Well done. I'm sorry I can't share your view that Fellaini is excactly what we need and is nailed on to be a success here - I hope you're proved right, though.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Well done. I'm sorry I can't share your view that Fellaini is excactly what we need and is nailed on to be a success here - I hope you're proved right, though.
No I am saying he will make it here because he is a perfect fit in our midfield and is exactly the kind of player we were missing. Not only that he can play in several positions and is a danger at set pieces. Has years of PL experience AND knows the manager. Its hardly rocket science. Adaption, language and the speed of the game arent going to be an issue for him.
So you're arguing something that has nothing to do with my original comment. Congratulations.
If Fellaini hadnt played in the PL for years already and not proved he could adapt or flourish even at a young age then I would share concerns. But he has proved at Everton he can play in the PL and now he will be surrounded by better players.
"Difficult to judge based on his level so far".
You started arguing against that point and the idea that Everton is a massive step up from Utd but suddenly now you're rambling on about him as a footballer and why he's a perfect fit,
You know what I meant by Utd being a different level to Everton, I don't know why you're now constantly changing your argument to try and get around that.
Nobody's disputing that we overpaid, but I still maintain that he was never being targeted as a squad player.
A squad player is someone like Ashley Young (the theory behind buying him, not the actual product we got) - somebody who is does what somebody else in the first team already does, a little less well, and can fill in when required and with a bit of luck see if they can raise their game.
Fellaini fills such an obvious gap in the team that he'd obviously be playing more often than not, and in a lot of big games.
People talking about him as back-up for Carrick or a slightly better Cleverley must be blind, he's absolutely nothing like either of those players.
Im not holding anything against him, but its a sound argument to make that Fellaini has a lot more experience at a higher level than Herrera has. Its a point I made simply to illustrate the fact that you can make sound and sensible arguments for Fellaini over and above Herrera - again all a matter of opinion.
As you say, he's here now so people should get behind him, the two pertinent facts being:
1) he has no say in the fee he's transferred for; and
2) its not his fault he was the only signing of a very dissapointing summer.
It seems to me a vast majority of detractors forget these issues and will seek to use the generally terrible transafer activity in particular as a stick to beat him with, rather than look at the fact that we've bought a talented central midfield player who is a significant upgrade on whay we have and who is hopefully reaching his peak years.
Have to say I find it bizarre those picking at Fellaini are suggesting Herrera would give us as much of a physical presence in the midfield. Physicality is clearly an issue in that area for us and Fellaini will improve that for sure. Herrera might like a tackle but he doesn't offer that presence and power Fellaini does, even if he is technically better and more creative.
I think the ideal window would have allowed us Fellaini and one other more creative player. That wasn't to be so we just ended up with Fellaini. Rather than argue about creativity accept Fellaini for what he is and what he's been bought for, something which in my opinion he will do very well for us.
I think the ideal window would have allowed us Fellaini and one other more creative player. That wasn't to be so we just ended up with Fellaini. Rather than argue about creativity accept Fellaini for what he is and what he's been bought for, something which in my opinion he will do very well for us.
I admit that I would have felt better if Herrera had arrived as well along with Fellaini. I am of the opinion that we needed to bring in TWO midfielders, which ultimately we failed to do. I do believe that Fellaini will give us that something in the midfield that we've lacked for a while, which is a physical edge. He doesn't have to be the best player in the world or the biggest name, he just has to do a job which I think he can do.
But I do wish we'd have gotten Herrera as well.
But I do wish we'd have gotten Herrera as well.
Right, who wants to go through every good signing we've ever made and whether they were from a club at a lower level than United or not? Bags I do the list of ones from the same or high level!
The flying feck are you on about?
I'm sure we all do, but there's no point in dwelling on it now. I'm perfectly happy going into our 4th league game of the season with Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverly and Anderson. There's a healthy balance there now at least. Not to mention, cover for Carrick.(not that Fellaini was bought for that purpose.)
Im done arguing with pessimistic idiots, I shall return to gloat like a cnut soon enough
This is a bit of an argument of last resort isn't it. Yeah, let's see what the ABUs think - apart from "Carrick is shit", "Rio is shit", "de Gea is shit", "Neville is shit" and the perennial "United are in decline"?
For what it's worth, taking the inflated cost out of it, I think most clubs would have been delighted to sign him, whether they admit it or not now. The exceptions being clubs like City, but if we already had Yaya Toure, you can rest assured my points in this thread would all be very different.
The obvious fact that worrying about signing a player from a lower-level club is the most redundant pointless argument I've ever seen on here.
Ooh, that will be fun, see you then!
Did I say I was worried?
I'm not sure what's so difficult to comprehend here, I said Utd are a level above Everton, somehow people are now strewing that to me saying Fellaini is shit and won't make it at our club.
Gloat about what? We're not ruling him out you lunatic. (except for marjen, but he's special)
This threads and it's arguments are very similar to when Carrick first signed for what was then considered "too much" for an "average mid-table player"
Will Fellaini be as influential as Carrick? We'd have to answer that in 2 or 3 seasons. Fellaini isn't a signing, much like Carrick wasn't, who is going to send waves of excitement through Old Trafford. But he is a player who could do the nitty gritty bringing the best - and more freedom - out of the players ahead of him.
Will Fellaini be as influential as Carrick? We'd have to answer that in 2 or 3 seasons. Fellaini isn't a signing, much like Carrick wasn't, who is going to send waves of excitement through Old Trafford. But he is a player who could do the nitty gritty bringing the best - and more freedom - out of the players ahead of him.
He'll be miles better than Ashley Young. He's much better at football.
