Meh, it's not losing anything it's just not gaining. Staying where you are. I'd still just laugh at him for being spineless. My point being there's nothing to be wary of, I have money to gain and none of my own money to lose if he runs off. Only if I lose the bet in which case I pay him anyway which I was always going to do. If someone wants to make a bet and then run off then that's their decision and I don't have to deal with them again, if they want to be a man then they know what to do.
Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid
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Meh, it's not losing anything it's just not gaining. Staying where you are. I'd still just laugh at him for being spineless. My point being there's nothing to be wary of, I have money to gain and none of my own money to lose if he runs off. Only if I lose the bet in which case I pay him anyway which I was always going to do. If someone wants to make a bet and then run off then that's their decision and I don't have to deal with them again, if they want to be a man then they know what to do.
You are a bookie's wet dream. 
I suppose there is one positive, in that we will be rid of Asston for good.
I suppose there is one positive, in that we will be rid of Asston for good.
Wow that's a sensational deflection
We both know Levy talks a lot of shit then sells them for £10m more than their worth 2 days before the deadline leaving his manager up shits creek without a midfielder to paddle him out. You can say what you like but everyone has a price, if Fernando Torres can force a move from Liverpool then Levy has no chance of keeping Modric.
NO chance? That's an outrageous statement to make, players can be kept at clubs after saying they want to leave. And unlike Rooney, Tevez, Barry etc, Modric hasn't even handed in a transfer request yet.
Every situation is different, you can't just say x forced through a move and so y will be able to do the same. For one thing, Torres had been playing like crap for a while. He hadn't really been of great use to Liverpool for that whole season. Was injury prone. Modric was our best player last season. And again, Torres had how long on his contract, 3/4 years?
The statement Levy made regarding Berbatov/Keane was different to the one Levy has made about Modric this time around. There's already a lot of ill feeling towards him after the Olympic stadium crap, I doubt he'd come out with such a definite statement if he didn't mean it.
As for the 50 million figure. Clearly, no-one believes Modric is worth 50 million (yet no-one seems to find it so hilarious when Pastore or Sanchez etc are touted for 40+ million). But then again, the market hasn't become about what's the fair price for a player. Modric still has 5 years left and we're in a strong position financially. For the meanwhile, its looking like he isn't going to go to Berbatov/Keane levels of knobishness to get his move. I don't think the loss of Modric is going to be as disastrous as a lot of Spurs fans do.
But what are we going to do with the money though? Let's say we sell Modric for 35 million. That would buy us a striker from Newcastle who has played half a season in the premiership. Or Henderson and Jones. Or Rossi. As well as the clear sign that we're a selling club. How is any of that going to improve us as a team?
For what its worth, I think Modric will go for around 40 million when he's sold, whether this summer or next. I don't have a great deal of confidence in what we'll do with the money though.
You are a bookie's wet dream.
I suppose there is one positive, in that we will be rid of Asston for good.
Well that's different, they have to pay out and you pay them first. That's not the case here.
I'd rather he stuck around if it turns out Modric leaves, there'll be a large chunk of humble pie going round for him to eat. It will be like man vs food.
If Modric wants to leave (which I think will happen in this window once a club makes a serious bid, or definitely if you don't get CL football next year) then Levy wont be able to keep him, there's nothing outrageous about that.
It's not a slight on Levy or Spurs, we couldn't hold Ronaldo for more than a year when he wanted to leave and we were champions of Europe.
This.
Spurs should hope for an auction and flog him for as much as pos.
Why keep a player who wants challenges his current club cannot provide?
I know its not meant to be a slight on us, I was never under the impression Modric was going to spend his career here, even when he was just little innocent Modric that would never ask away. But like I said, he still has 5 years left on his contract, we have no reason to sell and Levy has given a much more definite statement regarding not even entering negotiations. And for your previous comment about his dealing with Berbatov and Keane, he set a price for both. Both were met. He isn't setting a price for Modric.
