So we’re adding £30m to transfer fees at random then?
Of course Jose didn’t get everything he wanted. Maybe he very publicly wanted Perisic but there would have been maybe 8/9 players in this squad Jose wanted to get rid of but can’t replace
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So we’re adding £30m to transfer fees at random then?
Of course Jose didn’t get everything he wanted. Maybe he very publicly wanted Perisic but there would have been maybe 8/9 players in this squad Jose wanted to get rid of but can’t replace
His coaching is very intense. It's highly unlikely any squad can put up with the demands for more than 4 seasons. Think it's in the air whether he does 1 more season after this or 2.
A lot will depend on how next season pans out. City usually down tools in their title defence seasons. It will be impossible to hit the heights of this season. If they don't win the PL or CL next season then he'll be gone.
Don't think he's bothered too much about the academy as he hasn't brought any of these players through. You have also bought a lot of young players so there's no places for them anyway.
Normal clubs have to pay for infrastructure and youth academy costs from what they earn. If a normal club wants to buy a club for their manager's brother in Spain they have to pay for that through their revenues while City need to ask Mansour to look under his sofa. I think your campus and youth recruitment cost around £230 million. Even Manchester United with their revenues can't do that. That is the easiest legal way you are funded by Oil Money.
Now in terms of clever accounting surely you have heard of panama and paradise papers and how if you are rich you can pretty much do whatever you want. You think Mansour and his team can't do that with their club's accounting. City's revenue growth is bigger than Real Madrid and they only have the most marketable sportsman in the whole world and won 3 of the last 4 champions leagues.
Infrastructure costs are not covered by FFP.
That is exactly my point.
So why bring it up in direct response to a question about FFP?
Infrastructure costs are not covered by FFP,but I think it should be included in their annual report, and they are still making profit this two years after paying infrastructure cost , academy cost.That mean even if FFP cover infrastructure cost
, It is not a problem for City.
The point is that City(and PSG) are still playing with a massive competitive advantage over the rest, even with FFP, because their state ownerships have far greater financial means then anyone else in the business. Thus they have more money available for the first team compared to the clubs actual means
Did i just read that Pogba cost £120m? So people are just adding 33% to a transfer fee for effect?
When it comes to the youth campus, regardless if you see it as an illegal way of funding or not, dont you think it is a better and more sustainable form of funding?
People keep talking about the state of City if Mansour left (and I don’t think will be that significant anymore), but as someone with contracting experience, I can’t really find a way for Mansour to take the campus with him.
I don’t believe one bit that United can’t make a similar investment if they wanted to. As a business based on smart financing, such investment would cost nothing. I expect it to cost around 12-14M a year, which is easily manageable.
Finally, I dont think it is fair to compare Real Madrid’s and City’s revenue growth. Real’s revenue is more mature, and already 60% above City’s so it is less likely to have significant growth leaps, but I am not sure what figure’s you are assessing. City’s latest figures relates to a 13 months year, and the perceeding year included a giant leap in broadcasting revenue and matchday revenue due to stadium expansion. During that year, commercial revenue growth was really low.
Compared to the 95m city spent on stones, 120 for pogba was a good buy
If it makes the poor dears happier to think we'll fade away soonish, let's not spoil it for them. It would be like telling a 5 year old there's no Santa. Needlessly mean.
He is correct , the agency fee for the deal is over 23m , so united paid nearly 120m for him
My bad, i meant it in euros and it was actually €110m
As for the 2nd paragraph, there's no way you and i can know what was going on in Jose's head during the transfer period. All we know is the players he said he wanted and that he went for.
No one was talking about Sheikh leaving, in fact most people believe he will never leave and keep on pumping money into the club for the foreseeable future. In 10 or so years everything will be legitimate anyway as you will have the fan base. That's a fair point that Real's revenue is more mature but the growth City have posted compared to them, us, Barcelona is staggering over the past 3-4 years even considering the maturity. You guys haven't won anything of note for the past 3 years as well which makes it even more unbelievable.
Ronetta, with comments like that I give you 5 days before a ban hammer.
Resident City fans we found your Namco (Ronetta) and he is brilliant.
Of course you forget to mention that Juventus themselves publicised that they were the one paying the agent fee, and that it was included in the total reported fee.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...et-just-62m-of-world-record-89m-transfer-fee/
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...om-transfer-to-manchester-united-say-juventus
I think talent Wise Sane is far ahead of everyone in their team ( expect maybe De bruyne). He serious has the Talent to win Ballon dor
Yeah a common tactic used by mostly Liverpool fans to explain why they have only won 1 trophy in 12 seasons
We paid £390 million for him. Inflation or something.
Wrong. Just wrong.
The best English side I've seen in years.
It's not presumptuous.
Will win the league by absolute miles.
It's not presumptuous.
Will win the league by absolute miles.
Are they using a smoke machine against Tottenham or is it just fog?
The agency fee was part of £90m, so going by your logic Pogba was actually £70m.
breathtaking going forwards. De Bruyne again delivering a master class, and Sane, wow Reminds me of a young Giggs
Wasn't the Pogba fee £89m and Juve paying the agent fee out of that? I read somewhere that if all addons are paid Lukaku will be more expensive but I don't think thats true. £89m for Pogba is a decent price looking at it now.
Spurs lucky to be only 1 nill down.
I hate to say it but Man City are awesome going forward,kudos Pep.
I hate to say it but Man City are awesome going forward,kudos Pep.
We paid pogba 89mil. To juve. Juve then paid to raiola. Facts.
Correct. Pogba cost United 89£M and Juventus received 70-something, with the rest going to agent fees. Pogba is undoubtedly our best purchase post-SAF.
Let's stay the course and build something that will match and trump man city in the mid to long term. Pressure Jose for immediate results and i fear he'll go out and look for experienced but old attackers near the end of their shelf life.
the issue with this for you guys is Jose is not a mid-long term guy. (Nor is Pep). he is more I'm here, not for the long haul and I'm winning now kind of manager.
Think Sane and Sterling's improvement from last season has gone under the radar because De Bruyne and Silva have been unbelievable.
Looks like Moyesy was a visionary after all. He called it four years ago when he said we should aspire to be like City.
Agree 100%. I love good old fasshioned wingers though
Wow...
Yes, I think both clubs will struggle somewhat when their respective managers leave, to be honest. But that's expected as they are two of the best in the world.
Is Mourinho right when he says you foul high up? Or is it just over-exuberance?
Fecking depressing.
Result or this worship of city here?
That's a concern that isn't lost on me. Even worse for me is the worry that he hasn't targeted or signed a single attacker his successor might find useful (if he decides to leave). Are we supposed to start another rebuild in 3-4 years?