Martial has got to remain at United | No, he hasn't been unfollowing United players on Instagram

Velvet Revolver said:
His debut season yes, where he was the best-attacking player in the team. He carried the team I know that, but when the team is improving with better players you expect players like him to apply and do better than that. But recently it's been 'let's hope martial is in a mood today' - why? why can't he play with the 'mood' always? As I said I am against him going. I hope he stays and earns $$$ for the clauses in his contract :drool:
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You mean this season where after Jan he was the top goals + assists player per minutes in the side?
 
Cassidy said:
You mean this season where after Jan he was the top goals + assists player per minutes in the side?
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Sure go ahead. Highlight the lines that want to argue about. Stats dont show the bigger picture. A player can come on after 80 mins and score 1/2 goals when the team is already winning doesn't mean he is having a great game. ( again i am sure you will highlight this piece and talk about it) Well then according to your analysis Mikhi should have been our best player after first few games into the season! Look where he is now!

Repeating myself again! I want martial to stay. I hope he does.
 
Velvet Revolver said:
Sure go ahead. Highlight the lines that want to argue about. Stats dont show the bigger picture. A player can come on after 80 mins and score 1/2 goals when the team is already winning doesn't mean he is having a great game. ( again i am sure you will highlight this piece and talk about it) Well then according to your analysis Mikhi should have been our best player after first few games into the season! Look where he is now!

Repeating myself again! I want martial to stay. I hope he does.
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I take exception with the fact we have to wait for him to be in the mood. When he gets consistent time in the side he produces, thats just fact.
 
Cassidy said:
I take exception with the fact we have to wait for him to be in the mood. When he gets consistent time in the side he produces, thats just fact.
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They will try to re-write history - watch, they will now say Sanchez hit the ground running and has been in form and therefore deserves to be keeping Martial out.

I think it might be a coping mechanism
 
GM K said:
What if they are being worked on but he's not catching on? What if he is not keen? What if he feels he knows it all? Just saying.

My point is that we don't really know. This might be a case of Jose absolutely mismanaging a great talent or the player not just keen or humble enough to improve his play under the manager. We can only speculate.

One thing I do know about football is that managers see far more than we fans see when it comes to players and they pick their teams based on factors apart from pure talent displayed on the pitch. Attitude and character mean a lot to many top managers.

Having said all that, I wish Martial has his heart set on United and he is willing to bid his time and earn his shirt. But there have been too many rumours about his desire to leave over the last one year that I have become convinced he will not be at United next season.
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Because Mourinho has previous for not working well with young players. A lot of young players seem to be thriving under other managers whereas the only players who seem to be improving under Mourinho are the hard working, runner types. Not one attacker has seriously improved at United, Lingard is going through a purple patch and he will definitely won't start next season if we sign a number 10, Lukaku has only seemed to have improved recently despite him being our focal point of attack. Sancehz, Pogba are all struggling.
 
Always unlikely he’d be at United for long time once Rashford broke through. Two very similar players and one is a local lad. Martial would have to be clearer better to win this selection battle and he’s not. Sanchez has just complicated this earlier than expected.
 
I remember him losing his head against huddersfield after their player wind him up 15 minutes in and then he played rubbish for the rest of the game. I wouldn't lose any sleep if he decide to left us seems like he doesn't have the right mentality to be top player.
 
Plonker said:
What a pathetic childish post, as a united fan why would you not want him to stay and smash it at united?
Why are you even concerned about his career?
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When have I ever mentioned I was a United fan?

maniwin said:
I remember him losing his head against huddersfield after their player wind him up 15 minutes in and then he played rubbish for the rest of the game. I wouldn't lose any sleep if he decide to left us seems like he doesn't have the right mentality to be top player.
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I think that's a valid point, his mentality. However, I think him deciding to leave is a step in the right direction in the sense that he is not okay being second fiddle and settling for the bench with the odd start here and there. I think it would be bad news both for Martial and United if he was fine collecting his checks and playing here and there.
 
I love the potential of martial but he really only has himself to blame for not having the strength of character, drive and desire to improve, which is what holds him back.

Physically he has all the tools to be world class but there is something holding him back mentally.

The comparison between young Cristiano and the mindset he showed at the same age against what we see with martial is clear.

A players attitude can be the difference between a world class player and a young supreme talent, a players needs the right attitude to make the transition.