I'm not anywhere near as confident as Glaston is that Modric will still be here 1st September but I would say, considering the success of you, City, Arsenal, Villa amongst other teams in keeping players, even if it was just to delay their departure, that we have more than a 0% chance of keeping him here for 1 more season.
Long term contracts are there to protect both the player's and the club's interests. In case of Modric the player wants exit but the club doesn't, but it could be the opposite when the club wants to move a player on a high wage and big contract but has a problem finding any takers(Man City and Adebayor, etc).
Spurs are in a strong position with Modric because they don't need to sell and because of the length of his deal. However, if the player reiterates his desire to leave or better yet goes as far as submitting a transfer request, one may argue that keeping him in these circumstances would be detrimental to the club.
I don't doubt that Tottenham are capable of retaining Modric. Whether it's a good move for them in a long run, I'm not so sure. Luka strikes me as too much of a nice guy to try and force the deal but he clearly wants to leave and he's not at the age where you can bide a few more years hoping to get your wish eventually. He's had his best season and his value is very high now.
A year or two from now it may not be the case anymore.
Spurs are in a strong position with Modric because they don't need to sell and because of the length of his deal. However, if the player reiterates his desire to leave or better yet goes as far as submitting a transfer request, one may argue that keeping him in these circumstances would be detrimental to the club.
I don't doubt that Tottenham are capable of retaining Modric. Whether it's a good move for them in a long run, I'm not so sure. Luka strikes me as too much of a nice guy to try and force the deal but he clearly wants to leave and he's not at the age where you can bide a few more years hoping to get your wish eventually. He's had his best season and his value is very high now.
A year or two from now it may not be the case anymore.
From NOTW
"LUKA MODRIC wants showdown talks with Spurs chairman Daniel Levy when he returns to pre-season training.
The Croatian star is demanding a meeting for the first week of July, when he will tell Levy he would like to join Chelsea.
The Blues' interest has not cooled, despite a £22million offer being turned down.
Levy issued a strongly-worded statement insisting the club would never contemplate selling one of their crown jewels.
If Levy refuses to change his position, Modric will hand in a transfer request in a bid to force Tottenham's hand.
The playmaker is keen to play Champions League football and has set his heart on a move across London.
Modric, 25, would prefer an amicable departure but is willing to risk the wrath of Spurs fans.
Chelsea would go beyond the £30m mark for the man they see as providing the creativity missing last term.
New boss Andre Villas-Boas has been briefed on the complexities of any possible deal but made it clear he sees the signing of Modric as crucial.
Levy is determined not to be pushed around and has staked his reputation on keeping Modric. The only room for manoeuvre is if the player publicly states he wants to leave."
"LUKA MODRIC wants showdown talks with Spurs chairman Daniel Levy when he returns to pre-season training.
The Croatian star is demanding a meeting for the first week of July, when he will tell Levy he would like to join Chelsea.
The Blues' interest has not cooled, despite a £22million offer being turned down.
Levy issued a strongly-worded statement insisting the club would never contemplate selling one of their crown jewels.
If Levy refuses to change his position, Modric will hand in a transfer request in a bid to force Tottenham's hand.
The playmaker is keen to play Champions League football and has set his heart on a move across London.
Modric, 25, would prefer an amicable departure but is willing to risk the wrath of Spurs fans.
Chelsea would go beyond the £30m mark for the man they see as providing the creativity missing last term.
New boss Andre Villas-Boas has been briefed on the complexities of any possible deal but made it clear he sees the signing of Modric as crucial.
Levy is determined not to be pushed around and has staked his reputation on keeping Modric. The only room for manoeuvre is if the player publicly states he wants to leave."
