Maguire | he stays!

Should not be allowed to go in loan. Either sell him, or keep him in the bench. Him getting regular minutes while screwing a 30m deal for us should not really be an option, and it should be a lesson for him to learn for next summer, and also for players who are in a similar position.

We also need a fourth choice CB, and with him refusing to leave for West Ham we have no money to get one. Him as fourth choice (or fifth when Shaw is back) is almost alright.
 
caid said:
Yes obviously. To be clear leicester fans thought we were stupid and Evans was the better cb.
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For his and our sake I really hope so. He wasn't worth the amount we paid, but was still worth at least half of it, and was seen as one of the better ball playing cbs at the time.
 
Are these new rumours in any way reliable or just people looking for clicks?
 
At this point I don't care if he leaves, we won't sign anyone anyway. Maguire will rot on the bench, get selected by England, sit in a deep block and get destroyed as soon as England play anyone that's not shit. Then people will say Maguire is good for England.
 
Devil You Know said:
Compared to you.

And you're super rich rich compared to a lot of people in Africa. With that in mind, maybe you should consider taking a paycut to help your employers.
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No that's nonsense. He is objectively a super rich person. If you have to do a comparison, compare him to the entire population, not just the richest bloke in the world.

Who is asking Maguire to take a paycut to help his employers? Maguire taking a paycut(i.e. joining West Ham) is as much for his own benefit. The idea of being a footballer is to actually play football. Experience playing in front of thousands each week, achieving something. Being part of a team.
 
Marwood said:
No that's nonsense. He is objectively a super rich person. If you have to do a comparison, compare him to the entire population, not just the richest bloke in the world.

Who is asking Maguire to take a paycut to help his employers? Maguire taking a payout(i.e. joining West Ham) is as much for his own benefit. The idea of being a footballer is to actually play football. Experience playing in front of thousands each week, achieving something. Being part of a team.
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Whilst you're partially right, you're partially wrong. If you compare your wages to the rest of the world you'd be rich as most people in the world are in poverty. With that being said it's irrelevant.

Maguire isn't doing anything wrong by taking a payout from the club, everyone would do it unless they're a moron. The idea of being a footballer is to play football, but it's not a fairytale, people play for money too. That compensation is for the hard work you put in day in and day out and the sacrifices you have to make. Maguire can't live a normal life due to being a footballer, playing in front of thousands of entitled weirdos (many of whom give him abuse) is not a prize.
 
mintyred said:
Whilst you're partially right, you're partially wrong. If you compare your wages to the rest of the world you'd be rich as most people in the world are in poverty. With that being said it's irrelevant.

Maguire isn't doing anything wrong by taking a payout from the club, everyone would do it unless they're a moron. The idea of being a footballer is to play football, but it's not a fairytale, people play for money too. That compensation is for the hard work you put in day in and day out and the sacrifices you have to make. Maguire can't live a normal life due to being a footballer, playing in front of thousands of entitled weirdos (many of whom give him abuse) is not a prize.
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It is weird to have a black and white take on this. There is no right or wrong. Every footballer takes a decisions based on their priorities and family/financial situation and future plans.
 
Cant believe dude is willing to throw away his International career just for 5-7 million. Said it before, but Ed Woodward should be drawn and quartered for the wages he has given these players. It makes them damn near impossible to move.
 
For the love of god just bugger off Harry, so everyone can move on with their lives!
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
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What it feels like

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Pete O’Rourke is a bit flaky in terms of reliability. He did get props from one of the more reliable sources on social media for getting the initial scoop on a transfer story I saw recently. So he’s not a complete chancer.
 
Oranges038 said:
Not exactly true, he was sacked because the results were shit, the football was shit and the players clearly didn't like him.

But from the moment Jose was told no about a few players, he went into his usual self sabotage mode, to make sure he was getting sacked.
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I’d put it a good deal earlier than that. He lost interest in the job as soon as he’d panicked Woodward into giving him an improved contract half way through his second season. The football turned shit then; miraculously, the results took a while to follow.

There was an atrocious 0-0 at home to a poor Southampton right at the end of 2017. I don’t think I’ve ever seen United play a home game with so little ambition; not even under LVG.
 
mintyred said:
Whilst you're partially right, you're partially wrong. If you compare your wages to the rest of the world you'd be rich as most people in the world are in poverty. With that being said it's irrelevant.

