We were average, but still won.
Arsenal were shocking.
Arsenal were shocking.
Manchester United vs. Arsenal
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2-1 FT, should have been at least 4-0 really. Hope the goal difference doesn't feck us over again, good performance 2day though
We went shit the exact moment we withdrew Valencia for Nani, who was absolutely atrocious.
Well done?
Not "well done" as in I'm supporting you but as in I appreciated the tenacity and the skill for the goal
Good result, but I'm still pissed off with our 'go ahead and sit back' shite as usual. They were down to 10 men for feck sake.
It was only last season we lost the title on goal difference. Why not push on to score more? I miss the ruthless streak we used to have.
It was only last season we lost the title on goal difference. Why not push on to score more? I miss the ruthless streak we used to have.
The third half will be very exciting.
It's not even that we weren't playing well. We were easily outplaying them. We could SO EASILY have made this 3 or 4-0. The United fans almost deserve to be pissed off. Yes, they saw a comfortable win, but where oh where is the team that used to ravage the opposition from kickoff to the final whistle?
No signs that Fergie is anything other than pleased, either. The complacency at this club sometimes is shocking.
No signs that Fergie is anything other than pleased, either. The complacency at this club sometimes is shocking.
Triffic result.
Comfortable performance, didn't really need to get out of second gear. Defensively we were very good until the end where we got a bit sloppy and conceded.
Only disappointment was we failed to score more goals, 2-1 flattered them.
Comfortable performance, didn't really need to get out of second gear. Defensively we were very good until the end where we got a bit sloppy and conceded.
Only disappointment was we failed to score more goals, 2-1 flattered them.
Fergie should give them rockets..
utterly disgusting to let that goal in...but what is worse is we should have run up a cricket score.
Rooney for Cleverly and put Chicho in...Anderson did well enough...but really poor performance...
If we had played Stoke we would have lost today.
utterly disgusting to let that goal in...but what is worse is we should have run up a cricket score.
Rooney for Cleverly and put Chicho in...Anderson did well enough...but really poor performance...
If we had played Stoke we would have lost today.
Valencia's miss is still shocking me.
We are the worst team playing against 10 men......We don't make our numerical advantage count - We conceded against a team of 10 players FFS, Fergie should sort that out!
It's really idiotic.
Not like we we had less man, we fecking had more. Just keep some good passing going, use the wingers, move the feck around the pitch, and it'd have at least been 3-0+
Good win, and a good three points for us, although the performance can't be called good. We were lucky that we were against an Arsenal team that seemed to have absolutely no desire to win. If I was an Arsenal fan right now, I would be furious at my team. Carrick felt so sorry for them he kept trying to give them the ball back.
Mike Dean gave away far too many yellow cards for fouls that didn't really deserve them (on both sides), but he got the major decisions right. Cazorla's handball in the area did come whilst Young was very close to him, but you simply cannot have your hands in that position. Wilshere's sending off was fair too, he treated Cleverley and Wilshere in exactly the same way, gave them both one last chance whilst they were on the yellow. Ferguson wisely took Cleverley off, Wenger allowed Wilshere to leave the pitch in a more negative fashion.
Hard to point out the "best" performers, as I don't think anybody really shone (and, actually, our starting wingers were poor). Evra looked quite good, and Cleverley passed the ball around nicely before going off. Anderson really did look good after coming on, and should start during the week.
Our performance will need to improve against the better teams.
Mike Dean gave away far too many yellow cards for fouls that didn't really deserve them (on both sides), but he got the major decisions right. Cazorla's handball in the area did come whilst Young was very close to him, but you simply cannot have your hands in that position. Wilshere's sending off was fair too, he treated Cleverley and Wilshere in exactly the same way, gave them both one last chance whilst they were on the yellow. Ferguson wisely took Cleverley off, Wenger allowed Wilshere to leave the pitch in a more negative fashion.
Hard to point out the "best" performers, as I don't think anybody really shone (and, actually, our starting wingers were poor). Evra looked quite good, and Cleverley passed the ball around nicely before going off. Anderson really did look good after coming on, and should start during the week.
Our performance will need to improve against the better teams.
Valencia is a disgrace.....
If only for the goal threat, Nani is light years better! Against Chelsea, he was put through on goal - 1 v 1 with Cech and Valencia hit the corner flag with his attempted shot from 8 yards!
our players need to learn from our second tringers midweek.
kin ell. when you put on the sacred shirt you show kin passion.
ahh well.
