There's no goalscorer, central defender or LB ready for that jump
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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There's no goalscorer, central defender or LB ready for that jump
To be fair, five minutes added on was right last night. I just wish the officials were more consistent with the time added on because there's been other games where there's been as many stoppages and time wasting as the game last night and that game only got like three or four minutes.
That's true. They seem tired and they don't finish their chances so easily. De Bruyne looks off, Aguero doesn't look very sharp either. Contrary to what some people think, in every system a team's most important players are always key to the overall performance. No tactics are ever successful without other parameters being at a very high level. And some parameters that contributed to clearer wins from City a while ago aren't at the required level for them in this moment. Plainly put, I think they're a bit tired and not as focused.
Also they've faced in Huddersfield and Southampton two teams that put everything behind getting a point.
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statto.com but it seems to have been down for a few months now, it was very handy
This is a forum with I am guessing over 100,000 users, ofcourse some people will brag but you can't isolate that and consider it an overwhelming trait. Most people consider size of our fanbase important to our noodle and fidget spinner sponsorships. And also to try to match Sheikh's financial might.
You will be increasing that fanbase exponentially if Guardiola sticks around. As a first a lot of Barca fans will defect to City. I Jest.
If there really were infinite resources then City would've just paid the money for Van Dijk and Sanchez in the summer, probably would've been in for Mbappe and Neymar too if money is no object.
that was the one, this site http://www.tablesleague.com/england/premier_league/ does the same but it only goes back to 99
I must say Sterling has improved a lot under Guardiola. He is one of their key players atm.
Am i right thinking they have already won 6 points due to goals scored in injury time?
Bournemouth and yesterday. Always Sterling.
And yeah and Huddersfield (?) was 84th minute.
Hehehe. <3
The Premier League site has a handy feature now.
https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=4&mw=1-24&ha=-1
Fair enough and you're right - it represents a very small percentage of the membership on this forum. When I come to think of it, and putting it in perspective, a larger number of United fans on here have been perhaps a bit too gushing in their praise of City's football this season.
The amount of City fans in this thread that have barely any posts 
I think I'm done with the forum.
I think I'm done with the forum.
The comment about the second half timewasting was uncalled for. I got no sense of that happening, neither did anybody around me. Your team played defensively, but could/should still have scored a couple more. We spent decades in a similar(or worse) situation to you,so most City fans are not detached from football.
If there was any consolation of Citys last minute winner, in the midst of all the celebrating my brothers glasses fell off and got destroyed.
What we're seeing with grinding out results at the last minutes of games is a direct result of having quality players across the team/squad. Top quality players can and will always have an influence to change the game in a matter of seconds by themselves when the team as a whole is not getting their way. It could be seconds in the 95th minute or during any minute of the game...
I think City has a good core set of players now to be competitive for a good number of years to come. They don't have to worry too much about players moving on as long as they can pay them well, can continue to attract other top quality players, and win silverware. They have been able to do the first two, winning silverware under pep i'm sure will come at some point whether it is this season or not. They are not stopping at buying quality players either.
Pep has the tendency to get burned out quickly with any job he takes on because he goes at it with such intensity from the beginning. He's not entirely stable mentally to deal with the pressure either. So, that is a huge factor with sustainability of his teams' successes.
I think City has a good core set of players now to be competitive for a good number of years to come. They don't have to worry too much about players moving on as long as they can pay them well, can continue to attract other top quality players, and win silverware. They have been able to do the first two, winning silverware under pep i'm sure will come at some point whether it is this season or not. They are not stopping at buying quality players either.
Pep has the tendency to get burned out quickly with any job he takes on because he goes at it with such intensity from the beginning. He's not entirely stable mentally to deal with the pressure either. So, that is a huge factor with sustainability of his teams' successes.
Based on nothing more than a wild assumption, I'd go as far as saying that a great many of those "United fans" are actually City/Liverpool fans in disguise.
You actually started time wasting in the first ten minutes of the game. Ive no problem whatsoever how teams want to set up or tactics they use. But don't kid yourselves that you wernt timewasting.
chelsea have won the prem 5 times in 13 years, most recently last year.
How is that not longevity?
Fergie time. Yeah, it is a thing.