I think Levy and Harry should have considered Spurs' actual position in the footballing world before opening their mouths about this transfer. Yes they got CL football for a year, but they punched above their weight and everyone knows it; it's not going to happen again anytime soon, it'd be folly for them to suddenly believe themselves to be big-dogs when they quite clearly are not anything of the sort. Spurs are ambitious, fine, that's understandable; but they must also recognise that football players are ambitious also, and the ambitions of top football players are not going to get realised at lowly Tottenham Hotspur, not in a hundred years. Luka Modrić deserves a class of football which Spurs will never be able to provide him, they should cash-in now or else keep an unhappy player full of unrealised potential who will win nothing at all and be relatively worthless next season once the interested clubs have found alternative options.
I don't understand your point. Does this applies to every club who don't play CL? Off course Tottenham have every right to protect their interest. By announcing his position Levy has shown his clubs players, sponsors, supporters and future transfer targets, his and the clubs future ambitions. Makes perfect sense and any other move from Tottenhams supremo would had been strange and counter productive.
(Imagine Levy has said "off course we sell our best players as long as we get decent money and btw why don't you take Bale when you are on it so we can lower our ambitions a little bit more- We now our place in the football world and have no problems with that and that other clubs screw us over... and do someone has some Vaseline, my ass has just been fecked by a Russian gangster with a hard one.. feels great btw..")
Strange comment that Modric deserves things! You can argue that Modric deserves to fulfill his contract. He should have thought about that before he put a pen to his new contract.
Off course he can sulk and show his disappointment but it would hardly go on forever. When the new season starts, and the transfer window is closed, things changes. Is not as Tottenham provide him with nothing and his life is over.
His value will decrease but that's a calculated risk Tottenham needs to take if they are serious in their ambitions. The other option would be worse and cost them far more in the long perspective.
Every time a good player want's to move on to a new (and better) club the selling club have to consider their position. Every case is individual and depending on many various factors. It's not black and white and as antihenry noticed the contract is to protect two parties.
I totaly agree with him and your point is more from the players view and that money is the ultimate answer to every problem. It works if you are looking for short term profits but if you have other ambitions it's unwise.
He will definitely definitely stay at Spurs. When a player that Spurs dont want to sell wants to leave them then they always have to give 1 years notice. When we wanted Carrick and Berbatov we simply had to wait another year to get them even though we were ready to throw money at Spurs and the players themselves were kicking up a fuss saying they wanted out straight away. I dont see this changing this summer no matter how much cash they get offered and Modric signed a new contact for them not too long ago so they have him by his elf balls.
I was hammered last night when I posted the above; I had a point in my head, of sorts, but didn't really make it at all. I can't really explain now because I can't really remember it.
We should consider our position? What elitist bullcrap. So every time a 'bigger club' comes along (and with all due respect antihenry, I still struggle to see Chelsea as that just because a rich Russian has been pumping money in for a few years) we simply bend over?
Our stance is nothing to do with us thinking we're big dogs. Our stance is because we're both a football club and a business. Both of those are served by Luka Modric staying. So he stays. Regardless of us upsetting ickle Modric and the cartel who think we should respect their position in the footballing world by selling our best players for peanuts.
Modric deserves nothing. He signed a contract just last season saying he was staying for 6 years. No one forced him to sign that. That means, in the real world, where us poor 'lowly clubs' don't cower in fear and awe every time a bigger club comes close, Modric agreed to stay for 6 years. Of course he won't. But that was what he agreed. I suppose Modric is a 'slave'.
You say clubs not trying to buy Modric next season as if it would be an absolute disaster for us.
No-one wants to buy Modric! If Modric stays, he will still perform. And his value won't plummet. And when we sell Modric, we will get whatever Levy's extortionate price will be, just as we did for Keane, Berbatov and Carrick.tbh I think levy would know the difference between off and of, now and know and do and does.
