No chance, if Fabregas isn't ready (and I think he probably will be) we'll start with Nasri, Rosicky, Arshavin behind Chamakh, and Song & Wilshere in CM.
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Pete, also once RVP works his way to full match sharpness, do you see him and Chamakh being a successful partnership?
I get the feeling RVP would love the kind of space Chamakh creates with his movement, and his hold up play would also result in some good opportunities for Van persie to put that left peg into use.
I get the feeling RVP would love the kind of space Chamakh creates with his movement, and his hold up play would also result in some good opportunities for Van persie to put that left peg into use.
I think it's going to be difficult, RvP was at his best in the 433 as was Cesc IMO. But are we going to go back to a mainline 433 (which also suits Walcott and is neutral for Arshavin/Nasri) or switch to a 4231 to play Chamakh as a plan B?
van der Sar, Rafael, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, and Nani are sure starters if fit, Rooney as well. Then take your pick from Fletcher, Anderson, Carrick, Scholes, Berbatov, and Park for the rest depending on the formation Sir Alex goes for.
Some combination of the above and I think it'll be a cracking game, we need to be on the front foot, though. We've usually got the better of Arsenal but generally when we play the three-man midfield and involve Anderson IIRC.
Did Anderson and Park play their way into the team after their performance against Valencia? Did Carrick and Berbatov play themselves out of the side? Or is the improving partnership of Berbatov and Rooney enough to play them both? Will it be in a front two or three?
feck knows.
Oh, and I'm gutted I'm missing this due to work. I wish it was on Sunday instead.
van der Sar
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Nani Fletcher Anderson Park
Berbatov Rooney
Fletcher Carrick Anderson
Nani Berbatov Rooney
Fletcher Scholes Anderson
Nani Rooney Park
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Nani Fletcher Anderson Park
Berbatov Rooney
Fletcher Carrick Anderson
Nani Berbatov Rooney
Fletcher Scholes Anderson
Nani Rooney Park
Some combination of the above and I think it'll be a cracking game, we need to be on the front foot, though. We've usually got the better of Arsenal but generally when we play the three-man midfield and involve Anderson IIRC.
Did Anderson and Park play their way into the team after their performance against Valencia? Did Carrick and Berbatov play themselves out of the side? Or is the improving partnership of Berbatov and Rooney enough to play them both? Will it be in a front two or three?
feck knows.
Oh, and I'm gutted I'm missing this due to work. I wish it was on Sunday instead.
I really fancy us to dominate the CB pairing Arsenal have been using.
It all depends on what we do in midfield, if we can grind them to a standstill, then yes potentially we have a real advantage with our strikers against their CB pairing.
But if we end up chasing shadows all evening...it won't be of much use.
It'll probably be Djourou & Squillaci, who've been a pretty good partnership. Most of the disasters have been Squillaci and Koscielny which doesn't look like a very good pairing.
Damn that's the one I was looking forward to and hoping for.
Koscielny looks so timid, it's like he's petrified to be on the football pitch. Johann Djourou on the other hand looks a good player.
Our midfield has managed very well with Arsenal's slicker trio recently so I'm optimistic that we will acquit ourselves successfully on Monday.
I forgot about Djourou, when Vermaelen returns would you say a partnership between the two is Arsenal's likely long term CB pairing?
Probably, Squillaci's a squad player and I think TV is the aggressive ball winner whereas as Djourou is the physically powerful CB. Djourou looked as if he never kicked a ball when he first came back though so I'm still holding my breath.
Djourou seems a good athlete but hasn't he been pretty much injury plagued? a steady run may finally see him live up to the potential he has.
Indeed it was.
Beating the invincible but lost to half of europe, United & boro twice brigade was fun, certainly makes up for the battle of the buffet.
My mind keeps trying to convince me that this is an away fixture
He's a big guy with a lot of skill and a lot upstairs I was always concerned about his lack of aggression but they've obviously been feeding him raw meat.
Whoever Arsenal play at the back i think Fergie will tell Rooney to bombard them, whoever they play with all due respect arnt very good, thats where i see this game being won, our defence is far better adept at dealing with their attackers than vise versa, A backline including any of Djourou/Squiliaci/Koscienly/Clichy/Fabianski etc is just asking to be attacked, theres a mistake in every one of those.
Thats why i still have a feeling Sir alex will got with both Berbatov and Rooney in this one, theres goals for us here if we put that defence under any pressure consistently.
Thats why i still have a feeling Sir alex will got with both Berbatov and Rooney in this one, theres goals for us here if we put that defence under any pressure consistently.
You won't - you'll play Euro-formation with 3 CMs or a wonky 4231 with a Park or Giggs making 3 in CM.
It'll be 4-5-1. Or if you're into more details, it'll be 4-1-4-1. We'll have to match your team's formation or we'll be outnumbered in midfield.
