arranged that.
Don't miss so many chances
Pretty much. Whoever says Chelsea taught Barca and Bayern a lesson didn't see the games. The only lesson was you have to actually score to win. Ball possession doesn't count for much if you don't score. They also taught them how to park Roman's jet in front of the goal. Nothing else at all.
Something the Italians did with Spain (and better) and nearly got a surprising result.
So a destoyer would've helped Barca in that game
Team A parks the bus, devilish's answer = Team
B had too many technically gifted players.
Seriously... wtf
No. The Italians actually played some good football. Chelsea really didn't. There was a difference in the two performances.
Chelsea were incredibly lucky. Happens!
Barcelona and Bayern were much the better teams that much was obvious.
So a destoyer would've helped Barca in that game
Team A parks the bus, devilish's answer = Team
B had too many technically gifted players.
Seriously... wtf
No, having a set of players passing the ball to oblivion doesn't win you matches. You need balance, especially if you still care in winning the EPL title were football is much more physical.
The Italians played a highly disciplined side who had the right balance between steel and technique.