Don't you think though that Levy's comments, which sound to me like they're being made to force the price up rather than to actually ward clubs off, leave Spurs' back against the wall somewhat should a sale actually go through? Or are Spurs really in a position whereby they can turn down, say, a £40m offer for a want-away player should one materialise? If you sell after telling everyone that you wouldn't and that if you did you'd be nothing more than a selling club then it'll just cement your image as sell-outs who're nothing more than a selling club, whereas if you don't sell you'll be keeping a player who wants to play for another team and turning down a potentially lucrative offer. I just think that, considering Spurs' position as a non-CL club, it's probably not wise of Levy to be declaring yourselves as a club that won't sell and Harry publicly telling everyone that if you sell then you're little more than a feeder-club (not sure of his exact words, bit something to that effect), when the likelihood is that sooner or later you will be selling your players, because non-CL clubs never really do keep hold of top players. Do you know what I mean?
tbh I think levy would know the difference between off and of, now and know and do and does.
feck man it's was five a clock in the morning and I was watching Chica digging gold in USA. But you are right. Shame on me.
The point is unlike United, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, and Arsenal, Spurs will find it difficult to keep hold of their players if they want out. It would be extremely rare for the clubs I have mentioned to have a bid for their top players from one of the other 4 top teams and be successful.
I'm talking present.
I'm talking present.
Levy has been put in a corner by Harry. Only thing Harry failed to say in his interview immediately after all this kicked off was if Modric is sold I'm off. Levy will now have to find an elaborate way to keep the peace between himself, Harry and Modric. Which realistically is a massive new contract for Modric, which then unsettles Bale.
Fair play man. It's happens to everybody. Hope your evening was worth the effort. Btw. Since seven years ago I don't drink alcohol at all but maybe I shall do a comeback. Women in my age look nicer after a few pints..Now they look shit.
I don't think spurs punched above their weight at all reaching the CL, it is simply due to the sugar daddies coming to city and bankrolling them to the top - unlucky for spurs more than anything
I think we are. We certainly didn't make comments like that with Keane, Berbatov and Carrick and Levy would be made to look like an utter fool if we were to sell now.
Like I said, Modric is going eventually, there was no doubt about that even before the Chelsea thing. But he'll go on our terms and, with the length of his contract and the stance Levy is taking on this, I feel he'll go when we decide he can go and not when he decides.
You actually raise a good point though. For me, this is well beyond Modric the player. We've lost better players than Modric before and coped. When he's been injured, we've actually won a higher percentage of games. Unlike a lot of spurs fans, I don't think selling him would be the disaster on the field, as long as the money was ploughed into a new strikeforce. But selling Modric would send out a horrible message, especially if we're bending over as soon as someone comes along and sends us an insulting offer.
We don't need the money, we're not some crappy midtable club who are struggling for cash. We're rolling in it and its all self-produced as well. All selling him would do is send a message to other clubs, to other players that we'll only ever be a stepping stone, a top 6 club that occasionally qualifies for the CL. It will also send a message to Bale, VDV, Sandro etc that perhaps its time to leave the club. After the progress over the past couple of seasons, that would essentially be pointless.
Like I said, Modric is going eventually, there was no doubt about that even before the Chelsea thing. But he'll go on our terms and, with the length of his contract and the stance Levy is taking on this, I feel he'll go when we decide he can go and not when he decides.
You actually raise a good point though. For me, this is well beyond Modric the player. We've lost better players than Modric before and coped. When he's been injured, we've actually won a higher percentage of games. Unlike a lot of spurs fans, I don't think selling him would be the disaster on the field, as long as the money was ploughed into a new strikeforce. But selling Modric would send out a horrible message, especially if we're bending over as soon as someone comes along and sends us an insulting offer.
We don't need the money, we're not some crappy midtable club who are struggling for cash. We're rolling in it and its all self-produced as well. All selling him would do is send a message to other clubs, to other players that we'll only ever be a stepping stone, a top 6 club that occasionally qualifies for the CL. It will also send a message to Bale, VDV, Sandro etc that perhaps its time to leave the club. After the progress over the past couple of seasons, that would essentially be pointless.
