It looks inevitable that he will leave. I hope that the board is prudent, and we loan him out for 18 months to serie A and he can wait out Mourinho there.
Martial has got to remain at United | No, he hasn't been unfollowing United players on Instagram
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Lukaku, De Bruyne, Salah.
He was starting to perform well. Manager gets a new player and shoves him out of his position. How is that remotely fair.
This, exactly. Trust the manager only goes so far when that manager has an awful track record of letting promising talent go only for them to flourish elsewhere and become "hey, we need a player like 'x' at United" players. I'm no Martial fanboy, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave and become the next De Bruyne/Salah in Mou's CV.
If he wants to go then he can feck off. Same with any other player that isn't 100% committed. Sick of this crap already.
He wants to stay then he needs to put the work in to get ahead of Sanchez/Lingard/Rashford because he is so far down the pecking order it's clear he isn't going to be relied on anytime soon if everyone is available.
Out of irritation/curiosity did Jose sell any youth player from Inter/Madrid that turned out to be a star? Sick of this De Bruyne/Salah nonsense as well. I'm convinced that Chelsea only bought Salah originally to keep him from joining Liverpool to begin with and he didn't want him to begin with.
He wants to stay then he needs to put the work in to get ahead of Sanchez/Lingard/Rashford because he is so far down the pecking order it's clear he isn't going to be relied on anytime soon if everyone is available.
Out of irritation/curiosity did Jose sell any youth player from Inter/Madrid that turned out to be a star? Sick of this De Bruyne/Salah nonsense as well. I'm convinced that Chelsea only bought Salah originally to keep him from joining Liverpool to begin with and he didn't want him to begin with.
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I really do wish we'd take this sort of option if he really is intent on leaving, it would be so smart. But I can't see it happen.
If he wants to stay I'd keep him if not I'd use him to prize a top player away from a club.
He wouldn't start consistently for any top 2 team in top 5 leagues. He's a good talent but i don't think he'll reach even hazard levels (Who has POTY under our current manager). It's best we sell him and recoup enough money to fund our right winger. We've sold so many great players and the club is still here and kicking.
SAF was ready to let Superstars go to nurture young promising players, too. Remember Ronaldo instantly getting the No 7 shirt as Beckams successor? Apart from Stam and perhaps Tevez, he let all star players go at the perfect time as they started to decline.
Jose on the other hand would let Martial go to buy Perisic or Bale.
And buying Sanchez is a different matter as it was the absolute right choice to get him.
Hilarious watching people twist themselves into pretzels to keep Martial here at all costs.
The same people that are criticizing our 30 goal striker at every chance, probably.
I doubt Jose is concerned with fairness as much as he is getting the squad to perform well.
So his contract can expire and he leaves on a free instead?
It's completely up to Martial if wants to become as good as Salah or De Bruyne and he might need to play for a club where they're not expected to win every weekend in order to do that like the other two names mentioned.
Martial has been poor and inconsistent this season. He's predictable, lacks flexibility and hasn't progressed since his first season with us. We've got better options on the left side and we wouldn't have even been interested in Sanchez if Martial was playing brilliantly, or if we was, it would be Sanchez being pushed out to the right side while Martial lit the left up.
If Martial is now threatening to leave then we should sell in the summer. The fact he didn't get any minutes in the FA cup game yesterday says he's already gone in my opinion.
The way he's responded to having competition in his positions is disappointing. He should be challenging for a place in training, not sulking. He's hardly given Jose a selection headache this season and we don't need players who are causing issues just because they're on the bench. You can't fault Jose for getting rid of him in the summer if he goes.
If we replace him with a top right winger we are in a MUCH better position.
It's like breaking up with your girlfriend, it might be the right thing for both of you but you don't see her do better.
That's generally my view as well. Players should view competition as an incentive to fight, not leave.
That's exactly what he did up until January. Then he was shunted onto the right.
Unfortunately that's how it goes sometimes. He's not going to be prioritized over Lukaku just to keep him happy.
