Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

How many of those sprints are us attacking and how many are of us pressing, would be interested to see. I’d imagine the majority of those come from our front 3 and they get rotated the most in the side.

I think kdb was top and was also the player who covered most distance in the cl.
 
Moisture makes the turf even better for quick slick passing. It's a dry surface that makes it tough to move the ball.

A wet PL surface should just move slightly quicker because the water should drain away quickly but a poor pitch would become slower as it gets wet because the water would sit on the surface. In theory if the balls moving even quicker it’ll take better players to move it around at that speed, but equally the opposition would find it harder to retain the ball against a higher pressing side. The impact would be minimal at this level I’d imagine.

That's what I thought too. Cheers guys !
 
So they're getting a BTS Amazon Prime series

Say what you want about them as a club, but I'd love it if United were more willing to do some of this kind of stuff. I'd take a website renovation for christ's sake.
Rumours that it’s £24m across 3 years. If it’s that kind of funding then I suspect others will very soon follow quickly with similarly lucrative deals. I’m looking forward to watching.

I know people are sceptical of some of our commercial sponsors (although £40m a year for stadium AND shirt is peanuts these days despite links to Etihad), but I do think our management team are very effective at bringing in sponsors, it’s been happening consistently for years now and it shows in our latest numbers. Even removing middle-east sponsors we’d carry a very healthy revenue these days.

Edit: Worth noting our stadium and shirt sponsor is due a change this summer with the 10-year agreement now up. Interesting to see where that goes, or whether Etihad sign a bigger deal.
 
Rumours that it’s £24m across 3 years. If it’s that kind of funding then I suspect others will very soon follow quickly with similarly lucrative deals. I’m looking forward to watching.

I know people are sceptical of some of our commercial sponsors (although £40m a year for stadium AND shirt is peanuts these days despite links to Etihad), but I do think our management team are very effective at bringing in sponsors, it’s been happening consistently for years now and it shows in our latest numbers. Even removing middle-east sponsors we’d carry a very healthy revenue these days.

Edit: Worth noting our stadium and shirt sponsor is due a change this summer with the 10-year agreement now up. Interesting to see where that goes, or whether Etihad sign a bigger deal.


Its only natural the more success City have the more big names players they have that it will become easier to attract more sponsors but I like many others take no notice of City's commercial success given where most of it originates from.
 
Its only natural the more success City have the more big names players they have that it will become easier to attract more sponsors but I like many others take no notice of City's commercial success given where most of it originates from.

think most of it originates from TV and non Middle Eastern sponsorship now.
 
As a City ST holder for the last 30 years, Roy Keane's comments the other week about City having a propensity to mess things up brought a wry smile to my face - I couldn't disagree with him. I don't think many long standing blues would argue that we never seem to do things the easy way. Times are changing, but certainly from the blues I speak to, our fans are far from getting carried away

That doesn't mean we aren't excited - my jaw has been on the floor with some of the football we have played this season. If a fan isn't excited with the number of goals/points we have accumulated, together with the style of play, there's something wrong. But there's a huge difference between being excited and assuming winning the league, let alone the Champions League, is a foregone conclusion

The media response to results this season has been more pantomime than ever. Just a few weeks ago, according to the press, United were going to win the league, Lukaku was going to be a golden boot winning £75M bargain, City had defensive frailties, etc. Now, Lukaku is a flop, Jose can't take the pressure and everyone is just fighting for second place behind a city team they may as well give the trophy to now. It's all patently nonsense

We do look like we have more grit and substance compared to last season and we have coped surprisingly well with the injury to Mendy considering the lack of specialist back up and the importance the system places on FBs. I actually think it's the team spirit that has been one of the most impressive things about us this season. But an inury / suspension problem with Fernandinho, especially given his age, is certainly a worry as is the general lack of depth defensively - Ottomendi is suspended after the yellow card against Arsenal and the back up assuming Kompany isn't back is either Mangala (great attitude but nowhere near good enough) or playing a FB. Bravo put in a great performance in the cup the other night but I wouldn't fancy a run of games in the league with him in goal if Ederson picks up an injury. The longer the season goes on, the more people can study ways of beating us. Point being, we are unquestionably playing some of the best football in Europe right now but you still only get 3 points for a win, lots can change and surely in modern times, given their experience, nobody appreciates it's a marathon not a sprint more than United fans ?



I was the same last season when we went on to win the title (Chelsea Fan) didn't want too say we would definitely win the title but the feeling was there from November that we would and I did feel quietly confident. When its your own team you don't want to speak too soon in case anything goes wrong or get carried away because you look at previous experience. Realistically though from a Neutral point of view, yourselves are the only thing that can mess up your chances i.e. if you implode.  


Not much between United, City & Spurs I don't think and they will most definitely make up the top 4. Spurs have the best chance of challenging due to there style of play they tend to only need a goal or 2 to win games. But between united city and Chelsea it could go anyway IMO.  