Winning by any means necessary - i.e Playing ugly, grinding out results and playing to the final whistle fully intent on grabbing the winner - is a philosophy that all the top teams adhere to. SAF began indoctrinating that belief in to our club the very moment he arrived, it eventually became the underlying factor to our success. That never say die attitude was imbedded in to every player who wore the shirt and I feel it is something our current team sorely lack, although I'm hoping Jose can change that long term.
We're now seeing this very same thing with City, everytime they score a late goal I can't help but think of Fergie time.
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Ok, but not really last minutes.
Yeah, I don’t doubt that some are undercover fans of other clubs but there was a thread the other week titled “Praise for rivals” or something similar and it seemed clear that some genuine United fans had perhaps gone a bit too far in bigging up City. I commented on the thread myself, saying that even I found it a bit odd.
David Silva has renewed until 2020.
https://www.mancity.com/news/first-...ember/man-city-david-silva-contract-extension
https://www.mancity.com/news/first-...ember/man-city-david-silva-contract-extension
Signing of the season.
I agree. In addition to the manager's influence on team mentality, the player themselves have to have a strong mentality to be able to get there. The players have to have that "want" mentality. Some of our players have a weaker mentality and those are the players who go missing in times when the team needs them the most! To me, that mental strength is what separates great world class players and players who have talent but never achieve that status.
They have looked great so far, but I am just thankful the sheikhs didn't buy Liverpool. I'd probably give up on football altogether if the City project was with Liverpool FC. The thought of Liverpool domination makes me sick.
I find it hard to hate anything about City - except laughing at their empty seats. I was a huge Pep fan at Barca and I like most of their players - too much class there.
I find it hard to hate anything about City - except laughing at their empty seats. I was a huge Pep fan at Barca and I like most of their players - too much class there.
There is something called FFP and don't forget PSG are on the same terms as CITYwhen it comes to money,Those two players chose Paris over Manchester for obvious reasons that the city is better to live in + the tax free income. Sanchez wanted to leave but Arsenal did not allow him to and to be frank i am not sure why Van djik wasn't signed.It is a fact that other big European clubs cannot match the wealth of The Arabs run clubs like PSG and Man city.
Does City buy better players or has Pep made them better?
Obviously both. It's not one thing explaining their performances but a sum of several elements.
Sterling is the oldest among him, Sane and Jesus. I wouldn't be surprised if the other two make similar quantum leaps, maybe already this season. Next season will be even harder to stop them than this season. Unless Pep has a meltdown and fecks off in May.
Great news for City although can't be a surprise and should help the transition for Pep to find a young dribbling midfielder to occupy that space right around the box
He's a great player, hard to think of him in any context other than with Valencia, he was sublime there but clearly a City legend in the making. He's 32 and still looks so dangerous on the ball but we may see some slow down over the next couple of years as father time catches up to all of us
Alternatively City and Pep could try something really unique and different, like say promoting and giving chances to Phil Foden, or anyone from their academy at all.
(No point in mentioning his Barca team, that was a unique crop of academy players like our class of 92', everyone would have promoted them)
They will but it would be quite unique & different to already integrate 17 & 18 year olds in Foden and Brahim - integration will occur gradually as Silva's minutes are reduced. Moreno, Roberts, Maffeo et al will need to be evaluated next summer to assess whether they are ready or there is a place for them. The good, for City, is that they have options. They have young talents on loan and within the squad plus they can go into the market and perhaps buy 1 or 2 players (CB/LB & DM).
In 2018, Yaya (35), Fernandinho (33) & Kompany (32) will all need upgrades and they've been key parts of City's recent past
Both. He can't turn shit players into good ones, but he can improve very good players further.
I guess you'd be happy had the Dildo brothers bought City instead of WHU.
The Pep effect only works on players with superior talent. You will never see Guardiola win the league with players like Cleverley and Anderson because he cannot work with these players. It would have been impossible for Leicester to win the league if Guardiola was the manager, he can only manage teams that have superior players which play into his tactics.
In the CL with Bayern you can see how it played out, it was the first time that his team was not clearly the best and he had some tactically suspect performances. Teams were not afraid of his Bayern team like they were his Barca team.
I think Guardiola will be perfect for PSG in a 2-3 years, because he will have an unlimited budget and the best team in the world. I wouldnt be surprised if he got them a CL win.
Think Bernardo will slowly replace him in the next 2 years. That's surely the plan.