Which was the perfect opportunity for him to show Jose how serious he is about playing for United. If I remember correctly there were a few games where him and Sanchez played together on both wings. He was largely shit in every match. He then responded by getting his girlfriend to make Tweets about him being misused on the right. Stellar response.
If he wants to leave, let him leave. We have worthy replacements already in place. I don't think he will do better elsewhere. But if he does a Salah in the next couple of years, we will buy him back for a hundred mil! What's the big deal?
We are United. Been there, done that.
We are United. Been there, done that.
I think people are twisting reality to make it look like a sensible decision to sell him.
He’s had a better season than Sanchez, and a lots of other players in that position as well. Up til january his goals +assist per played minutes was up there with the very best.
Of course we would be just fine without him as well but lets not pretend he’s had a horrible season. And what is the evidence he’s sulking btw? Didn’t Mourinho say earlier in the season that his in attitude in training was good? Or did i dream that happened?
He’s had a better season than Sanchez, and a lots of other players in that position as well. Up til january his goals +assist per played minutes was up there with the very best.
Of course we would be just fine without him as well but lets not pretend he’s had a horrible season. And what is the evidence he’s sulking btw? Didn’t Mourinho say earlier in the season that his in attitude in training was good? Or did i dream that happened?
Don't think he wants to be prioritised. Just treated fairly. He didn't seem to mind when he and Rashford were fighting for the LW at the start of the season. Lukaku being virtually undroppable and rarely being subbed means he rarely ever gets to play in his preferred position and, with Sanchez arriving, he'll barely even play in his secondary position. If he wants to become a striker, there's very little chance of him developing properly in the role while Jose's around. People can say that it's just competition, but I honestly see no scenario at all where, even if Lukaku or Sanchez are playing badly, he takes their one of their spots in the team. To him, what benefit is there sticking around, competing for a sub role with Rashford for a position that he doesn't even want to play long-term? If you had no previous ties to United, would you stick around in this situation?
Much of that is informed by his attitude in training and in the lockroom. If he has a dour reaction to sitting on the bench then that is obviously not going to help him in the manager's eyes.
They're assuming because Mourinho said in a press conference that instead of asking why Martial and Rashford aren't playing the press should be asking why Matic and Lukaku are playing so often.
Has there been anything saying he does? This sulk narrative seems to have taken off recently on here.
There's a 50 page thread in the transfer forum discussing his departure. That sort of thing is obviously not going to help his cause.
More profoundly, Mourinho sees everything about him in training. If there is something he doesn't like about his effort or attitude, then he is obviously not going to be incentivized to give him more minutes.
This crap about Jose letting Salah go needs to stop. Firstly, it was Jose who spotted Salah's talent and signed him for Chelsea in the first place. But Chelsea went and won the Prem without Salah in the team, so Jose loaned him out to get game time and develop.
Chelsea sacked Jose in December 2015. Chelsea sold Salah in August 2016. Jose did not sell Salah.
Re: Lukaku, does he not play for Jose now? Did him leaving Chelsea and joining West Brom and then Everton not make him the player he is today? And if Jose was so bad why would Lukaku choose to work with him again?
It might have been good earlier in the season, but what is it now? Jose also said Shaw was going to be the future LB at Utd, then subsequently dropped him. So, we can only go by what we see, and many of us see a very sulky looking player. We got the FA Cup final yesterday, and the team and staff were all ecstatic, yet one person didn't seem to care and that person was Martial. We all saw that on the TV pictures, it wasn't even remotely missable.
He was laughing and hugging his teammates. How does that equate to sulking ?
Guessing he's going off this video but even then you can see him with a Martial-style smile to Faria briefly (about 15 secs in).
Martial rarely seems ecstatic tbf, he just seems to have a shy and introvert personality. I couldn’t see any sulking in his performance against Bournemouth 4 days ago, could you?
But perhaps you are right and he is looking to leave in the summer. Time will tell.
