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Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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If he gets an offer at a decent club where he will play alot he'll go. I think if Mancini joins Zenit he might go there, especially given his agent. If not he'll stay for another season, he's already said play time is more important to him than money. Regardless of where he goes he'll be taking a pay cut bar China and he won't go there. I can see him signing a 100kish contract with us for a season if a CL team don't come in (which I wouldn't mind) but if he gets a decent offer of first team football he's outta here
Oh just saw this, looks like Khaldoon and Sheikh are more unhappy with Pep than I thought, certainly something to think about.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10898443/city-targeting-worlds-best
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10898443/city-targeting-worlds-best
They've left out the bit where Khaldoon said he's happy with where the team is heading under Pep.
Not that these interviews with Khaldoon at the end of the season are anything other than PR exercises.
Shame for him. Caballero has been good for City.
Yup, certainly better than bravo and harts last 3 seasons.
So i guess he wants playing time, knowing he can be a really good goalie on his day.
Pep has failed this season, hence why he'll throw money at it, maybe win the league and be dubbed great. When infact he will have done nothing remarkable.
BTW, one of City's guys on twitter, Sammy Lee?, he chats some tripe him. Convincing himself Mbappe, Sanchez, Walker, Mendy, Bonucci are all going there. No way pal. Dont think Alexis or Bonucci will, not convinced Mendy is as done as he reckons either. L'Equipe say he will go to them or Chelsea as they're well in for him too, but sammy lee seems to think all these players tell their clubs they want to go to City. Utter bs Seems to overjump things
BTW, one of City's guys on twitter, Sammy Lee?, he chats some tripe him. Convincing himself Mbappe, Sanchez, Walker, Mendy, Bonucci are all going there. No way pal. Dont think Alexis or Bonucci will, not convinced Mendy is as done as he reckons either. L'Equipe say he will go to them or Chelsea as they're well in for him too, but sammy lee seems to think all these players tell their clubs they want to go to City. Utter bs Seems to overjump things
course theyll win it if they throw money at the issue. Still wont convince me that Pep is the worlds best.
To bad i am not on twitter,would spam the shit out of that Henry Winter guy. He was drumming about City`s academy every single time on Sunday Supplement,sometimes he sounded like he was on their payroll. Funny enough every time he was a guest,a cross of him he had some other guy (dont know his name,Newcastle fan) who was making fun of his bs and trying to talk some sense to him.
How good is Ederson in the air? He's only 6'1. If he is a Julio Cesar style keeper, he's fecked in the EPL where aerial presence is essential.
I wonder if Cassio from Corinthians will eventually go to Europe. Beast in the air.
I wonder if Cassio from Corinthians will eventually go to Europe. Beast in the air.
The biggest question is: is he good with his feet?
Doesn't matter. You're the best if you win consistently so if he wins the PL he'll be one of few who's done it.
Yeah. I think he'll possibly head for home or some lower half Spanish team where he'll play more often than not. Was only on 1/4 of bravos reported 100k too.
Well, it looks like City are going full out to support Pep, go and get whatever player he thinks he needs for his system.
The problem is, if he doesn't win anything major next season, then I think he will get the sack.
The pressure will really be on now, as he has now chosen his players, not trying a makeshift team as in the last season.
The problem is, if he doesn't win anything major next season, then I think he will get the sack.
The pressure will really be on now, as he has now chosen his players, not trying a makeshift team as in the last season.
The way City are going this Summer, and if the names we're linked with comes our way - then I can see the Champions League trophy heading to Manchester next year.
So winning CL, league and reaching the CL for the 2nd time in as many years isn't a valid gauge of his coaching acumen but his youth level coaching record is? I hope you see the fallacies in your logic here.
Not a hope even if we at City get all our tagets, Real are still man for man far superior and have much more depth. Juve are stronger too. Barca and Bayern are easily above us too.
You can't buy winning mentality though. The way they lost to Monaco this year (on paper inferior side) makes me think we're more likely to see City either bottling against team like Monaco/PSG/Roma/Napoli or losing comfortably to Real/Barca/Bayern/Juve than them reaching the final, nevermind winning the CL. And Pep's record post Barca is 0/4
Just so I understand the convoluted logic on how a coach is deemed excellent - Pep wins every trophy there is to win in his first season in the first division with Barcelona but it's because he has the best player despite having promoted a cellar dwelling 4th division B team the season before - all the while, winning with a distinctive style of play & tactics. Zidane's tenure with the castilla cannot be deemed anything other than controversial from not having the proper badges to not succeeding on the pitch with wins or any sort of style of play - nevemind the failure to develop/promote any of the youth players. Let's also not forget that when Zidane trained to be a coach, he spent time learning & observing how Guardiola trains
So RM winning under Zizou is less a confirmation of his coaching accumen than being good at managing a group of stars - it's one aspect of being a good coach but does not equate to being an innovator or tactician. RM aren't playing any differently, tactically, than before. They are not involving youth or there hasn't been a change in the contributions of any single player due to Zidane. He hasn't even gotten the advantage over their rivals Barcelona in head to head.
So how is it possible to be considered in the same breath as Pep in terms of coaching when clearly he's not
The thrust of my OP incidentally was that Lucho did not inherit a team just coming off the domination under Pep - there was a 3 year lull in between. The Zidane is same as Pep assertion just was insult to injury
Zidane is not the same as Pep. Not at all. Totally different styles and ways of winning. Zidane is just Zidane. But that's not a bad thing for him as a coach. The Frenchman is on the verge of greatness of his own so there is no need of comparisons.
