Like that notoriously silky and not at all a psychopath Flamini?
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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I remember him dominating PL winning United teams - Probably not capable in big games though eh?
This bullshit has to stop, he is an international player struggling at a new club - our club, surely he deserve a bit of time considering experienced players like Carrick have failed to step up and partner him to any effect.
No mate, he's shit. Can't kick a ball. Can't run faster than a glacier. Couldn't beat a ballerina in a physical duel. Definitely couldn't score 11 goals in a PL season from an AM/CM position, or be one of the best DM's in the league in seasons prior to that, no, no siree.
Kevin Nolan has scored 12 goals in a season from midfield. And that's what Fellaini is too - a Big Sam / David Moyes player.
Fellaini would get 15-20 a season playing for West Ham under Big Sam. It's probably where he will be in a year's time anyway.
The bitterness of bad season really takes it toll on some 'supporters'.
No rational thought going into this at all, if he was 3ft 5" and Spanish people lap his shit up. I hope he stays because there are a other midfielders who need replacing before him.
No rational thought going into this at all, if he was 3ft 5" and Spanish people lap his shit up. I hope he stays because there are a other midfielders who need replacing before him.
Yep, this bullshit has to stop. He should be loaned out to Stoke next season.
I remember him dominating Vidic in one game last season. That's cos he's a long ball player, not even a half-decent midfielder who has improved our team. And this is Carrick's fault? What crap. And in big games, he's been totally outplayed. City twice, Liverpool.
As a central midfielder, Fellaini wasn't really on anyone's radar, especially the top clubs. Anyone bid for him last summer? He was available. Why should we give him time to prove what we already know? And there are lots of international players, doesn't mean they are all that.
I hesitate to comment on what you know, I presume you know youtube pretty well while you're drooling over the could of hads, look at his performance in the PL over the last few years, realise you are posting nonsense.
He has had a really poor start no doubt, unlucky with injuries too, but he is a capable premier league and international player, let's see how he fairs in the world cup, surely he is not capable to even play on them Brazilian pitches eh?
The crapo de toro indeed has to stop. Fellaini is nothing more than a mediocre midfielder who has no business being near a squad which aspires to lifting a CL trophy, which is a club we used to be.
The question for Malcolm Glazer is whether we will settle for the likes of Fellaini and be content to qualify for the CL or whether we're going to push for a CL -- and prem -- trophy as well.
If it's the former, Fellaini is a perfectly squad player for such a squad. If the latter, we need to sell him and rebuild our midfield.
The question for Malcolm Glazer is whether we will settle for the likes of Fellaini and be content to qualify for the CL or whether we're going to push for a CL -- and prem -- trophy as well.
If it's the former, Fellaini is a perfectly squad player for such a squad. If the latter, we need to sell him and rebuild our midfield.
Bayern: Tymoshuk
Chelsea: Romeu
Barcelona: Afellay
Inter: Mariga
These are some of the midfield players who have been part of champions league winning squads in the last 4 years. Fellaini is at the very least better than 3 of them, with only Tymoshuk being debatable. He undeniably has the quality to be a squad player in a CL winning squad. The Belgium squad he's an integral part of has the quality to get to the latter stages of the WC...surely that goes some way to show you lot that he is not an incompetent player?
We've won the PL with Cleverley and Anderson being integral parts of our midfield rotation - both of whom are absolutely feckin worse players than Fellaini. He'll be fine once he's settled.
People associate him very much with his boss at the moment, it would seem. Not the best starting point for a fair evaluation of what he can offer. He's a good player, much better than some give him credit for. He clearly isn't a world beater, though, and until we start performing like a top side again he will be under fire from those who insist he's an overpriced thug Moyes wanted as part of his hoofball scheme.
Re: the Arsenal interest - Fellaini surely isn't lying about this, that would be insane. From what I recall Arsenal did approach Everton about him but Wenger was reluctant to cough up the amount required to trigger his release clause. He then went for Flamini instead - which turned out alright.