Maguire isn't doing anything wrong by taking a payout from the club, everyone would do it unless they're a moron. The idea of being a footballer is to play football, but it's not a fairytale, people play for money too. That compensation is for the hard work you put in day in and day out and the sacrifices you have to make. Maguire can't live a normal life due to being a footballer, playing in front of thousands of entitled weirdos (many of whom give him abuse) is not a prize.
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I don't look at it as right or wrong as such but a moron would waste years of his career for money he doesn't need. To piss away the opportunity do what many would love is just a crying shame and that's the bit that gets me.

I know loads of regular people who choose lifestyle or job satisfaction over money. I'm bemused as to why a few see this as unthinkable for a multi millionaire.
 
Marwood said:
I don't look at it as right or wrong as such but a moron would waste years of his career for money he doesn't need. To piss away the opportunity do what many would love is just a crying shame and that's the bit that gets me.

I know loads of regular people who choose lifestyle or job satisfaction over money. I'm bemused as to why a few see this as unthinkable for a multi millionaire.
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That's ridiculous.
 
Maguire will come to regret sitting on his hands if he plans to stay at United as it will in essence end his playing career
 
windycityfan said:
And there you have it. The reverse Wesley Snijder. One wouldn’t come, the other one wouldn’t go.
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Pretty sure this is because we are not going to be given the funds to sign a replacement. Jokes and memes aside, Maguire as 4th or 5th choice CB is better than nothing. I think the Glazers have indicated that no more funds will be released this window regardless of sales.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if they're calling his bluff on how much he wants to bugger off?

"You want how much? No, that's fine then you can sit on the bench."
 
I know this is a toxic post but anyone else think that the hammers have done decent business this window - they wont finish above us will they??
 
I suspect West Ham dont have the 30m agreed previously, especially given we need a striker in as well still.

We obviously did have but that's been diverted elsewhere now. We sold 140m of players so far, so given little over the sales value (given 50m went on loans from covid this summer) I doubt we have much more than 25-30m left to possibly cover 2 positions before CB.

Hence why we are now trying the loan option. By not paying an extra 3-6m to Maguire, you've possibly screwed yourselves out of 30.

Moyes does want him still, but the options to work with are limited unless SA cones in for Zouma in the next few days.
 
Stobzilla said:
If West Ham said £30mil but we loan for a year first then it would mean the pay out would be smaller at the end of the loan (less time remaining on contract) and also that the FFP amount to break even would also be lower (same reason).

But it wouldn't look great on this year's books and might be cutting it a bit fine, we can probably get everyone we want (Todibo, Amrabat, Gravenberch loan + 2nd keeper) with the sales of McTominay and Henderson and then this can be a bonus for next season.
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Maybe we can try and do the same thing with other clubs, loan with obligation to pay, maybe not with Amrabat as it’s his last year but maybe the obligation can be applied to January and with champions league money coming in over those months etc we would be able to afford it. We need to do something in the last few days or it will be a tough season for the midfield.
 
Koldbeer2021 said:
I suspect West Ham dont have the 30m agreed previously, especially given we need a striker in as well still.

We obviously did have but that's been diverted elsewhere now. We sold 140m of players so far, so given little over the sales value (given 50m went on loans from covid this summer) I doubt we have much more than 25-30m left to possibly cover 2 positions before CB.

Hence why we are now trying the loan option. By not paying an extra 3-6m to Maguire, you've possibly screwed yourselves out of 30.

Moyes does want him still, but the options to work with are limited unless SA cones in for Zouma in the next few days.
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You won't get Maguire on loan, so this point really doesn't make sense.

We're restricted with regards to FFP, we'd like to be rid of Maguire but unfortunately the cost of replacing him adequately would be 30-40 mill which we wouldn't have if we gave him his 12mill pay off. Maguire is hated by a lot of United fans but the fact of the matter is he's our 4th/5th option at CB and we'll eventually have to count on him at some part this season. Especially now with Shaw out and Varane who's quite injury prone.
 
bosskeano said:
Maguire will come to regret sitting on his hands if he plans to stay at United as it will in essence end his playing career
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His career wil be over at 32? We all want him gone but why are people so dramatic.
 
Hackman2210 said:
I know this is a toxic post but anyone else think that the hammers have done decent business this window - they wont finish above us will they??
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Man Utd have the longest unbroken run of any club in the PL of finishing above West Ham - last time WHU finished higher was 1986. Man City have the second longest.

West Ham have finished above each of Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal at some point since 2016.

I'd guess that our (WHU) league form this year will be a lot closer to 2020-2022 when we finished 6th and 7th than last year, and the squad seems stronger now than it did in either of those years. If we get the last few days of the window right, we'll be back at that level.
 
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