3 points..
kin ell. when you put on the sacred shirt you show kin passion.
ahh well.
3 points..
Stepped out for a minute and out goes the clean sheet.
Why the feck do we just go to sleep these days ?
Why the feck do we just go to sleep these days ?
The sitting back was a combination of being 2 up and them getting a man sent off minutes later.
That effectively killed the game off and we took the foot off the pedal.
Away game in the CL in midweek and another away in the league after that.
Kinda makes sense if you can see the game off comfortably.. We almost did that. Made it a bit messy at the very end.
That effectively killed the game off and we took the foot off the pedal.
Away game in the CL in midweek and another away in the league after that.
Kinda makes sense if you can see the game off comfortably.. We almost did that. Made it a bit messy at the very end.
just laziness.
Anderson needs to play more.
excellent player.
Anderson needs to play more.
excellent player.
Nice interview.
Comfortably beat Arsenal and people are complaining fecking tards
fecking tardsComfortably beat Arsenal and people are complaining
EDIT: Mea culpa, I thought I was in another thread.
Shock horror, Redknapp making a prick of himself.
overall, we played very well, comfortably the better team but.....
missed a bagfull of chances
got sloppy and complacent, as per.....against 10 men
sort it Fergie
exactly how we drew 4-4 with Everton
missed a bagfull of chances
got sloppy and complacent, as per.....against 10 men
sort it Fergie
exactly how we drew 4-4 with Everton
He's a waste of a waste of space, and only got the job in order to fool viewers into thinking that Sky was no longer the sordid den of renowned sexists Gray & Keys; so they employed safe Jamie Literally, a man so boring and clueless that he makes his wife seem like Amanda Palmer.
Tell us what you really think of Literally, Steve.
Palmer would definitely be the man in that relationship. A bit like my missus. I wish she was even half as dirty as we all think Palmer is...
Be back in 2-3mins...hopefully without sticky keys.
Nani was miles better than Valencia today.
Tony wasn't even tracking back!
Not a disgrace though.
Just got back from the game, disappointed after a win.
They were there for the taking. Really poor Arsenal side.
I hope Rooney doesn't take a penalty again. What's Irwin doing these days?
The only shocking thing today was the scoreline. Winning 2-1 is by no means a shameful thing but it does our performance no justice at all. We pretty much dominated the gooners from the first minute onwards. Should have probably been at least two goals up by halftime and probably could have had another two more in the second half had we been more clinical.
The only qualm I have about this match is why isn't RVP taking all the penalties? He is clearly the best penalty taker on the team so why isnt he the one taking them? I was a bit surprised when Rooney stepped up to take our penalty, and he is by no means a poor penalty taker but he isn't RVP's class thats for sure.
Other than that we were great all around the pitch. Valencia and Rafael ran them absolutely ragged and andre santos must be having nightmares about this one. Great finishing and movement by RVP as usual. With every match that goes by he becomes more and more influential. Terrific shift put in by Rooney and he put in an excellent cross for Evra's goal.
A bit disappointed we let carzola score at the end. Carrick was doing a real good job on him up until that one moment where he lapsed and became a bystander. I wouldn't say Carrick had a great game in terms of the attacking side. His passing was a bit wayward and I just think we are playing him in too many matches for too many minutes. He needs a break and he needs someone to challenge him. Cleverley and Anderson have shown that they are more than capable and are in excellent form.
Nice to see us top of the table again and thats all we can really ask for. SAF playing the mind games with chelski and its clearly got di matteo and co. rattled. They were so much better flying under the radar than having to deal with all this referee controversy nonsense.
The only qualm I have about this match is why isn't RVP taking all the penalties? He is clearly the best penalty taker on the team so why isnt he the one taking them? I was a bit surprised when Rooney stepped up to take our penalty, and he is by no means a poor penalty taker but he isn't RVP's class thats for sure.
Other than that we were great all around the pitch. Valencia and Rafael ran them absolutely ragged and andre santos must be having nightmares about this one. Great finishing and movement by RVP as usual. With every match that goes by he becomes more and more influential. Terrific shift put in by Rooney and he put in an excellent cross for Evra's goal.
A bit disappointed we let carzola score at the end. Carrick was doing a real good job on him up until that one moment where he lapsed and became a bystander. I wouldn't say Carrick had a great game in terms of the attacking side. His passing was a bit wayward and I just think we are playing him in too many matches for too many minutes. He needs a break and he needs someone to challenge him. Cleverley and Anderson have shown that they are more than capable and are in excellent form.