Re: the Arsenal interest - Fellaini surely isn't lying about this, that would be insane. From what I recall Arsenal did approach Everton about him but Wenger was reluctant to cough up the amount required to trigger his release clause. He then went for Flamini instead - which turned out alright.
But mate, facts don't matter, only rhetoric and vitriol, didn't you get the memo?
That is true. It's one of the package deals you get on here that everyone is guilty of doing, Moyes and Fellaini, Young and Valencia, Rio, Vidic and Evra, Nani and Kagawa. All little groups of package deals that people either dislike or like, not many on here like one but not the other these days (apart from Evra, you can't not love Evra).
Nah, Fellaini is good enough to be a squad player in a CL winning team. As Lu Tze pointed out, other teams have won it with worse.
The real problem facing us regarding Fellaini is how long it will take us to strengthen midfield to the point where he is just a squad player. The real problem facing Fellaini is the fact that he will be forever associated with a failing manager, he'll forever carry the weight of that price tag and he'll forever be used as an easy scapegoat for failings that existed long before he arrived. Unfortunately this may damage him to the point where he struggles to even be a successful squad player here.
Talking of nonsense, why do you assume I just started watching football last week or something??
Don't need to see You Tube, I saw Fellaini play for Belgium, Standard Liege and Everton already. I know exactly what he's all about and I was praying last August that we didn't sign him. He is no improvement on our current midfield and a liability. He was actually more effective elsewhere and tbh, he wasn't even that consistent as a AM. Just a battering ram, like a Wimbledon CF from the old days. He might be a capable PL and international player, so you mean average, right?? And there are lots of them in our league.
That doesn't mean we should have him at our club, far from it. We should be aiming a lot higher than a poor, immobile, cumbersome, technically average, slow, ineffective excuse for a midfielder who is incompatible to our style of play. Our problems there are well documented and you really think he will be able to compete with big teams? He comes out second best every time. Your expectations must be very low if you think he is the way forward for our club.
And PS, what do you mean by 'could of hads'? Do you mean 'could have hads'? And what the hell are they?
Cleverley + Welbeck another
Aye - no shortage of vitriol round here at the moment. Some people seem to positively detest the poor bastard - rare to see, actually, or has been up till this season. I can only think it's down to people seeing him as a vital cog in whatever machinery Moyes intends to go for. I personally don't think this is the role Moyes has in mind for him - he was in for Fabregas, after all.
Djimi Traore was a squad player in a CL winning side so in great company there. And this Belgium team haven't actually achieved anything yet, it's just speculation. How many teams have been tipped going into World Cups only to fall flat on their faces?
Yeah, he's so much better than Cleverley and Anderson, but he still gets found out and is second best in midfield like them. And SAF still got those 2 multiple PL winners' medals. Fellaini is no improvement on them. And none of them are good enough for our team, we need a lot better if we are to get close to where we were before. Unless you want to stay in 7th for the next few seasons.
Your opinion of him wouldn't change even if he was voted as being one of the top 20 midfielders worldwide by some of the world's most highly regarded football journalists
so I'll just feel free to ignore it.
Oh yeah, how accurate is this tripe?
In this list from 2013 he's ahead of Vidic, Robben, Villa, Modric, Pedro and Lewandowski.
Yeah, very accurate. People are only interested in the top 5 or 10 anyway. The rest is just subjective. And football journalists know so much about the game without actually playing it, right? There aren't many reputable ones out there. They don't have any more insight than anyone else. Do they take their coaching badges while studying journalism? No, that's why their opinions mainly don't mean sh*t.
Oh yeah, how accurate is this tripe?
In this list from 2013 he's ahead of Vidic, Robben, Villa, Modric, Pedro and Lewandowski.
And football journalists know so much about the game without actually playing it, right? There aren't many reputable ones out there. They don't have any more insight than anyone else. Do they take their coaching badges while studying journalism? No, that's why their opinions mainly don't mean sh*t.
Well clearly Fellaini's doing something right, because any group including Sid Lowe, Jonathan Wilson, Michael Taylor, Rafael Honigstein and Daniel Cox is as reputable and knowledgeable as journalists/analysts come.
