He's your typical real life FM manager - you keep spending silly money until you have so many good players that it doesnt matter how well you do as a manager, you just win
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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So one shouldn't correct the other managers mistakes... Is the same not true of Jose trying to correct what he sees as moyes, lvg's mistakes, klopp fixing Rodgers and conte fixing what he thought Jose had wrong at Chelsea.
Name a winning manager who doesn't.
Their signings do worry me. I just hope they don't adjust to the premier league or something
The amount of money they are spending is crazy. Pep does seem like a manager who needs the absolute best team in the league to win something
The amount of money they are spending is crazy. Pep does seem like a manager who needs the absolute best team in the league to win something
All the others do get criticism (and rightly so) for it but Pep seemingly hasn't done yet by the English press.
Im not being thick but wouldn't you say every manager needs the best team to win. Ranieri's fluke aside.. every team who won the league was either the most expensive or 2nd most expensive in the league and most people would say were among the favourites going into it.
Pep has been slated in the press everywhere since October. Its absolutely not true he's got a free ride compared to Jose or Arsene. City fans who read City articles mainly say he gets a harder time, United fans who read mostly United articles say Jose gets a harder time. All managers bar Poch and Conte have been pretty much slaughtered by the media since christmas, even Klopp to a lesser extent and he's got a far inferior team.
Underwhelming signings. Theyre unbalanced.
Still sickens me that they've bought success with money they didn't earn or deserve, but if I were a gambling man I'd put a wedge on them winning the league next season with the way they're spending.
We've only bought one.
Think you might be missing the point here. Guardiola had a net spend of £130-140 million at Barca and £50-60 million at Bayern; so both clubs he has managed have given him good amounts of money to work with.
Simeone has made Atletico a small amount of money in his 6 years with them, Klopp had a net spend of around £50 million over the 7 years with Dortmund which was all accumulated in his last year, whereas the previous 6 years he made them roughly £10 million. Even Mourinho who is definitely a cheque book manager managed to have a net spend of £20-30 million across his time at Porto and Inter. When a manager has only won things with teams that outspend the competition it diminishes his achievements.
Guardiola is one of the best managers in the world; but there are questions behind his pedigree as a manager because he has undoubtedly had to work less than most managers to manage super clubs. When you see the success that Luis Enrique and Zinedine Zidane have had at a super club its brings a bit of doubt into your mind.
Although i think that Guardiola will win the league with city, if he doesnt then it will be all but confirmed that he is a decent manager that took advantage of his circumstances (similar to how Wenger was a good manager in his day, but in difficult circumstances he failed).
Not sure what the fuss is with his spending to be fair, they have the money and they need to replace an ageing squad, even with Silva and the keeper in, they could prob still do with a RB, CB, LB, CM. going forward they have some amount of quality, just be trying to fit them all in to a system.
Our board are the greediest one though
Would like to know their budget for this summer. Don't think it is unlimited.
Of course but Simone and klopp have had nowhere near the success pep has. They have done well with what they have. To have the level of success pep and Jose have you have to spend pep and Jose money. If klopp wants to win the league at Liverpool he'll need 300m, if Simone wants the CL he needs to spend big. Real are who they are because of the players they buy. Same with Barca, pep us one of an elite group of managers, including conte, Jose, poch, Simone etc.. what sets them apart from each other every season is who has the better team. Is Zidane better than Jose? Is he feck, but his real record is much better. Managers bring styles and the best get better out of top players but generally he who has the best 17 or 18 top players wins
Imagine if they get Sanchez That would make the best offensive team in the league by miles. Ederson seems a solid buy too.
That would make the best offensive team in the league by miles. Ederson seems a solid buy too.
Great reply.Ederson
Stones
Sterling Silva de Bruyne Fernandinho Bernardo Silva Sane
Sanchez Jesus Aguero
Stones
Sterling Silva de Bruyne Fernandinho Bernardo Silva Sane
Sanchez Jesus Aguero
Most manager don't have unlimited funds, so they try to develop the players, install a working system and try some younger players
Although im not that bothered with the signings they have or are about to make , im impressed how quick and efficient they are in the transfer market.
And don't win. Pep is no different to the special one or whoever you want. To win he needs top players, simple as. Everyone can be as salty about Bernardo Silva as they want, it is what it is and all the top managers who win buy their success. Pep, Jose even Sir Alex used his financial dominance in comparison to the other teams.
As I said name one consistently successful manager who doesn't?
Our board are the greediest one though
In truth we've been blessed with the Sheikh and Khaldoon.
Pep said he wants to develop own player and play young players. Now that things did not work at all, it seems like panic. He releases many players and buys very big. City might spend well above 200m this summer
I wonder if this spending is something of a "last roll of the dice" type deal for their owners.
People moaning about City buying players and spending big need to get a grip. We will do exactly the same... I mean we spent 90 million on Paul fecking Pogba for godsake. Everyone knew they would overhaul that team and they are replaing some of the older players with young potentially world class talent. I wish we would be that ruthless if I'm honest. People just sound so bitter it's daft.
I can't wait until Jose is brought up in every Pep discussion to validate all of this
Is this a new variant on the 'when the sheikh gets bored' fantasy?
