I don't think the club has that edge back in 2005 when we had fergie, who ripped up his clipboard and started again because the way Mourinho had blown everyone away between 2004-06. Is Mourinho going to reinvent himself? like fergie done to get back to the top, that I have my doubts
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I don't think the club has that edge back in 2005 when we had fergie, who ripped up his clipboard and started again because the way Mourinho had blown everyone away between 2004-06. Is Mourinho going to reinvent himself? like fergie done to get back to the top, that I have my doubts
The thing about Pep is how perfectly the players move. I don´t know whether he has a special gift in terms of identifying not only great technical, but also super smart players. The off-ball movement is poetry in motion. Besides endless hours of practice that requires a great reading and understanding of the game. That´s why they are so good beating up on bad teams, they can tear a bus apart with their great movement off the ball.
To beat them I think long-balls are not a bad idea and then pressing super-high to force their defenders into errors. Peps best defense is keeping the ball away from his defenders. So hoof it over midfield, instead of trying to outplay their press, and then jump on the defenders. Problem is it wears you down to have so little of the ball.
To beat them I think long-balls are not a bad idea and then pressing super-high to force their defenders into errors. Peps best defense is keeping the ball away from his defenders. So hoof it over midfield, instead of trying to outplay their press, and then jump on the defenders. Problem is it wears you down to have so little of the ball.
No manager has proven to do that except Fergie. Most managers today are simply cheque book managers at the top clubs. You lot won the title with players like Gibson, Brown, O'Shea Fabio (this was even the midfield who beat us once ffs!
) playing long stretches of the season, no other manager could have done that. If Fergie was here it'd be cert that United would win the league next season, he'd make sure of it.I am not sure that's the same with JM.
They all deep down want their club to go back were it was pre-Arab.
No manager has proven to do that except Fergie. Most managers today are simply cheque book managers at the top clubs. You lot won the title with players like Gibson, Brown, O'Shea Fabio (this was even the midfield who beat us once ffs!
I am not sure that's the same with JM.
Thats the unfortunate reality of the situation and the blessing at same time I suspect pep is same in that regard soon as things becomes sour (i.e reinvest in the team) he will be off. I mean look at Barcelona and look at Bayern off soon as he had too reinvest in the team.
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Yeah, about Fergie, his answer to toppling Mou's chelsea was...signing Cristiano and Rooney when they were 18 and waiting for them to come good
Saw a video of these guys taking the piss out of us singing ‘Park the bus, park the bus, park the bus’ in the dressing room after the Spurs game.
That Barcelona team that he left in 2012 under Villanova dropped a grand total of two points in the first half of La Liga, winning it in October as far as i can recall. They looked quite a lot like City does now. Then he got his cancer diagnosis and things went somewhat south. I'd hardly call that a team in need of reinvestment.
I must have imagined the Class of 92
Good post
Very funny. Even more so when you consider there's not a single Mancunian present..
Very smalltime. And before our residents City fans chime in about the Europa League Final..
1) It was a European final
2) Lingard is a local lad. Easy to understand why he dislikes City
3) You'd won a regular premier league game
Lingard's antics might have been a tad thoughtless given what had happened in the city just before however given the occasion it's easy to see why he started singing what is a classic United song. Your bunch of nobbers have just made a anti United song up and decided to post a video singing it after getting three points in a league game.
Embarrassing.
They were signed before Mou's Chelsea.
So is Phil Foden. Warrington is pushing it bigtime for "local" imo
Of course it is, to a United fan. That's why you've tried so hard to come up with all those reasons as to why it's fine when United do it but not City. Personally I couldn't care less what Lingard does, the goblin faced weirdo.
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Rubbish post.
It definitely wasn't developing those two into the players they became along with buying and developing players like Vidic, Evra, buying VdS, moulding scholes into a new role, getting rio to his peak etc. and generally managing a team brilliantly.
Nah it was just signings two kids.
I suppose a great plan would have involved signing all the most expensive players in the world when your rivals are winning everything. That takes a true genius.
Ah first team regular Phil Foden. Come on now. You're about as Manchester as your owners. Some 17 year old you only heard of this year doesn't change that.
The points I've raised are valid. United won a trophy and were singing songs, City won a league game. Speaks volumes.
Marcus Rashford. There you go.
I'm sure Giggs' brother doesn't see him as a class act.
Anyone classing Warrington as local needs to go back to school to re-sit their geography GCSE. That’s assuming you’re not still at school. I have my doubts, especially as you’re calling a nursery rhyme a classic United chant. What next? Hickory Dickory Dock?
I must admit, considering how small a club City are and the lengths some United fans go to tell us they don’t care about City, you’ve got more songs that reference us than you have about any other club, including the scousers.
Oh, and it wasn’t the players that made up the Park the bus chant.
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Who said Rashford wasn’t local? I’m getting confused now.
They're still so small time.
That was my point
The point is he didn't do anything new for him, or in general. He signed the right players, some of those before Chelsea hired Mourinho, developed them and once he felt they were ready he turned the team over to them. It was the same thing he did with the class of 92, only because he didn't have a bunch of talents coming up through the academy at the same time, the rebuild took a bit longer
Rubbish post.