And FYI, this list is from 2012, when he had mainly built his reputation off being a very solid DM, rather than an (again pretty good) AM. So people's repeated insistence that he's only been seen as good due to playing up front is absolute horseshite.
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Are they the same knowledgable 'geniuses' who put him ahead of Robben, Lewandowski, Pedro and others? Yep, very reputable.
Maybe journalists should stick to reporting the news cos their opinions are secondary. If you have to look to someone else for yours, that's your problem. I make my own judgements.
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Taking in a variety of sources adds to an argument, it doesn't detract from it
"I'll just ignore the opinion of people who watch and analyse football for a job, that makes me smarter than people who don't".
Sure. You have absolutely no clue if you don't know who Jonathan Wilson/Sid Lowe/Rafael Honigstein are.
Taking in a variety of sources adds to an argument, it doesn't detract from it
"I'll just ignore the opinion of people who watch and analyse football for a job, that makes me smarter than people who don't".
Sure.
Also, imagine my astonishment when I learned that no clubs were interested in signing Fellaini.
Even though he's so much better, apparently, than Robben, Villa, Pedro, Lewandowski. How do you explain that one?
Yeah cos footy journos know so much more than everyone else about the game, but you cannot explain how this is. Like they're super fans or something. They actually do what you do, listen to other people's opinions cos they cannot form one for themselves.
Arsenal were. But we can just ignore the sources since you don't like what they're saying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...l-in-favour-of-manchester-united-8711190.html
http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/24/manch...ns-marouane-fellaini-for-bargain-fee-3896635/
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...uane-fellaini-says-arsenal-wanted-to-sign-him
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...laini-doesnt-do-a-job-on-arsenal-8363546.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...arsenal-record-with-23m-fellaini-8668438.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ni-fears-dream-Arsenal-move-could-be-off.html
http://www1.skysports.com/news/12040/8761039/
But no, clearly there was no interest from Arsenal, at all, ever. I'm the one without backing for my argument here. Despite the wealth of sources available to me.
And yes, Jonathan Wilson does know more about the game than me, given that he has literally written the book on it, since Inverting the Pyramid is the best tactical history of football ever written, but you knew that, didn't you?
Did Arsenal make an official bid for him? Or even an official enquiry? Nope. So they must have been really interested then. ie no interest. Meanwhile. those players who Fellaini is apparently better than
would attract lots of clubs if they were on the market.He was available right up to the last minute of the summer transfer window. All that time. Moyes was making silly offers for him that were knocked back. But still, no interest from Arsenal. Must have been more tabloid speculation then, like most of this stuff usually is. You know, BS.
We all know they had the money but went for Ozil over him. Oh yeah, he was above him in your list.
Wasting your time with that one.
He clearly knows better than all them sports writers or anyone else for that matter. Sad to see any utd 'fan' act like that towards one of our players I just don't get it.
Although I feel it is to do with being used to winning.
He clearly knows better than all them sports writers or anyone else for that matter. Sad to see any utd 'fan' act like that towards one of our players I just don't get it.
Although I feel it is to do with being used to winning.
Yeah. His type always want the last word, no matter how obviously wrong they are. No point dragging it out. Thinking that transfer dealings require an official bid/inquiry to be disclosed the the media...laughable, really.
Yes, mate. The same sports writers who put Fellaini above Lewandowski, Robben, Pedro, Modric, Villa in their list of top 100 players of 2013. So it must be true.
But what do I know when they are so insightful like this? Their extensive knowledge coming from years watching football from their sofas or maybe they ventured to a few games like anyone else who likes watching football.
But seriously, a football pundit with years of experience in the game as manager, coach, player knows a shitload more than me and I respect their opinion. A journalist? I take them with a pinch of salt.
Yep, spoken like someone who's lost the argument and knows they haven't got a leg to stand on. I suppose if you're naive enough to believe any old tabloid tripe, you wouldn't realise you've been completely found out either.
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Every source supports my argument. You have provided nothing but your opinion.