Way too soon to make this statement. It's not as if Juve, Bayern and the Spanish Giants are not going to add pieces of their own (without being charged Premiership premium I might add).
Even with the players Pep has added and is linked to, I don't see City beating Juve or Real over 2 legs next season.
No, Real and Barca are well known for their bargains, like Bale for 100m, Neymar for 80m and 43m for some 16 year old who has only played one game.
Really pleased with the new home kit after the last few. I've found Nike to be below par compared to Umbro but this one I can get on board with. Might even buy it.
So City are the 5th most valuable team in football, off course they are.
Back at Malaga?
I seriously doubt that. Still a long way to challenge either RM, Barça, Juve or Bayern
You might be right. You are of course welcome to come to OT to see it as that's the closest any Blue is ever going to get to it.
I know, ridiculous isn't it. Citeh and their petro-dollars, sugar-daddy play-thing (when will he get bored?). Never mind the empty seats and dodgy sponsorships, what about FFP? I have never seen a City shirt in Mumbai, Milton Keynes or Minnesota. What sort of two-bit company would value them 5th in the world?
Most amusing thing is that by trying to be satirical you actually nailed it.
Indeed, he did a fantastic job.
Just need namco for an objective opinion.
City just signed Éderson for 40 million euros according to the portuguese media. They have direct quotes from him so it shouldn't be long before it's official
The only thing that will be interesting to see is the final transfer spend at the end of the window.
You'll be delighted to know that we've just sold Enes Unal to Villarreal for £12 million and he doesn't even appear on that list you quoted. What's even funnier is that he hasn't played a single first team game for us and we've made about £10 million profit on him. And if he happens to smash it up, we've got that covered as well because we've inserted a buy back clause of around £17.5 million into the deal.
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He'll have to get a shift on. Friday is the last day of the half-term holiday and he'll have to hand his pc back to mummy
He'll just turn it into some rubbish about us neglecting youth. Best not to feed the troll.
Good deal for us though I'm slightly disappointed as the kid has potential. Happy for the buy back clause, maybe in a couple of years when Sergio moves on when will bring him back. If Iheanacho moves on too for the proposed £26m that will cover Bernardo Silva's fee pretty much though I think we should push for £30m for him.
More than 200 mil, imo.
Good to see you back - thought we'd lost you for a spell there.
Manchester City's ambition is to win the quadruple in what chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak says will be "a massive year" for the club next season.
In boss Pep Guardiola's debut campaign, City came third in the Premier League, made the FA Cup semi-finals and reached the Champions League last 16 this year.
"Pep wants to win it all and that's what I love about him most because that's how I feel too," Mubarak said.
"We might not be able to achieve it but I can assure you we're going to try."
He added: "That ambition of winning the Champions League, that dream excites me every day, knowing we can do it.
"Next year is going to be a massive year for us. Expectations are high, ambitions are high. I have a lot of hope that we're going to come back next season very strong.
"The dream of doing the treble, yes. I want to do the treble, or else let's go for the quadruple! Why not?"
The only English club to have earned four trophies in one season is Manchester United, who won the Community Shield, League Cup, Premier League and Club World Cup over the 2008-09 campaign.
Next season City will be competing for four trophies - the Premier League, FA Cup, EFL Cup and Champions League.
Since the league season ended, they have already completed a deal to sign attacking midfielder Bernardo Silva from Monaco for £43m, while Benfica goalkeeper Ederson Moraes is also set to join.
"We're on the right track," Mubarak added.
"We have a great manager, we're all working behind him, supporting him. We are going to do our work this summer. The trajectory is right and I'm very optimistic.
"We should have that aspiration. I have it, no doubt. Sheikh Mansour [owner] drives me for it every day, but you look at the organisation and you see it in Pep's eyes and in everybody within our group."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40111843
They will probably never win the Treble not to mind the Quadruple.
In boss Pep Guardiola's debut campaign, City came third in the Premier League, made the FA Cup semi-finals and reached the Champions League last 16 this year.
"Pep wants to win it all and that's what I love about him most because that's how I feel too," Mubarak said.
"We might not be able to achieve it but I can assure you we're going to try."
He added: "That ambition of winning the Champions League, that dream excites me every day, knowing we can do it.
"Next year is going to be a massive year for us. Expectations are high, ambitions are high. I have a lot of hope that we're going to come back next season very strong.
"The dream of doing the treble, yes. I want to do the treble, or else let's go for the quadruple! Why not?"
The only English club to have earned four trophies in one season is Manchester United, who won the Community Shield, League Cup, Premier League and Club World Cup over the 2008-09 campaign.
Next season City will be competing for four trophies - the Premier League, FA Cup, EFL Cup and Champions League.
Since the league season ended, they have already completed a deal to sign attacking midfielder Bernardo Silva from Monaco for £43m, while Benfica goalkeeper Ederson Moraes is also set to join.
"We're on the right track," Mubarak added.
"We have a great manager, we're all working behind him, supporting him. We are going to do our work this summer. The trajectory is right and I'm very optimistic.
"We should have that aspiration. I have it, no doubt. Sheikh Mansour [owner] drives me for it every day, but you look at the organisation and you see it in Pep's eyes and in everybody within our group."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40111843
They will probably never win the Treble not to mind the Quadruple.