Squad, style and chemistry your quite a bit above all the other teams and if Gundogan can stay fit that will be an even bigger boost.
 
So they're getting a BTS Amazon Prime series

Say what you want about them as a club, but I'd love it if United were more willing to do some of this kind of stuff. I'd take a website renovation for christ's sake.

I suppose it depends on the content. If a lot of it is "filler" and cheesy stuff then I don't see much point. I'm looking forward to it though but I'm sceptical about how it will keep viewers interested. I heard Sky were a bit miffed about Amazon doing this, and you have to wonder how much match footage, if any, will be allowed to be used in light of that.

As for United's website, yeah it could definitely do with a makeover. I think it's become a bit of a running joke amongst United fans. For my sins, I actually have to access it from time to time due to a moonlighting venture of mine which I won't go into (it doesn't actually involve working for the club or attending any United games before anyone asks lol), and even though I'm only after the dates of fixtures and kick-off times I don't think the format has changed in more than a decade. Then again, City's revamped website is utter shite to be fair and not a patch on the previous incarnation.
 
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To go unbeaten isn't such a great achievement for me unless it is coupled with going unbeaten in the CL.

But this coud be a relevant question to discuss if City are unbeaten after 31 games, not after 11. They were unbeaten after 13-14 games season 11-12 and still managed to lose 5 games in the next 25 games.
 
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To go unbeaten isn't a great achievement for me unless it is coupled with going unbeaten in the CL.

Not that I think we can go unbeaten in the league all season for one minute, I think any team that can avoid defeat for 38 consecutive league games has pulled of an enormous achievement regardless of what they do in the CL.
 
To go unbeaten isn't such a great achievement for me unless it is coupled with going unbeaten in the CL.

But this coud be a relevant question to discuss if City are unbeaten after 31 games, not after 11. They were unbeaten after 13-14 games season 11-12 and still managed to lose 5 games in the next 25 games.

Some pretty high standards you got :) Doubt City will go unbeaten, since, at least in my opinion, that's a huge achievement. There's always that one game where everything goes against you.
 
Not that I think we can go unbeaten in the league all season for one minute, I think any team that can avoid defeat for 38 consecutive league games has pulled of an enormous achievement regardless of what they do in the CL.

Surely, it is some achievement. But winning the title is all that matters. For me winning the title with record points total would be more impressive than avoiding a defeat.

If a given team has a big lead, say 12 pts, not losing a game isn't that important if it continues to play in the CL. Winning the title and going far in the CL is more important than just winning the title without losing a game. One of the reasons why United never did it under Fergie was that United used to reach far in the CL.
 
The Invincibles lost 2 games already in the CL group (one of them 0:3 from Inter at home, the other from Kiev away) and suffered another loss vs pre-Jose Chelsea. It was a great achievement to not lose in the PL but in the grand scheme of things they are not a patch on the greatest club sides who lost games but won the European cup/CL.
 
I just hope they don't go unbeaten in the league now, as they are clearly winning it.

I think people are getting a little carried away. Pep has had superior teams to this City side and never gone unbeaten.

Also if they are to win the league as convincingly as everyone ( including myself) seems to believe. I think it will make it easier for them to lose a match around March / April as his Bayern sides did when they had it wrapped up.
 
Not that I think we can go unbeaten in the league all season for one minute, I think any team that can avoid defeat for 38 consecutive league games has pulled of an enormous achievement regardless of what they do in the CL.
It might be a bit of an achievement but there's been a lot better pl winning teams.
 
Welcome back. We haven't a hope of going unbeaten. I don't think we'll get to Christmas unbeaten nevermind the season.
Thanks. I apologize for my bad words about your supporters. I just feel the heat of the game too much.

When are you playing Tottenham? I know United are in december.
 
Thanks. I apologize for my bad words about your supporters. I just feel the heat of the game too much.

When are you playing Tottenham? I know United are in december.

City vs Tottenham is on December 16th, less than a week after we play United. If we can get through those two without losing, I'll start to think about winning the league, but I don't see us going unbeaten. We'd most likely come close before losing 1-0 to Southampton on the final day knowing City ;).
 
City vs Tottenham is on December 16th, less than a week after we play United. If we can get through those two without losing, I'll start to think about winning the league, but I don't see us going unbeaten. We'd most likely come close before losing 1-0 to Southampton on the final day knowing City ;).
Tottenham away or at home?
 
Its only natural the more success City have the more big names players they have that it will become easier to attract more sponsors but I like many others take no notice of City's commercial success given where most of it originates from.

I hope it makes you feel better. If we were to win the league, I suggest you take no notice of that either.
 
To go <the whole season> unbeaten isn't such a great achievement for me

You're right. I happens all the time and since Arsenal managed it, there's hardly any competition any more anyway. It's surprising it doesn't happen every season really.