Statement from Fellaini of Arsenal's interest in him(when he had nothing to gain from disclosing it): Check
Variety of media sources leaking Arsenal's interest in him: Check
Wenger's statement that he think's Fellaini's a good player and could be part of an Arsenal team: Check
Also nice ad hom. Good logic. 10/10 would logic again.
The one match I remember him dominating against he was playing as a number 10 at the start of last season. He used his aerial ability and huge frame to bully our centrehalves. I have no recollection of him ever dominating as a centre midfielder. The same area of the field he was supposed to improve when he was bought for £27million. I'm not going to praise him for being competent against Westham. Until he starts performing at a high level (in midfield not as a number 10 or whatever position he played against City) in big matches my stance remains the same.
And can you guess who were they? Carrick and a partner! So any surprise a big guy would bully them.
Irrespective on how successful SAF's recent sides were, we all knew that we have to improve in terms of creativity, ball possession and retention in CM. Paul Scholes and Roy Keane had retired/grew old and lets face it they were never really replaced. Many were expecting a manager that is used to that football and would therefore work his socks of to bring the quality CM we needed. Moyes was a bit of disappointment not only because he never won anything but somehow he is old school, who believe in a hardworking and direct type of football. This type of football may be brutally effective at mid table level however it wont take clubs at a higher level.
Fellaini symbolises the football Moyes relied on for so many years. The guy was brutally effective at Everton. He could go toe to toe against the tough Stoke, West Ham and West Brom type of players and could catch off guard the big clubs who had since built their sides around continental football rather than the more direct EPL football. In many ways I understand why Moyes brought him here. The guy is a hardworking,he's a bad loser, he's totally loyal to Moyes and provide cover against the likes of smaller sides who used to bully us in the past. By bringing Fellaini at OT, Moyes was hoping to add more allies into the team and instill some fighting spirit in the side which quickly eroded once SAF was gone and had been replaced by a nobody whose clearly out of depth. In few words its was more of a political move rather than a tactical one. Unfortunately it backfired badly.
First of all the deal had the worst PR exercise ever. After losing SAF and bringing in a rookie, the last thing you want is to hype the fans by pushing for a world class player (Fabregas) only to bring in Fellaini. Its like promising your girlfriend that you're taking her for dinner at Le Gavroche only to end up in some lousy McDonalds sharing a Big Mac Meal. Having Paddy at MUTV wearing a friggin wig didn't help. It was evident that the club had failed to bring the talent the club needed and that Fellaini was a step to the wrong direction. Fellaini's transfer didn't had the effect on the squad that Moyes hoped for. Signing a Belgian international whose hardworking and is determined to do anything to win may impress Everton players/fans but it certainly wouldn't impress the Manchester United's players/fans who are used to world class players likes Scholes and Keano. Actually there's a bigger chance to infuriate them as clearly he would look out of depth at United especially in his first year.
I believe that its unfair to compare the Belgian with the Nolans of football. The guy does have some technique and he's brighter than he looks. Unfortunately as Kendall said, its almost impossible to come out with the ideal position for him. The guy has some technique and he's got enough brains to keep his passing simple. However he simply lack the vision, the creativity and the amazing passing ability to be a United type of playmaker. He's certainly hardworking and has the attitude of a DM. Unfortunately he lacks the position sense, the discipline and the leadership of a world class DM. At Everton he was brutally effective as no 10. However we dont play direct football and no big club does that anymore.
If you ask me, he will end up as a squad member, utilised when we need to add some steel or height to the side (possibly in a 3 men CM). Ultimately he may well win the United fans hearts, after all, many of us are renowned for their innate love for average players who only bring hard work to the table. However he's definitely not a 27m and not the CM we needed and if the rumours of Carvalho and Kroos are true then even Moyes would be confirming that.
PS: He wont be sold anytime soon EVEN if a new manager comes along. Our CM is too weak to kick a 27m signing away without at least giving a second look at him.