So why did Everton's "level" even get brought up if it wasn't in the context of doubting Fellaini's ability on the basis of it?
Read my post maybe? I mentioned Michael Carrick and Young as two opposite ends of the spectrum, didn't pass judgement on Fellaini as a player or say he was or was not good enough, it wasn't in reference to any other posts made, just an observation. Is it not a step up from Everton to Utd? Is it not valid to say that it can go either way with a player who does make that step up?
I'm really not sure how from that post people are suddenly grasping at the idea that I'm worried, or said Fellaini wasn't good enough, or questioned his ability as a footballer.
Moral of the story, never make observations on the Caf.
I actually think Fellaini will win people round much faster than Carrick. Football-wise, what Carrick brings to a team is a lot more subtle, and it's only once he and the team had really got a synergy going that people started to gradually recognise his immense importance, after watching him carefully over a long period of games. Even now, he's a player we remember for matches more than moments, and he also has a pretty quiet and bland image off the pitch.
Whereas Fellaini will go tearing around, make a few crunching hits on people and score a couple of goals which naturally gets the fans going - everybody from the 7-year-old to the day-tripper to the pissed guy in my seat can immediately tell the boy done good. Add in his larger-than-life image (quite literally in the case of that hair) and I think we'll have a cult hero on our hands in no time.
OK, maybe it was more Marjen's nonsense people were reacting to, but answer me this. What is the difference between saying "like Young and Carrick he's coming from a lower-level club, so he could go either way" and saying "like Young and Carrick he's a guy we've just signed and not seen play for us yet, so could go either way".
The fact that he's from a lower-level club is just utterly null - in fact talking about United signing a player from a lower level club is pretty much a tautology, no?
My point on Fellaini is that I genuinely just can't figure out whether he'll be a Carrick or a (probably too extreme an example) Young here yet, I base that on the fact that I've only seen his level at Everton and that's why it's hard to judge. I said a post later that I'll reserve judgement until he's played properly for us.
Like I said, it was a valid observation to make, so what if (in yours eyes) it was an obvious one. People seemed to be either dismissing him completely or saying he was a guaranteed success, I tried to meet somewhere in the middle. Suddenly Ramshock and you come along making up random shit that had nothing to do with what I said in order to go "I told you so" at a later date despite me not actually saying anything negative about him.
Also he's not a world beater of ridiculous quality or anything like that so people are going to have their doubts.
When do we ever sign those? Veron springs to mind... Rio maybe?
If the whole point of the last few pages is to point out that when you sign a new player you don't know exactly how well he'll do for you, then I can see we've all been wasting our time.
I thought we were here to give our opinions on how well we thought Fellaini would do, based on what we have seen of him.
Also, it's probably worth noting that usually when we sign for hefty prices players from smaller clubs, they're pretty young and therefore have plenty of time to develop. Carrick and Young have been the two exceptions (maybe Berbatov?) to that in the last couple of years and that's why I used them as a examples.
Signing a talented youngster from a lower club is less of a risk than signing a 25/26 year old because it's less likely that they will actually become a "better" player.
Signing a talented youngster from a lower club is less of a risk than signing a 25/26 year old because it's less likely that they will actually become a "better" player.
Instead of worrying about working that out then why not at least let him play a fecking match for us first?
One guy said he wasn't sure. The people who made it a few pages were the ones so aghast by him having doubts.
And your doubts over a player depend on the abilities he's showcased. The doubts over a fellaini would understandably be much higher than those over an Rvp or a kagawa.
Who's worrying?
And why shouldn't he express his concerns if he has some? Some of you don't grasp the concept of a forum very well.
Which is a fair (though wrong) opinion, but nothing to do with whether he came from Everton.
Back to the correct debate...
RVP was as close to a nail-on as we've bought for a while, but while Kagawa was clearly exceptionally talented, there were legitimate doubts about playing in an entirely new league, and where he would fit in to our system. Whereas a blind-man can see where Fellaini fits in, and we know what he delivers in the Premier League.
So a forum is for people to express their concerns, without anybody making a counter-argument. Now I see, thanks for clearing that up.
He doesn't have any concerns, btw. I think he's made that clear now.
And why shouldn't his concerns be challenged if they're not valid in the opinion of others?
Remind us of the concept of a forum please.
Yes. I wasn't around this place back then but I remember well the reactions from fellow fans. There's not a little snobbery in this, of course. Buying an unknown, or a hyped up youngster from abroad, is fine - but not someone who has featured for some seasons for a "lesser" club at home. It's definitely frowned upon in some circles.
I'm not saying all who are skeptical about the Microphone think along those lines, just to make that clear. There might be good reasons to prefer X over Fellaini, both in terms of football and money, but that is water under the bridge now. We didn't buy X, we bought Fellaini. So, let's see what the long, hairy bastard can do. I think he'll do well for us.
As for whether he was intended as a squad man or not, originally - well, I'm not sure. But I find it reasonable to assume that if we had landed Fabregas, and Moyes plans on a 4-2-3-1, it would have been Carrick and Fabregas as the two in our best XI. Carrick is seven years older than Fellaini, though. So, in time Moyes probably would've seen the latter emerging as a first choice.
Counter arguments are fine. You didn't make a counter argument. You were basically asking him to not express his opinion which is silly.So a forum is for people to express their concerns, without anybody making a counter-argument. Now I see, thanks for clearing that up.
He doesn't have any concerns, btw. I think he's made that clear now.
Who said anything about challenging an opinion?
My point was Cina said his argument with Fellaini was that he can't work out if he will be a Carrick or Young at United yet.
Is that any surprise when he's not played for the club yet?
Is that any surprise when he's not played for the club yet?
When did he ask this?
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