Very true. We're now essentially competing with 5 clubs who can all offer higher wages and transfer fees than us, two of them who haven't earnt a penny of that money and who spend more on bench players than we have ever spent on a player. We'd have done a far sight better over the past few years if it wasn't for Abrahmovich and the sheikh.
The fact is Spurs never made it to the Champions League before Abram, and the Sheikh came in with their Millions.
United would certainly have had a few more titles mind...
I know that and I know that football isn't quite that simple. But our best team in 20 years has coincided with us being blown out of the water financially by City and Chelsea and unlike you and Arsenal, we don't have the foundations to really compete long term.
Its a stupidly simple model that doesn't account for a million different factors but I think we would have qualified for the CL last season were it not for their money. Sadly, the only way we can realistically compete is for us to be bought by a billionaire, which I can see soon and at which point, my interest in this sport probably disappears.
But going back on your point, I agree that Redknapp's comments were quite unnecessary and seems mainly a way to show us that if Modric is sold, he had nothing to with it.
As far as I could see, Spurs threw all their eggs in one basket last season in some retarded hope that they could actually win the competition, instead of enjoying the experience and concentrating on qualifying this year.
Spurs just seemed to implode from Xmas on drawing matches they should have won over & over again. You should have walked CL qualification last season but instead you blew it/bottled it. It had nothing whatsoever to do with money.
What on earth would give you that impression? We played the best team available for both competitions. Not once did we rest a player in the league in anticipation of the champions league game midweek.
We failed to win a lot of those matches because of the utter incompetence of our strikers. We would dominate the game, our strikers would be anonymous or even worse, miss chance after chance and then be hit with a sucker punch. I think even with City's money we should have qualified for it last season. But to suggest that money had nothing to do with it is ridiculous.
I tend to agree with the Spurs fans that Levy won't sell after making that statement. It imposed a strong constraint on himself. It's a bit like a hardman publicly declaring that if anyone looks at his girl he'll kill them on the spot - it locks himself into a position where not to follow through destroys his reputation, and because people know that they are less likely to try it on.
It made sense for them to cash in on the likes of Carrick and Berbatov (though personally I don't think he fleeced us for Carrick, 14m rising to 18 was fair value). But selling Modric wouldn't make much sense at this point.
That said, africanspurs is exaggerating their financial strength a bit - it's illusory because they are going to have to do something about the stadium soon enough.
It made sense for them to cash in on the likes of Carrick and Berbatov (though personally I don't think he fleeced us for Carrick, 14m rising to 18 was fair value). But selling Modric wouldn't make much sense at this point.
That said, africanspurs is exaggerating their financial strength a bit - it's illusory because they are going to have to do something about the stadium soon enough.
Or maybe wonder Bale was a 1 month wonder...
I really wanted Spurs to qualify for the CL but you have to admit they were woeful after the new year...
When the stadium comes into play, we're essentially screwed financially for a while no doubt. Until then though, for a club not owned by a sugar daddy and not in the CL, we're very healthy.
But it seems that Levy is looking for the cheapest possible stadium option, even at the detriment of the club's heritage and its a stance which has made him deeply unpopular with many Spurs fans.
But it seems that Levy is looking for the cheapest possible stadium option, even at the detriment of the club's heritage and its a stance which has made him deeply unpopular with many Spurs fans.
Levy seems a bit of a bellend, but football fans are like voters who want lots of services but no taxes. You probably can't have both a team challenging for the top four in the near term and a terrific new stadium that maintains the club's heritage. You either get a cheaper stadium or you sell the likes of Modric. I know where they're coming from as I really like WHL, but it's a balancing act. The notion, which Glastonspur maintains, that the finances of staff and stadium are two separate worlds that don't impinge on each other, just can't be true.
The only other option is sugar daddy which, as you say, kills the club and the game.
Bit unfair on Bale, he was probably our player of the season when we finished 4th despite not playing at all until January.
