This is the main part of this supposed transfer negotiations that I don't get. Maybe I am ignorant, but why is Maguire (supposedly) asking for payment for the rest of his contract when it is a transfer deal with huge fees (relatively), and it is not termination of contract so that West Ham won't have to pay United any kind of transfer fees.
He already has done, stripped of the captaincy, overlooked for the captaincy in the friendlies and instead had to watch McTomminay and Dalot captain the sides he was playing in, told that if he doesn't have the confidence to fight for his place he has to leave (publicly), United accepted a fairly low bid for him to leave and join West Ham.
He should not have been on bench and no squad number. No going back from that
Didn’t we accept the offer?
He has agreed personal terms with West Ham.
I agree but that reduces his value to £0 and we need a fee to replace him so we have to pretend he's got a future or that there's a way back for him.
No, because that would have resulted in the transfer being complete.
Face the consequences of agreeing to the contract in the first place, negotiate a deal to get out of it. Simple.
If we terminate the contract and we pay him a severance package it's basically write off in the books, which is bad for us in every way. We can't even amortize the salary in this way, so that's a non starter. Rather pay him to sit at home.
Surely not if either ourselves or WHU couldn't agree terms with Maguire?
As I said the issue I'm having is the balls to ask for severance package to leave and play for a new club. Yes personally it's what's best for him, but it's also greedy and narcissist thing to do to exploit the situation.
Yep, it's basically what United are trying to do. That doesn't absolve Maguire of being greedy and trying to get as much buck from both sides as possible, though.
You forget the little matter of Moyes saying on camera it was accepted
He's gone for sure, he won't play in any games this month because the manager wants him gone. We'll play Casemiro and Shaw at the back before he gets a game
It would have had to have been a verbal agreement. Because otherwise the transfer would be subject contract law.
Signing a transfer contract forces an obligation onto the club. We wouldn't do so unless every facet of the transfer (including payoff) was complete.
Impact on this year's accounts from accepting WHU's offer:
what difference does that make, the club were ready to let him go and he refused the move
He agreed personal terms with West Ham, so obviously he doesn't see West Ham as beneath him.
United refused the move.
Yes, one of them was a 30% pay cut because I wanted to work with the same person I'd worked with before and the project had a lot smaller budget. Hopefully I am not in the last years of my career, but neither is Maguire. He's got another 5 years in him, maybe more if he keeps sitting on the bench. feck his lifestyle, if that's the only reason he won't leave.
It's a 6 year contract plus 1 year optional that we obviously aren't going to trigger.
why would they do that after accepting the offfer
Fair enough, you are correct we wouldn't depreciate at the +1 as it wasn't expected asset length, didn't realise it was a 6+1, my God...
It was a 6 year contract with 2 years left, not 5.
Because after they took into account the payoff, they felt it was better to keep Maguire than sell him.why would they do that after accepting the offfer
That last point seems like a bit of misdirection. Personal terms are usually done up front, through intermediaries. Of course he wouldn't have spoken to Moyes at that point.
You do not need a hundred of them. Just 8 (4 from the club), if you want to have a 25 men squad. Of course, it is not necessary to have a 25 men squad, many teams are completely fine with fewer players.
According to some reports, Maguire agreed personal terms with West Ham weeks ago.
That's exactly what pisses me off. Maguire shouldn't have registered in any official squad. I don't get why we're clinging on him
