Manchester United are now officially the most successful club in England

Son Of Sam said:
They are not the same thing. There's more than one game to play in the club World Cup. The super cup is a one-day event.

If you want the super cup counted, then you can as well add the community shield to your math which would then put United miles ahead of Liverpool.
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I disagree

The Community Shield is the season opener (so doesn't count), it used to be tied (so doesn't count), once Tottenham played England (so doesn't count), and you should automatically get it for doing the double (so doesn't count).

The Intercontinental Cup always used to be done over two legs. It was the Champion of Europe vs the Champion of South America. It was two legs from 1960-1979. Are we saying that if we had won it in 1968, we would count it, but not in 1999?

Like I said, the Intercontinental Cup was always the champion of Europe vs the champion of South America to decide the world champion. Then obviously FIFA decided this was unfair, so they let the other 4 federations join, but the Europe and South America are seeded to the Semi Final, and kept apart until the final, so unless the Europe or South American contingent looses their semi final match against an Asian/African team, then it's still basically Europe vs South America.

They should both count.

Granted FIFA ruined 1999-2000 by doing the world cup championship too
 
rcoobc said:
I disagree

The Community Shield is the season opener (so doesn't count), it used to be tied (so doesn't count), once Tottenham played England (so doesn't count), and you should automatically get it for doing the double (so doesn't count).

The Intercontinental Cup always used to be done over two legs. It was the Champion of Europe vs the Champion of South America. It was two legs from 1960-1979. Are we saying that if we had won it in 1968, we would count it, but not in 1999?

Like I said, the Intercontinental Cup was always the champion of Europe vs the champion of South America to decide the world champion. Then obviously FIFA decided this was unfair, so they let the other 4 federations join, but the Europe and South America are seeded to the Semi Final, and kept apart until the final, so unless the Europe or South American contingent looses their semi final match against an Asian/African team, then it's still basically Europe vs South America.

They should both count.

Granted FIFA ruined 1999-2000 by doing the world cup championship too
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One must play at least 2 different opponents in FIFA club World Cup though and you must wear their badge on your jersey for a whole season. It should count.

The intercontinental cup was a 2-legged tie against one opponent. I am not sure it's worthy to be counted.
 
I'm going with the 41-all tally, counting the 3 major domestic comps, and the three major UEFA club trophies.

All the other stuff is too itsy-bitsy IMO. Not saying we shouldn't be proud of those trophies too, but it smacks of clutching at straws to me.

More importantly, I'm backing us to win the league title again before the Scousers do. Obviously the feckers will still have a punchers chance in cup competitions (although not so much in the last ten years muhahahaha)

And once we pass them properly, they won't see our arse for dust :)
 
Fifa Club World Cup and it's forerunner should and does count. It's a multiple match competition and not just a one-off match to kickoff the domestic or European season.
 
Worth pointing out that during these supposed fallow, post-Ferguson years, United in the last two seasons have won as many major trophies as Arsenal have in their past 12 seasons, Liverpool in their past 12 and Spurs in their past 26. FA Cup is still alive for Arsenal and Spurs though.
 
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It's sad that the Intercontinental cup and the Club World Cup are so looked down upon. Neither of these competitions were/are glorified season opener friendlies. You have to become champions of Europe just to qualify and beat the champions of South America to win it.

Neither competition was easy to win either, you only have to look at the British teams that have tried over the years. Liverpool (3 times), Celtic, Forest, Villa, Chelsea and even United in 68 all tried and failed to win either cup.

That fact that United are the only British team to win either and have actually won both should get more respect.
 
Liverpool are not even on the radar. I'm embarrassed to see them compared to us.

History is history. Try winning some trophies, particularly the Premier League. Then we'll talk.
 
This is so unfair in Liverpool. Why are we not counting Reina's golden gloves?
 
Well we gave up an FA cup to be in that club World Cup should be counted. It's a one off competition yet We got the badge to wear for a year
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Ummmm?

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Am I the only one looking at this list thinking Everton and Villa deserve to be considered more successful than Chelsea? 9 league titles is pretty incredible considering they haven't won a title since the 80s.
 
stevoc said:
It's sad that the Intercontinental cup and the Club World Cup are so looked down upon. Neither of these competitions were/are glorified season opener friendlies. You have to become champions of Europe just to qualify and beat the champions of South America to win it.

Neither competition was easy to win either, you only have to look at the British teams that have tried over the years. Liverpool (3 times), Celtic, Forest, Villa, Chelsea and even United in 68 all tried and failed to win either cup.