If you want to be detailed it won't be 4141 nor 451. In domestic games you always play 4231 variants, and have the 2 nominal CMs in tandem, with 3 AMs and a striker. Depending on who you're playing the personnel deployed define how defensive/aggressive you're going to be.
I think we wont. It'll be Fletcher as a sole DM. Anderson, Scholes (hopefully he's fit), Park and Nani will make up the other midfielders. I think Fergie will not play both Carrick and Fletcher.
I didnt mean we'll go 4-4-2 more like we'll have a front 3 of Nani/Berbatov/Rooney and a midfield 3 of Fletcher/Carrick/Anderson, Rooney has been playing some of his best football in a long time deeper in these last few games, plus he was operating from the left side often in the Valencia match, id rather see him and Nani flank Berbatov than use him as a lone striker.
Arsenals strength is clearly their attacking players, the defence in my opinion is a clear weakness, hence target the weakness with a more attack minded selection.
I think he'll play Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson (Park). Rooney up top with Giggs and Nani.
Pete
Who worries you the most from our team?
D you expect us to be harder to beat of we play 4-5-1 like we did last time or 4-4-2 as we are likely to do this time round.
Who worries you the most from our team?
D you expect us to be harder to beat of we play 4-5-1 like we did last time or 4-4-2 as we are likely to do this time round.
I don't expect you to play 442 and Rooney is always the problem for me (and Nani as much because Clichy is a defensive liability these days).
I have no idea who would SAF play nor what the formation will be
I am just glad most are healthy
I am just glad most are healthy
Last time we played on the break and it worked - sharp fast breaks when you were attacking.
If Berba plays this time as I suspect we will play differently have more possession and control but play more controlled?
What you think Arsenal find the hardest to play against?
Last time at OT you were largely outplayed and relied on poor reffing from Dean, poor goalkeeping from Almunia and a major dropped bollock from Diaby.
The team will look something like this on Monday (depending on injuries) IMO:
--------------------------- VDS -------------------------------
Rafael --------- Ferdinand ----------- Vidic ---------------- Evra
----------------- Carrick -------- Anderson -------------------
---- Nani ----------------- Rooney ------------------- Park ----
------------------------- Berbatov -----------------------------
Subs:
PIG
O'Shea
Hernandez
Scholes
Giggs
Smalling
Fletcher
It will probably be a 4-5-1 when having to defend and break up Arsenal's possession which easily turns into a 4-4-2 when attacking.
United never stick to a "rigid" formation anyway, we haven't got the FSW in charge remember.
--------------------------- VDS -------------------------------
Rafael --------- Ferdinand ----------- Vidic ---------------- Evra
----------------- Carrick -------- Anderson -------------------
---- Nani ----------------- Rooney ------------------- Park ----
------------------------- Berbatov -----------------------------
Subs:
PIG
O'Shea
Hernandez
Scholes
Giggs
Smalling
Fletcher
It will probably be a 4-5-1 when having to defend and break up Arsenal's possession which easily turns into a 4-4-2 when attacking.
United never stick to a "rigid" formation anyway, we haven't got the FSW in charge remember.
I'd say that the last two league games at OT against Arsenal weren't very good for us performance wise. I remember that we were outplayed in May 2009 and Fabregas hit the post in the last minutes. The game finished 0:0.
It's fair to say that we have found the right formula to play you at the Emirates but not at OT. Probably because it's easier to counter attack you in an away game.
Please tell me you looked that up? Remembering that level of detail from a game over 3 years (?) ago is just wierd.
Berbatov and Rooney will both play in this match. I'm pretty sure of that much. I think we could go in for a 442 but with Fletch on right and Nani on left.
VDS
Rafael-Rio-Vidic-Evra(or Fabio, if Pat is injured)
Fletcher-Carrick-Anderson-Nani
Rooney-Berbatov
VDS
Rafael-Rio-Vidic-Evra(or Fabio, if Pat is injured)
Fletcher-Carrick-Anderson-Nani
Rooney-Berbatov
SAF being interviewed now, so I suppose we'll know the updates on Rio etc in a bit
Can't see that.
Park will play. His covering apart, his form recently has made him a vital player in this type of game.
It will probably be 2 out of Carrick/Anderson and Fletch, with Park and Nani taking up the wide positions initially. Personally I don't think you could drop Anderson at this stage
There is a good chance that we could setup as we did at Spurs last season(We played with Giggs, Scholes, Ando and Fletch) but since Scholes is injured, Carrick instead of him and ofcourse Nani will play.
stewartgardner Stewart Gardner
SAF says he's confident rio, scholes and evra will all be fit for the arsenal game
SAF says he's confident rio, scholes and evra will all be fit for the arsenal game
Just came to post that same tweet, very good news if they can all make it.
Evra has gone off on one againtomwfootball
He's such a WUM! Should probably wait until after the game before mouthing off though, could come back to bite him (and us) in the arse.
Rio,Evra and Scholes passed fit fot the game according to Sky Sports News.
Power wank!
tomwfootball
I love Evra!