Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Sterling had a goal and an assist today, so i guess it should be 13 goals 5 assists in 17 games.
Aguerro started today as in most of the games and made 2 goals and 1 assist. He's also a club legend, don know if he can be so easily dropped atm.
We have no need for him now, doesn't make sense to buy him in January and risk disrupting the squad when we can wait and get him for free in the summer and have a pre-season to work him into the side. The most reliable journalists for City too all seem to be saying that it looks likely we are not going to make a move until the summer.
Yup it will be in place of Sanchez. Didn't know he said that.
I think Arsenal will be desperate to sell. Your squad is pretty much perfect with perhaps the only thing needed being another CB to partner Stones long term but Otamendi has done great.
It would be crazy to sign Sanchez at the expense of Aguero. Aguero's a club legend and hasn't even declined significantly with Sanchez only being a year younger.
Let's hope United place a bid in January to force your hand then. Of course it is up to the player, but if he feels City are playing well that the manager feels he doesn't need to move for him now, then he might feel his services a wanted elsewhere more.
Kun you mean? Yeah, I was skeptical about this too but when he said this last year it began to click for me he was already thinking to add him over Aguero who he was losing trust in. He wouldn't be a static 9 or false 9 but move around that front 3 & add that dribbling into the box which City currently lack apart from D.Silva.
January will be interesting for many clubs
Shit yeah
Agreed. For as good as Sanchez is, they really don't need him.
Shit yeah
Yeah, I figured.
The alternative might be what he tried against United and play Sterling centrally while using B.Silva wide. The lack of penetration dribbling centrally into the box is the biggest void in Pep's offense but he's also never quite enjoyed the level of wide players he currently has in Sterling & Sane
I don't like Alexis as a striker but having watched him closely for 3 seasons, I'm not sure where his best position is but I do know he needs to play near the goal because he will create danger even if it's not him finishing it
100+ points looking likely.
Fecking depressing.
Fecking depressing.
But but Pep will struggle in the almighty EPl
Walking the league faster than he did any of the other leagues.
Walking the league faster than he did any of the other leagues.
He did struggle last year. This year he adapted, the money helped obviously. He is more pragmatic when he needs to be. The intensity this City team plays with is much greater than either Bayern or Barcelona and their pace is higher as well.But but Pep will struggle in the almighty EPl
Walking the league faster than he did any of the other leagues.
Agree Pep would be great anywhere but at City he has a blank chequebook to make things easier. Certainly wouldn't be embarrassing the rest of the league at Chelsea, arsenal or tottenhamBut but Pep will struggle in the almighty EPl
Walking the league faster than he did any of the other leagues.
Makes no sense for City to go for Sanchez in Jan. He’s free in summer, can’t play in the CL, and doesn’t look necessary for the league. For £30m you may as well wait.
What about the 4-0 and 82% possession was luckybout of interest fella?
Also, no ‘doping thing has one through’, some bloke on twitter revealed the shocking news that was already well known that Pep received a ban for doping in 2001.
The same twitter bod ignored the fact the ban was overturned:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/11/pep-guardiola-drug-test-appeal-brescia
He can play in the CL as he’s not played in it this year. Cup tie doesn’t carry From Europa to CL.
If Pep (or any other manager anywhere with anyone) had a blank chequebook, Pogba, Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Lewandowski, Griezman, Uncle Tom Cobley and Maurice and his amazing dancing rats would all be playing for City.
So, for what will probably be yet another wasted use of my finger tendons, can the fiction of unlimited funds and blank cheques stop?
If Pep was at any of the clubs you mentioned, with similar foreplanning that had taken place at City, and hence the same chances of getting a team working in the style he wanted, then he’d likely be just as successful - especially at Chelsea, who seem to deal with manager merry go rounds reasonably well. It might be more a case of how Pep got on with owners and vice versa as a limitation on success at those clubs.
Sanchez used to have some of the highest tackle percentages for a forward in Europe, last year I think that was Bernardo Silva hence why there were comparisons between the two. Pep trying to build perfection tho and I wonder if he would fancy Sanchez’s pressing and workrate over Aguero. I really can’t see why he’d move for him unless he is moving someone on , or the like of Sane,Jesus and Sterling get fewer minutes or Aguero.
Maybe Pep thinks his team is in with a real chance of winning the CL and Just feels like adding another option would be beneficial incase of injuries.
Maybe Pep thinks his team is in with a real chance of winning the CL and Just feels like adding another option would be beneficial incase of injuries.
But out net spend is similar...40 mil difference iirc since both Mou and pep joined.
People keep parroting this unlimited cheque you guys have when you guys had to stop spending and sell players to balance the books like everyone else. It's just envy. Your club has a plan while we go from Moyes to van Gaal to Mou. No forward planning. We have a similar net spend just that once club has a clear plan.
Simple. I guess the unlimited funds is making Delph the best performing Lb in the league...
Come on. You just named those players who are exceptions to being bought purposely. Ronaldo and Messi aren't moving -- and in fact, if Messi ever decides to leave Barca, it is more likely that he will join Pep at City, and City will easily pay the 500 mil required to get him. But that's building castles on air as he won't move anyway.
Bayern will never sell Lewa even if he wants to move. You could probably get Griezmann perhaps if you tried. Pogba joined us because he is fond of our club, so that's one you won't get. Bale you could get if he decides to leave Real, but I doubt you want him.
Point is, these players are unavailable for reasons other than money. I admit that Pep is doing a fantastic job, but he wouldn't be half as invincible if he didn't have the unlimited backing at City. If your owners were our current ones, there's no way Pep would be able to spend 100 mil on FBs alone, get a back-up as well and splurge on Silva, while scouting the likes of Sanchez for January.