It definitely wasn't developing those two into the players they became along with buying and developing players like Vidic, Evra, buying VdS, moulding scholes into a new role, getting rio to his peak etc. and generally managing a team brilliantly.
Nah it was just signings two kids.
I suppose a great plan would have involved signing all the most expensive players in the world when your rivals are winning everything. That takes a true genius.
If martial and rashford and pogba turn into top 10 players in the world next season, Mourinho will have a pretty good chance of beating city to the title for example. You could say it's mourinho's job to help them reach that level, sure. It is. But that's not what i'd call ripping up the clipboard and starting from scratch. That's what Mourinho did last season. What Ferguson did when he first took over at United
What on earth
Lazy post, just expanded on it
I posted that before your explanation showed up, sorry. I still think it's unfair to say that's all he did. Sir Alex changed with the times - he didn't just wait for a few players to reach their potential.
"All he did" was rebuild the team into the best side in the world(and imho, PL history)
The lazy post comment was about my post you quoted btw
My point was in response to people claiming Mourinho's chelsea spurred Ferguson into some kind of personal revolution -when it clearly didn't- or that it was the fire he needed to do it -as if otherwise he'd have sat on his arse while two of the best players of the last 20 years were coming of age and ready to take over the world...
PS yes, the ability to adapt and change with the times is why he was still great after 25 years on the same job
My post was admittedly lazy, too. I've not had any sleep yet sorting out christmassy stuff so I'm not all there in the head at the moment.
I see where you're coming from, and I agree to an extent as he was never for sitting on his behind letting the world pass him by, but I do think Mourinho taking the league by storm did push him to go %200 rather than his standard %150. Like how Messi and Ronaldo are constantly pushing eachother despite already being driven individuals. Or Goku and Vegeta.
My post was admittedly lazy, too. I've not had any sleep yet sorting out christmassy stuff so I'm not all there in the head at the moment.
I see where you're coming from, and I agree to an extent as he was never for sitting on his behind letting the world pass him by, but I do think Mourinho taking the league by storm did push him to go %200 rather than his standard %150. Like how Messi and Ronaldo are constantly pushing eachother despite already being driven individuals. Or Goku and Vegeta.
He adapted as everyone said. I doubt it had anything to do with jose particularly. SAF was just a master of league title winnings. He faced a lot of new kids and always got the last laugh.
One of the important things he did with jose's chelsea was he upped his team's fitness and intensity in the first half as well as 2nd half when he usually didn't in previous seasons to catch them and jose imploded himself next season pretty early.
Remember that in 2005-2006 2nd half, we were in a very very good run which almost kept up with Chelsea till the end. So our form carried on to next season where we won the title.
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What does that even mean? It's just something spouted by football fans when they don't like whatever their rivals are doing.They're still so small time.
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United fans have been singing that chant for decades at every game home/away. This bus one has been made up specifically about United the other week. If you can't see the difference then I give up.
Lingard was born in Warrington but played at Fletcher Moss in Manchester as a kid then signed at United at the age of 8.
It's not difficult to confuse you let's be honest!
Awwww, diddums. I'm really sorry that you're so offended by said chant - I feel a right twat now for singing it at the derby the other week
Other than the historical context you've given, what exactly is the difference then?
Other than the historical context you've given, what exactly is the difference then?
Perhaps he'd have been happier if the players had sung a more historical chant about United - one that we've been singing for decades. I'm sure he wouldn't have been foaming at the mouth if they'd sang this instead:
Hark now hear the City sing
United ran away
And we will fight forever more
Because of derby day...
Look at them, being all giddy and stuff.
You like to use that word giddy a lot don't you? Funny seeing a poster who lives thousands of miles away from Old Trafford desperately trying to be a part of the crowd when spouting off about such things as small time, and empty seats, yet doesn't attend any matches himself. Regarding the latter, what makes you think you deserve to take part in that particular joke when in all probability you've attended less matches at Old Trafford than I have?
You really want to go down that path? Are you sure?
What makes you think you're the one who should tell me what I deserve or not?
Also this is a first time I think I used that word.
Oh, you've definitely used it another thread previously. And surely you can see the irony in taking the piss out of another club for non-attending fans when you don't attend matches yourself.
Ok. Tell me, since I don't attend matches cause I can't, which City related themes I'm allowed to comment?
I'm glad you keep track of my posts even better than myself.
So I guess when City weren't even a rival but Utd were mocking them with chants and banners counting years since their last trophy, that was 'big time'. But hey, if saying it makes you feel better...
Don't get personal. And be respectful. This is a United forum.
You're free to comment on whatever you want mate, just as people are free to pull you up on certain things. I'll grant you some mitigation though, considering you don't exactly live within close proximity to the ground meaning it's not exactly easy for you to get over here. Local fans who never attend matches yet go on about this kind of thing have far less of an excuse.
Quote me where I said that please.