Nice to see us top of the table again and thats all we can really ask for. SAF playing the mind games with chelski and its clearly got di matteo and co. rattled. They were so much better flying under the radar than having to deal with all this referee controversy nonsense.
Weird game really.
Our game plan seemed to centre around trying to stay within touching distance for as long as possible and then try and nick something at the end. That's not the worst plan in the world, but it becomes infinitely harder when you gift the opposition a goal after three minutes.
United didn't play particularly well throughout the game but were not really obliged to because we couldn't produce anything in an attacking sense, which is unsurprising given our tactics. We have Ramsey out of position on the right wing, when you have a right winger on the bench, and then Giroud, whose best attribute is heading and general box-play is left isolated without anyone supplying any crosses for him. Amazingly, in the second half, when we actually decided to get the ball in the box, he hit the post and De Gea made a decent save off him.
There were obviously some key refereeing decisions in the game, and none of them went in our favour.
The penalty is an interesting one - it's difficult to say it wasn't a handball because it hits him squarely on the arm, but he is just trying to protect his face from a ball struck from about five yards away. I have seen them given, and I have seen them not given. As a general point, there needs to be a serious look at what is handball in the modern game, because no-one appears to know. For me, it wasn't a penalty.
Mike Dean's biggest error today was the two harsh yellow cards he awarded to Wilshere and Cleverley in the first half. This put him in a very difficult situation when they both committed worse challenges in the second half which were not punished. The problem for me is that if Cleverley is yellow-carded, he absolutely has to be sent off for the second one. It's not even debateable - it's a clear yellow card, and at 1-0, that makes a difference in the game. Add that to the fact you scored from a corner(vaguely) when an offside flag should have been raised before when RVP went through, I think you got away with a couple of calls today.
So basically, correct result, but I felt our tactics let us down massively from minute one, and that combined with not getting much off the officials(although Wilshere correctly went) meant that we had little chance of ever getting anything.
Our game plan seemed to centre around trying to stay within touching distance for as long as possible and then try and nick something at the end. That's not the worst plan in the world, but it becomes infinitely harder when you gift the opposition a goal after three minutes.
United didn't play particularly well throughout the game but were not really obliged to because we couldn't produce anything in an attacking sense, which is unsurprising given our tactics. We have Ramsey out of position on the right wing, when you have a right winger on the bench, and then Giroud, whose best attribute is heading and general box-play is left isolated without anyone supplying any crosses for him. Amazingly, in the second half, when we actually decided to get the ball in the box, he hit the post and De Gea made a decent save off him.
There were obviously some key refereeing decisions in the game, and none of them went in our favour.
The penalty is an interesting one - it's difficult to say it wasn't a handball because it hits him squarely on the arm, but he is just trying to protect his face from a ball struck from about five yards away. I have seen them given, and I have seen them not given. As a general point, there needs to be a serious look at what is handball in the modern game, because no-one appears to know. For me, it wasn't a penalty.
Mike Dean's biggest error today was the two harsh yellow cards he awarded to Wilshere and Cleverley in the first half. This put him in a very difficult situation when they both committed worse challenges in the second half which were not punished. The problem for me is that if Cleverley is yellow-carded, he absolutely has to be sent off for the second one. It's not even debateable - it's a clear yellow card, and at 1-0, that makes a difference in the game. Add that to the fact you scored from a corner(vaguely) when an offside flag should have been raised before when RVP went through, I think you got away with a couple of calls today.
So basically, correct result, but I felt our tactics let us down massively from minute one, and that combined with not getting much off the officials(although Wilshere correctly went) meant that we had little chance of ever getting anything.
fecking hell, Arsenal give a cowardly performance, only escaping from a battering because of dire United finishing, and apparently it's still just a result of bad referees!
Yep, that's exactly what my post said.
EDIT - I should add that when I said United didn't play particularly well, I more meant that the finishing was, fortunately, quite poor. In terms of producing chances, it was fine.
Then Wilshire should have been sent off earlier for the challenge on RVP, right?
If you'de have seen his interview, about 5 minutes after the game finished, you would've seen that he was something other than pleased.
The ungratefulness of some of our fans is shocking.
I just edited it. Perhaps harsh. But blaming the ref, fecking hell.
Yeh. If the ref had actually been consistent, Wilshere would have gone first, then Cleverley.
I didn't blame the ref for the result, I'm merely saying he was one of various factors in why we lost the game.