Pep with City (and that Barca team) is an extraordinary manager. At any other club, he would do as good a job as Jose or Conte, no more.
If money were an issue, sure but that's not really the case with City. Moreover, it's been clear since last year's tie against Monaco that Pep feels he needs a more clinical goalscorer to win the CL. Clear he can win the Premiership with Kun but its obvious he believes Alexis is what they need to win it all.
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Can tell you're a city fan because of how defensive you've gotten. I always give City their dues about how they planned well to come this far. Was talking about 'pep' and if he could walk the league this well at just any club not discrediting Man city as a club
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Yes have already alluded to the fact that city has done a better job than us planning and recruiting young talent. I'm not the same person discrediting their results in other threads. There are many people on the Internet
He would be going there on a free plu I reckon Kun will leave at the end so massive wages will be freed up. Bar Sterling and Sane they have no actual wingers and Sanchez is flexible to play all forward positions, covers passing lanes excellently and has worked with pep before. No brainer really.
You never know how long you have in sport to do the things you hope/want to, they are on a roll - you strike while the iron is hot rather than plan for a year down the road
It's obvious Guardiola needs intelligent players to play his style of football
He's not a lower league manager he's a top level manager so his job is to get the best out of his team and is given resources to do so
If you want the best football and the best teams you hire Pep it's as simple as that
No manager can do what he does the way he does it
He's not a lower league manager he's a top level manager so his job is to get the best out of his team and is given resources to do so
If you want the best football and the best teams you hire Pep it's as simple as that
No manager can do what he does the way he does it
The blank cheque talk his slightly disingenuous. I think we have to give it to the opposition, that Pep has the biggest chequebook. We are outspending every other team in the league. You also have to factor in that Silva & KDB were not Pep signings. I don't think we'd be anywhere as effective without 1 of these 2.
Love Pep & what he's doing at the minute. There's no way he would be doing anywhere near as well at any other PL club though.
Pep was already giving inputs on signings before he joined. City already had pep in the bag long time ago, i think many signings were already reccomended by PEP.
City seems to have a fairly clear "team profile" and have been buying players to fit that even well before Pep. They are pacey, they are technical, good at countering, good at passing and good at pressing, whereas they are clearly not the physicly strongest team, or the best team in the air. I think that also shows with their keeper, Ederson isn't so much the best at keeping balls out but as a ball playing keeper he is perfect for City nevertheless. I think one element that convinced Pep to go to city was that many of the players fitted his style already.
If you would ask me what United's team profile is, i would have it hard to answer that, more like a bit of everything, and i think Mourinho takes a legacy with him of a team build with great players but with less consideration how well it would work toghether.
City havn't been buying the nominal best, they have been buying the best for their style, and now it all clicks toghether nicely, plus that they even have the subs that can easily slot in.
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It's concerning you would think I was serious about the luck part. Though I understand some are sensitive about the subject considering the luck involved in City's wins in some matches lately.
It's not just about Pep being doped. Anyone could figure out it's possible his teams could have been on the juice if they put 2 and two together.
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That;s because City signed Barcelona staff such as Txiki and Soriano. Ederson was a Pep buy and the management didn't actually want him. Physicallity means zilch. They bullied us when we played. They are aggressive. Even if we gave mou the players he wanted his football will always be second best to peps because he is cautious by nature. I mean look at that game vs west brom. We had 10 men in the box...
Perhaps, but i still wonder what (besides being an overal very good team) the best attributes would be of United as a team, care to try answering that question to me?
If you are that vague on reading sarcasm , I’m sorry. But you are right, Maurice and his rats is even out of city’s range.
Your points perfectly illustrate that city does not have unlimited funds. Ta.
As alluded to by another poster, if city had unlimited funds, the 8m delph would have disappeared, instead he’s been changed into a decent make shift left back.
If city had unlimited funds, the transfer records would be dominated by city.
If city had unlimited funds FPP would be looking at city, as well as PSG.
I ignored it as that was obvious.
Seriously, if you are claiming that Pep didn't get everything he wanted courtesy of aggressive spending and then some, nobody will hear you. Don't see why it is so hard to admit that, as everyone accepts City have done very well to get what they want and Pep has also used his resources well.
/High fives namco and his new tactic of being a united supporter pretending to be a City supporter.
How many posts will he survive this time @M18CTID ?
I ignored it as that was obvious.
Seriously, if you are claiming that Pep didn't get everything he wanted courtesy of aggressive spending and then some, nobody will hear you. Don't see why it is so hard to admit that, as everyone accepts City have done very well to get what they want and Pep has also used his resources well.
I’m disputing the unlimited chequebook.
Bloody large yes, unlimited, and blank, no.
Unlimited doesn't mean the Sheikh has given Scrooge McDuck's vault to Pep. But compared to other clubs, the spending can be called "unlimited" in the sense that it is one heck of a big purse that fits quite a lot.
The biggest difference between us and City is that they spent exceptionally well the past few years. Many of their signings would get into our team with ease, you might be able to say the same about 1-2 of ours. I don't even think the gap is that big either - maybe £80-100m in the past 3 or 5 years without looking it up.
Complaining about City's spending screams hypocrite about us. Okay, so years ago we earned the right to outspend everyone else, but it's a different game now and money is money.
Complaining about City's spending screams hypocrite about us. Okay, so years ago we earned the right to outspend everyone else, but it's a different game now and money is money.
even PSG isn't as dominant in their league as City is in premier league.
This is merely rumours and there is no indication this is actually true. I feel like people try to praise Pep for stuff he hasn’t even done.
If he had such input on who should be at the club why didn’t he buy FB before he joined because he replaced all 4 of them.