Have a look at the age profile of City's recent signings, are these short-term signings?
You'll be a newbie forever with that reasonable attitude of yours!
Yes but people cant seem to defend Pep without bringing Jose into it. While Pep is rarelly brought up in Jose's discussions. It's either Conte or Sir Alex but hardly ever Pep. Jose is brought up more times than Pellegrini!
Probably because the ridiculous assertion made in Pep threads don't get made in other managers' threads?
I'll be sure to find a suitable comparison if anyone suggests Klopp or Pochettino is a fraud.
Pep is spending big, but people are overlooking the ages of the players he's bringing in. Not all of them are young but many are: Stones (23), Jesus (20), Sane (21), Silva (22) and looks they will be getting Ederson (23). The players they are also linked with are also young - Fabinho, Mendy etc.
He's stockpiling Man City with youth. Of course Man City's spine is long due for rejuvenating really and has traditionally been Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva and Aguero. Pep is completely revamping the spine of the team in what looks like will be 2 summer windows. It's a big job, and we've been doing it ourselves with varying success since Fergie retired. If Mourinho signs 4/5 players this summer all first teamers then we've had drastic changes to our squad too. The arguments over money whilst legit, are also hollow because we will looking to spend big money these days (so it's also hypocritical), and that's the way football is now. If Pep can accelerate the building of his team by utilising the resources at his disposal, why shouldn't he? Should he deliberately spread out the expenditure over multiple windows to make it look better?
That's the reality of it, and they are building smartly as you'd expect them to. A young team full of crazy potential for the future. So despite what people think it's not just chequebooking for instant success, but having a methodological approach too. However there is a flaw to this approach in that they will stifle the progression of all these youngsters they've spent time recruiting (many using dirty tactics) to their academy. I feel sorry for these youngsters but hopefully this will increase the influx of top talents into our academy instead.
Edit: Also Pep is under pressure to deliver something next season. As it stands Mourinho is 'winning the race'.
He's stockpiling Man City with youth. Of course Man City's spine is long due for rejuvenating really and has traditionally been Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva and Aguero. Pep is completely revamping the spine of the team in what looks like will be 2 summer windows. It's a big job, and we've been doing it ourselves with varying success since Fergie retired. If Mourinho signs 4/5 players this summer all first teamers then we've had drastic changes to our squad too. The arguments over money whilst legit, are also hollow because we will looking to spend big money these days (so it's also hypocritical), and that's the way football is now. If Pep can accelerate the building of his team by utilising the resources at his disposal, why shouldn't he? Should he deliberately spread out the expenditure over multiple windows to make it look better?
That's the reality of it, and they are building smartly as you'd expect them to. A young team full of crazy potential for the future. So despite what people think it's not just chequebooking for instant success, but having a methodological approach too. However there is a flaw to this approach in that they will stifle the progression of all these youngsters they've spent time recruiting (many using dirty tactics) to their academy. I feel sorry for these youngsters but hopefully this will increase the influx of top talents into our academy instead.
Edit: Also Pep is under pressure to deliver something next season. As it stands Mourinho is 'winning the race'.
He did but I'm pretty sure you can't develop players in a year. Pep is not a magician. After one season where he doesn't win the league and things don't work out at all according to you. Double standards, be realistic.
Dont change your argument btw, name the manager
There was nothing ridiculous about his criticisms this summer. Pointing to Jose validates nothing but it kept coming up.
Pep would get a lot more shit if Jose wasn't in England right now
There's tons of Pep comparisons on the Jose threads. Jose is brought up more the Pellegrini because I'm pretty sure everyone is clear Pellers wasn't a top level manager.
Bullshit, Pep gets alot of shit based on his season regardless. You just started complaining about Jose being brought up in Pep threads and than brought him in yourself.
He's honestly not. Even LVG has been brought up more times than Pep.
But Jose this, he's above Jose so he's doing something right that.. Its a constant excuse.
Every single time. I typed my point before I read this entire page and I honestly didn't see Jose has already been brought into it!
I wouldn't put Pep and JM in the same league. Jose can bring huge underdogs to CL successes like Inter and Porto. His Real Madrid managed to beat the greatest team to the league. Pep won with the best team ever, which Luis Enrique did better with the treble, proving that it wasn't too hard. This was the same Luis Enrique that struggled in Roma. As for the Bayern job, its a piss easy job. To clarify, i'm not saying Pep is a mediocre job but i honestly think he has a lot more to prove with City before i put him on the same pedestal with JM.
Last time Ill bring it up but search Pep and Jose and nothing but pages of Manchester City threads and Pep discussion shitshows show up inbetween rate the top 6 sides etc.
I haven't found a Jose discussion thread yet and I'm 4 pages through. I gave up.
I haven't found a Jose discussion thread yet and I'm 4 pages through. I gave up.
I apologize if he was brought up earlier but the only place I've seen his name is in my posts where I lumped him in with Sir Alex, Conte, Klopp and all managers of that level. Basically saying all top managers are the same and Pep is no different. No reason to put Pelligrini in there as he's far from a top manager.