Mate, there's no argument there. It was actually a bit later than that, after the AC Milan tie, we were shit for about 3 months. Believe me, lots of us know we should have qualified for the CL last season, even with the money that City have. We failed for all kinds of reasons; injuries and juggling Europe and the league finally caught up with us, appalling strikers and the failure of Redknapp to find a way around bottom half teams who put 11 men behind the ball.
The front group needs a complete overhaul.
The unfortunate thing, which you have already alluded to, is that it may be too late now.
Your only chance seem to be to replace Arse at No 4, which would be really funny...
Your only chance seem to be to replace Arse at No 4, which would be really funny...
That is very true, he spent ages telling us how the NDP was amazing, how it wouldn't affect the playing staff due to outside developments (despite costing 450 million, nice one) and then jumped on the Olympic stadium when he realised how much cheaper it would be, how much more the corporates would love being in Stratford than in Tottenham and where the infrastructure is already in place).
Unless he moves us out of London completely, I don't see how the two can possibly be separate.
That is the unfortunate truth. Fans seemed to splinter into two groups. I want success, feck the heritage, let's move to Stratford. Or I couldn't care less about the success, I'd rather stay at whl and stay shit. Frankly, after a lot of angst, I'd have to say I'm in the second group. Its different being in London than for example Manchester or Liverpool. We're not called London Hotspur. We're Tottenham Hotspur. I'm not sure how we could justify calling ourselves that if we moved to Stratford.
I actually think we can afford the NDP in Tottenham, even if it will affect the playing staff for a while. But I think Levy wants the cheapest possible stadium option to then sell us off for the maximum possible amount.
I agree. But from his POV, having pretty patiently developed the club so that it's around the CL places and so ripe for the sale, it would seriously grate to let you slip back again.
But how..... as per Glaston they have as good a midfield as anyone in the EPL, their defence is fine and everything is rosy, they have as much pull as United right.
NDP was always pie in the sky - in the current climate no one's going to lend a football club £500M to build a new stadium. The Levy/Lewis strategy was to basically fatten up Spurs for sale to a sugar daddy who would fund it. Opportunists that they are, they saw the Olympic stadium as a way to make a quick buck but it's back to plan A now.
Harry Redknapp says chairman Daniel Levy has told him he has to sell up to five players before he can bring any new talent to Spurs.
Spurs chairman Levy has demanded that Redknapp must raise funds before buying the two or three top-class players the former West Ham manager thinks he needs to challenge for a top-four spot.
The north London club have already rejected a £22million bid from Chelsea for Croatia international Luka Modric, while Aaron Lennon is reportedly a transfer target for Liverpool.
In addition, Paris St Germain are being linked with a £21million bid for Younes Kaboul and Wilson Palacios.
Redknapp said: "There's nothing happening in the transfer market. I need to sell four or five players to bring in funds.
"The chairman has made it clear we need to move a few players before we can start doing any business.
"I keep seeing us linked with this player and that, but unless we reduce our squad numbers we'll stay quiet in the market."
Spurs chairman Levy has demanded that Redknapp must raise funds before buying the two or three top-class players the former West Ham manager thinks he needs to challenge for a top-four spot.
The north London club have already rejected a £22million bid from Chelsea for Croatia international Luka Modric, while Aaron Lennon is reportedly a transfer target for Liverpool.
In addition, Paris St Germain are being linked with a £21million bid for Younes Kaboul and Wilson Palacios.
Redknapp said: "There's nothing happening in the transfer market. I need to sell four or five players to bring in funds.
"The chairman has made it clear we need to move a few players before we can start doing any business.
"I keep seeing us linked with this player and that, but unless we reduce our squad numbers we'll stay quiet in the market."
am sure Glaston would be here claiming they are in a good financial position and can easily spend 30m on a single player if they wish to
he'd better offload some of the rubbish that's accumulated over the past five years