Fellaini symbolises the football Moyes relied on for so many years. The guy was brutally effective at Everton. He could go toe to toe against the tough Stoke, West Ham and West Brom type of players and could catch off guard the big clubs who had since built their sides around continental football rather than the more direct EPL football. In many ways I understand why Moyes brought him here. The guy is a hardworking,he's a bad loser, he's totally loyal to Moyes and provide cover against the likes of smaller sides who used to bully us in the past. By bringing Fellaini at OT, Moyes was hoping to add more allies into the team and instill some fighting spirit in the side which quickly eroded once SAF was gone and had been replaced by a nobody whose clearly out of depth. In few words its was more of a political move rather than a tactical one. Unfortunately it backfired badly.
First of all the deal had the worst PR exercise ever. After losing SAF and bringing in a rookie, the last thing you want is to hype the fans by pushing for a world class player (Fabregas) only to bring in Fellaini. Its like promising your girlfriend that you're taking her for dinner at Le Gavroche only to end up in some lousy McDonalds sharing a Big Mac Meal. Having Paddy at MUTV wearing a friggin wig didn't help. It was evident that the club had failed to bring the talent the club needed and that Fellaini was a step to the wrong direction. Fellaini's transfer didn't had the effect on the squad that Moyes hoped for. Signing a Belgian international whose hardworking and is determined to do anything to win may impress Everton players/fans but it certainly wouldn't impress the Manchester United's players/fans who are used to world class players likes Scholes and Keano. Actually there's a bigger chance to infuriate them as clearly he would look out of depth at United especially in his first year.
I believe that its unfair to compare the Belgian with the Nolans of football. The guy does have some technique and he's brighter than he looks. Unfortunately as Kendall said, its almost impossible to come out with the ideal position for him. The guy has some technique and he's got enough brains to keep his passing simple. However he simply lack the vision, the creativity and the amazing passing ability to be a United type of playmaker. He's certainly hardworking and has the attitude of a DM. Unfortunately he lacks the position sense, the discipline and the leadership of a world class DM. At Everton he was brutally effective as no 10. However we dont play direct football and no big club does that anymore.
If you ask me, he will end up as a squad member, utilised when we need to add some steel or height to the side (possibly in a 3 men CM). Ultimately he may well win the United fans hearts, after all, many of us are renowned for their innate love for average players who only bring hard work to the table. However he's definitely not a 27m and not the CM we needed and if the rumours of Carvalho and Kroos are true then even Moyes would be confirming that.
PS: He wont be sold anytime soon EVEN if a new manager comes along. Our CM is too weak to kick a 27m signing away without at least giving a second look at him.
Even if Arsenal wanted him, does it prove anything regarding his ability?
How many of those cost 27m pounds? Also Romeu is 22 and Tymoshchuk is much better DM than Fellaini.
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Did he choose his price tag?
Affelay was a highly regarded youngster when he moved to Barca and was perhaps a free transfer. Moreover, they had better players than him and he was never a player in the Fellaini mould so the comparisons are illogical.
Moreover, Fellaini was not bought to be a squad player. With the amount of money we splashed, we wanted him to play a major part which he has sadly failed to do so far. Unless you think 27.5 million pounds is pocket change for us and that is thrown for average players?
You just listed a bunch of players who barely played for their club in their CL winning seasons. Afellay doesn't even play in the same position.
If Fellaini becomes nothing more than a barely used fringe player (like the players you listed were for their respective clubs) then he will have been a monumental waste of 27.5m. At this price you expect someone who actually contributes to success. Not someone who plays in dead rubber games or gets brought on with 10 minutes to go.
He will likely never justify his price tag, but it shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with throughout his United career. It's just pointless. Clearly we overpaid, but that is not on Fellaini's head, it is on Moyes and Ed Woodward's.
He can go on to become a good squad member, and he will be especially useful playing in a 3 man midfield or against the lower half of the table. He could also be solid enough if he was deployed as a holding midfielder with a more mobile partner next to him. Either of these scenarios would be infinitely better times to judge him than asking him to somehow elevate the performance of the whole team against Liverpool and City, something which will never be his game.
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