That fact that United are the only British team to win either and have actually won both should get more respect.
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I agree. I have been advocating the CWC long before we won it - a little while after the final in Moscow I said to one of my mates that we'll have the chance to become world champions now! :lol: I love that tournament.
 
I'm sure that Liverpool fans will come up with some metric that puts them ahead of us, no matter how many trophies we win - "you obviously have to include *this* but not *that Mickey Mouse trophy* La"
 
Cwc by prestige is a great cup. The king of europe vs the king of south america (and the not so amazing continents)

Not the cup fault if you don't take it seriously, plus to be there you have to actually win the champions cup the year prior.
 
Leaving out World Club Cups and Super Cups, it's 41-41. With them it's 44-44, so a tie either way. We just need to win one of the two cups we're still in to definitely pull ahead.
 
The only thing Liverpool can be ahead of now is European Cup wins. Any other decent tally puts us ahead or level. If we win the Europa we'll definitely be ahead have won all European trophies in the process so lets do that!
 
Ixion said:
The only thing Liverpool can be ahead of now is European Cup wins. Any other decent tally puts us ahead or level. If we win the Europa we'll definitely be ahead have won all European trophies in the process so lets do that!
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Yeah i think only 3-4 teams have won all 4 Uefa competitions. And if we win the Europa we join Bayern as the only club to have won every competition they have competed in. Only Bayern have won 10 different tournaments.
 
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thegregster said:
Will Liverpools PR machine get desperate again and start talking about Leagues won during the two world wars?

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=274700.0

:D
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I like how they overlooked United's wartime championship win too, in that story.

Also, this post on there:

Real Madrid count them ridiculous European Cups they won in the 50's, we shouldn't dismiss our achievements however easy/small they are either, but celebrate them!

Sigh of relief that we are actually on 20 and can now build on that hit 21 in the coming seasons! 20-5 has nicer ring to it anyway!
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Bemoaning Real's original five European Cup wins, as they played 7 matches against a mixed bag of teams to win the tournament - exactly the same as they did in 77-78! When we won our last European trophy, we played 13 matches.
 
We're not the most successful if we're both level on trophies.
 
TMDaines said:
Worth pointing out that during these supposed fallow, post-Ferguson years, United in the last two seasons have won as many major trophies as Arsenal have in their past 12 seasons, Liverpool in their past 12 and Spurs in their past 26. FA Cup is still alive for Arsenal and Spurs though.
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Exactly. In the last 10 months we have won more trophies than any of the teams above :)

Club World Cup counts so we are more successful.
 
They seriously had that description on their official twitter account? :wenger:
Or is it a joke?
Although I have learnt to never underestimate Liverpool's ability to entertain
 
harms said:
They seriously had that description on their official twitter account? :wenger:
Or is it a joke?
Although I have learnt to never underestimate Liverpool's ability to entertain
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This is the club who put a story on their official website about some wartime local Sunday league titles they won, on the day we overtook them on PL titles.

This is the club who met with and threatened a blogger they claimed was leaking starting line ups.
 
Trophies are trophies.

This one counts but this one doesn't?

Why do FIFA, UEFA, FA make us play them if they don't count?

You win competitions and you win trophies.

Some competitions like the league and FA Cup have trophies at the end.

Others are one off games just for the trophies.

We are not counting competitions...i think we are on 65 and Liverpool 59.
 
Club World Cup is something we should be proud to have won and is technically the pinnacle trophy in terms of club football. In any case, who cares about the comparison; liverpool have only a League cup to show for the last 10 years..
 
Funny seeing scousers banging on about some kind of significance to each trophy meaning they have still technically won more. Funny lot. They always held the league cup in as high regard as the FA cup until other teams started playing for it and stopped them winning it so often.
 
Mr. MUJAC said:
Trophies are trophies.

This one counts but this one doesn't?

Why do FIFA, UEFA, FA make us play them if they don't count?

You win competitions and you win trophies.

Some competitions like the league and FA Cup have trophies at the end.

Others are one off games just for the trophies.

We are not counting competitions...i think we are on 65 and Liverpool 59.
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Fully agree. If the trophy is a result of an official match that you can't opt out of, then it counts.
 
BaguetteBoy said:
Well we gave up an FA cup to be in that club World Cup should be counted. It's a one off competition yet We got the badge to wear for a year
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We didn't win it the year we gave up the FA Cup.
 
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