His movement, desire and drive is poor and I would have expected him to try and improve these areas so I can see why he doesn’t necessarily fit the Jose mould. Rashford, although probably not as talented at martial has all of the above which makes him more appealing to a manager.

It’s up to him but these failings and a lack of self awareness to his flaws will hold him back.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Because Mourinho has previous for not working well with young players. A lot of young players seem to be thriving under other managers whereas the only players who seem to be improving under Mourinho are the hard working, runner types. Not one attacker has seriously improved at United, Lingard is going through a purple patch and he will definitely won't start next season if we sign a number 10, Lukaku has only seemed to have improved recently despite him being our focal point of attack. Sancehz, Pogba are all struggling.
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I understand when people don't like a manager. That's perfectly normal and fine. But when facts are distorted to make points against a manager, I get a bit confused. How can anyone say with a straight face that Jose Mourinho has not worked well with young players? Or that no attacker has improved at United?
Sanchez was struggling before he left Arsenal and made his switch in the middle of the season. Suddenly, his initial poor form is Mourinho's fault? Pogba had injury problems and experienced a dip in form. Suddenly, that is Mourinho's fault? Mourinho has a lot of faults and much should be hung on his neck but come on, let's keep facts sacred.
 
Yes, Martial has got to stay and Jose needs to do everything to make both Martial and Rashford stay at United. I would like to see how Rashford plays in the World Cup.
 
When I checked the time, this thread is actually poster before the recent thread about Martial wanted game time otherwise he'll leave us.

I totally agree with OP.

I think Martial deserves more game time as well. He has shown that he is capable to lift the team as shown by his form in January before Sanchez came. He has so far in my opinion grows better each year. Although his goal tally did not increase, he successfully transformed well from his role under LvG to Mourinho. His growth is the key in a way that in the future he can be the next world class player. The key for us is to make him does it consistently, e.g. against Chelsea he was quite disappointing. For that, I think he can and he should play more for us.

To add, we should also look from Martial perspective. I have the impression that he felt that he was not treated well related with the shirt number when Ibra came. Furthermore, his minutes is reduced as Mourinho took over. Now with Sanchez here, why would he think he will get more minutes. I am not sure how ambitious he is because there are always rumors about him lately in transfer window. If he wants trophies he could get it here of course. So, I also thought he still wants to stay as we won trophies last year and could become even more competitive. But he obviously also wants game time.

If he once moved from OL to Monace at young age, he could think why would not he moved from United. This a big risk to me, he could be a world-class player in the future. We also paid big money for him. With De Bruyne and Salah story as ex-Mourinho, he could haunt back that kind of feeling that Chelsea fan felt for us.
 
Letting talented young players move on is a terrible spiral to go down. Look at how Chelsea rejects developed.
 
The signing of Sanchez was a vote of no confidence against Martial...Jose knew very well that Sanchez wanted to play on the left and he also knew very well that Martial didn't have the tools to play on the right.He still went ahead and signed Sanchez knowing fully well that this would seriously limit his game time...

Jose probably feels that he can't give regular game time to 2 precocious young talents at the same time,who both incidentally like to play in the same position.He wants more consistency from his attacking players,so he has decided to invest his time and effort on developing Rashford rather than Martial.I think he will probably leave in the summer....
 
Martial PL minutes played: 1334

Lingard PL Minutes played: 1542

Lingard PL Goals/Assists: 8 goals, 5 Assists

Martial PL Goals/Assists: 9 goals, 6 Assists



In the last 3 seasons:

Martial: 5536 mins, 24 goals, 15 assists
Willian: 5959 mins, 19 goals,14 assists
Perisic: 7853 mins, 27 goals, 22 assists

Martial plays one game and is then dropped for few. If he scores or gets an assists it doesn't matter or mean anything. How long did we have to wait for Sanchez to look like a footballer. He was allowed several opportunity to find form. Every player needs a run of games to find consistency.



Rashford/Martial ahead. Lingard has had a good season but with less opportunities Martial has still produced the goods in terms of goals/assists.

Martial is capable of getting plenty of goals and assists. He should instrumental to our team. Selling him would an incredibly backwards step.
 
The_Order said:
A good manager would be able to accommodate young and established players.