Exactly, it's his face and his demeanor. It only takes him scoring to fully crack a big smile but in general he's like that on the video.
You're trying to find something that isn't there. Only one video in which he's about 5 seconds. Maybe you have something else ?
going off that clip Shaw and Bailly are sulking aswell
There is nothing to suggest a bad attitude. It's pretty simple with Martial, he needs to feel that the manager believes in him. He doesn't mind being given a bollocking as long as he knows it's for his own good. He explained already how strict LVG was with him, but that he was fine with this as he knew LVG wanted him to improve.
He actually responded to Mourinho's so called 'tough love', and forced himself into the team, only for Mourinho to break that trust the player was developing with him by getting Sanchez and shoving Martial out of the starting line up.
What that says to the player is that no matter what he does, the manager doesn't give a shit about being fair to him, hence the loss of confidence and consideration of a possible move.
People blindly allowing Mourinho to manipulate them into thinking certain players aren't good enough will regret it. Instead of acknowledging his limitations in regards to getting the best out of attacking players, he's spending his energy trying to convince fans that player a,b or c doesn't work hard enoughAnd some fans are falling for this.
The manager is untrustworthy and a narcissist, and will cause serious damage if he's allowed to dictate the direction of the club.
Very well put.
Whatever you think of Mourinho, the way he has handled Martial has been very poor and it will reflect poorly on him and the club in the eyes of other young talented players that may be of interest to the club in the future.
I hope the situation gets resolved quickly, as I'd really like to see Martial's development week-in, week-out with a manager that has faith in him and will give him the same leeway as he does with his other players, which has not been the case under Mourinho.
Has anyone mentioned KdB and Salah yet on this page?
It's a cult following.
Should we try to keep Martial - absolutely
Should he be given whatever he wants - absolutely not
If Martial wants to leave and we sell him to fund transfers for our weak areas in the team then it is good for the club. Martial sure as hell isn't elite level, and won't be an elite level forward for a few years.
Griezmann, Dybala, Insigne, Isco. We have been screaming for an upgrade on Mata but haven't got them due to other areas needing work.
There is nothing to suggest a bad attitude. It's pretty simple with Martial, he needs to feel that the manager believes in him. He doesn't mind being given a bollocking as long as he knows it's for his own good. He explained already how strict LVG was with him, but that he was fine with this as he knew LVG wanted him to improve.
He actually responded to Mourinho's so called 'tough love', and forced himself into the team, only for Mourinho to break that trust the player was developing with him by getting Sanchez and shoving Martial out of the starting line up.
What that says to the player is that no matter what he does, the manager doesn't give a shit about being fair to him, hence the loss of confidence and consideration of a possible move.
People blindly allowing Mourinho to manipulate them into thinking certain players aren't good enough will regret it. Instead of acknowledging his limitations in regards to getting the best out of attacking players, he's spending his energy trying to convince fans that player a,b or c doesn't work hard enough
The manager is untrustworthy and a narcissist, and will cause serious damage if he's allowed to dictate the direction of the club.
This. One thing that I also noticed while reading this thread is that most people are indifferent to this (and to Martial's possible move). Something that I am worried about is our future. Mourinho is not here for a long term, probably the coming season is his last with us, and one common thread that I see with him is that he is looking for a proven player (preferably a warrior) that is in his late 20's. Sanchez is almost 30, Mourinho's primary target last summer was Ivan Perisic who falls in the same age bracket as Sanchez. Now don't get me wrong, such players are required in your team, but not at the expense of a player that is superb technically, and with the right guidance can be a game changer. I know that Martial has his flaws (and tracking back is one of them), but at the same time he has shown his qualities prior to Sanchez's arrival. I just hope that we won't find ourselves back to square one after Mourinho's tenure, and by square one I mean an aging squad that requires serious investment to once again compete (similar to Inter's position after Jose left).
Reminds me a bit of the old Januzaj posse. Everything from the coaches, system, circumstances is to blame - except of course the player.