:rolleyes:
 
You're right. I happens all the time and since Arsenal managed it, there's hardly any competition any more anyway. It's surprising it doesn't happen every season really.

:rolleyes:

The aim is to win the title. Not losing a single game is rare but this is partly because it isn't necessary to win the title. United lost 3 league games when we won the treble in 99 and 5 games when we won the double in 08. Any of these teams is regarded as better than the Invincibles. For my money, Chelsea had a better team when they broke the record for most points in 2005 as well. What's the point of going unbeaten in the league if the price is getting beaten in the CL?

Barca lost 5 league games when they won the treble in 2009. They lost 2 league games when they won the CL in 11. You know what, they are a far better team than the "Invincibles". Give the latter the chance to play in a CL final at the expense of getting beaten in the league and they will bite your hand off.

That said, going unbeaten the whole season in the league is a great achievement, I didn't express myself well. The invincibles are one of the great teams in the PL era, no doubt about it.
 
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Thanks. I apologize for my bad words about your supporters. I just feel the heat of the game too much.

When are you playing Tottenham? I know United are in december.

No worries mate. Its good to have you back. Footballs an emotional game.

The same week as the united game we play spurs.think its united and Swansea away spurs at home.
 
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It might be a bit of an achievement but there's been a lot better pl winning teams.

Wow! So if we were to go all season unbeaten (we won't) you'd consider it a "bit of an achievement"?

Some of our fans are getting a little spoilt! :confused:
 
Wow! So if we were to go all season unbeaten (we won't) you'd consider it a "bit of an achievement"?

Some of our fans are getting a little spoilt! :confused:
I'm talking about Arsenal's invincible"s. There's a fair few better team's than them over the PL years. To many draws which they played for just to get over the line unbeaten.
 
So they're getting a BTS Amazon Prime series

Say what you want about them as a club, but I'd love it if United were more willing to do some of this kind of stuff. I'd take a website renovation for christ's sake.

In terms of getting with the digital times City are ahead of us. Their website and accounts on Social Platforms (YouTube etc), are far better than ours. This is a good move for them.
 
No worries mate. Its good to have you back. Footballs an emotional game.

The same week as the united game we play spurs.think its united and Swansea away spurs at home.
Yeah, read it above. Key moment of the season, imo.
 
In terms of getting with the digital times City are ahead of us. Their website and accounts on Social Platforms (YouTube etc), are far better than ours. This is a good move for them.

We are always ahead of the curve. If we aren't doing these things it's obviously due to there being little value in it for us. We don't struggle to sell tickets, & having 600 Milllion fans means our profile is high enough.
 
We are always ahead of the curve. If we aren't doing these things it's obviously due to there being little value in it for us. We don't struggle to sell tickets, & having 600 Milllion fans means our profile is high enough.

Of course there is value in us increasing our online prescence.
 
Our social media is a joke. We're so complacent

No wonder Jose is frustrated with the corporate set up and infrastructure of the club.
 
Of course there is value in us increasing our online prescence.

We posted record revenues without even being in the CL. We are a money making juggernaut. No PL team comes close to generating the revenues we do. I think we have to trust the men at the top as they've proved it time & again.
 
I just hope they don't go unbeaten in the league now, as they are clearly winning it.

Who cares about unbeaten, it’s the points that matter. Arsenal does not have the highest points tally in the PL-era, Chelsea under Mourinho does - a much more impressive feat. You could go unbeaten and relegate, in theory. Go 95 points and you win the league, beaten a few times on the way if you want to.
 
Of course there is value in us increasing our online prescence.
We posted record revenues without even being in the CL. We are a money making juggernaut. No PL team comes close to generating the revenues we do. I think we have to trust the men at the top as they've proved it time & again.

You can view that argument both ways. Perhaps you've made the revenues you have despite the men at the top, rather than because of the men at the top. Put another way, only an idiot would have failed to make money out of United when they dominated the English game the way they did, at a time English football was exploding both in financial & worldwide exposure terms, with the players, manager, history, etc that United had/have.

But others are catching up and for younger fans & players alike, United's history, in relative terms, is not the draw it was 10 years ago. As a club, you are competing on more of a level playing field with other clubs than you once were. So getting ready for the social media revenues that will become more & more important is vital. Complacency, which respectfully is how I see your post, is great for us fans of other clubs, but could become a significant problem for you in years to come

From the need for women's teams to youtube channels, modern website to online gamers, the world is changing and today's youth, who are tomorrows fans, will be unrecognisable in their habits in another generation's time.
 
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Who cares about unbeaten, it’s the points that matter. Arsenal does not have the highest points tally in the PL-era, Chelsea under Mourinho does - a much more impressive feat. You could go unbeaten and relegate, in theory. Go 95 points and you win the league, beaten a few times on the way if you want to.
That's true. Just kidding to save our unbeaten record :p