Good amount of rotation helps, instead of playing the same into the ground and when squad players don't perform in a single game - banish them to the shadow realm.
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Mourinho will run his favorites into the ground and when they inevitably burn out out or go down with a heavy injury, all the pressure will be on the young guys to produce instantly. It's very annoying how he can never sub his preferred no. 9 no matter how bad they are playing or if the game is won, as it happened with Zlatan and this season with Lukaku. We have massive talents for the future who prefer to play as strikers but he refuses to give them chances at the position even as subs. Nurturing talent isn't his strong suit to say the least. He has had my support on a lot of things but selling Martial will be a turning point, one of the main reasons I was excited for Mourinho as United manager was the thought that he wanted to use the opportunity to show he can build a team for the long term, and selling the best young talent we've had in over a decade is certainly not in line with that thought. It will be an incredibly selfish decision for his short term gain while the club loses for the long term. Not to mention the aging galactico or workhorse he will replace Martial with will need time to integrate into the team and may bring more disruption than cohesion, with the team failing to deliver even on the short term success. I obviously hope the best for the club after whatever Mourinho does, but selling Martial will be a huge gamble he doesn't need to take that potentially has more downside than upside for the club.
 
Sanchez coming in has sent a clear message to Martial which is feck OFF! I can see this being another case of Pogba where we will let him go and later regret it.
 
Martial was doing well before Sanchez came in. Needs to leave for the sake of his own development, however, I'd love if he stays and does well with us. Hopefully, it is just a new contract game.
 
GM K said:
I understand when people don't like a manager. That's perfectly normal and fine. But when facts are distorted to make points against a manager, I get a bit confused. How can anyone say with a straight face that Jose Mourinho has not worked well with young players? Or that no attacker has improved at United?
Sanchez was struggling before he left Arsenal and made his switch in the middle of the season. Suddenly, his initial poor form is Mourinho's fault? Pogba had injury problems and experienced a dip in form. Suddenly, that is Mourinho's fault? Mourinho has a lot of faults and much should be hung on his neck but come on, let's keep facts sacred.
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Which attacker has really improved under Mourinho? Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Mata and Sanchez are all extremely inconsistent, they go through a bit of form and then absolutely drop off.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Which attacker has really improved under Mourinho? Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Mata and Sanchez are all extremely inconsistent, they go through a bit of form and then absolutely drop off.
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Lukaku, Rashford and Lingard have all improved from their form previous years.

Mata at 28 and Sanchez at 29 aren't supposed to need a manager to improve them anymore. They are supposed to perform.

Pogba and Martial, Ok, will give you that.
 
OldTrevil said:
Mourinho will run his favorites into the ground and when they inevitably burn out out or go down with a heavy injury, all the pressure will be on the young guys to produce instantly. It's very annoying how he can never sub his preferred no. 9 no matter how bad they are playing or if the game is won, as it happened with Zlatan and this season with Lukaku. We have massive talents for the future who prefer to play as strikers but he refuses to give them chances at the position even as subs. Nurturing talent isn't his strong suit to say the least. He has had my support on a lot of things but selling Martial will be a turning point, one of the main reasons I was excited for Mourinho as United manager was the thought that he wanted to use the opportunity to show he can build a team for the long term, and selling the best young talent we've had in over a decade is certainly not in line with that thought. It will be an incredibly selfish decision for his short term gain while the club loses for the long term. Not to mention the aging galactico or workhorse he will replace Martial with will need time to integrate into the team and may bring more disruption than cohesion, with the team failing to deliver even on the short term success. I obviously hope the best for the club after whatever Mourinho does, but selling Martial will be a huge gamble he doesn't need to take that potentially has more downside than upside for the club.
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The zealots won't hear it. They will swear up and down its a myth. Jose has no weaknesses.
He's just too awesome to stay at any one club for more than 36 months.

Losing Martial will be my breaking point as well.

I could take the shite football, the negativity, the toxicity and pathological need to throw his own players under the bus publicly. Because in fairness we have progressed.

But this will have long term effects for after he is gone. I can not abide.
 
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He’s replaceable and isn’t as good as people think. Not good enough to be lone number 9. Isn’t a winger. Not good enough to have a team built around him. Probably never will be. So many excuses made for him. He’s talented but there’s other talented players out there.

His debut season was great especially considering the times we were in. However, if people think we can win the top trophies whilst Martial is the main man (like he was under LVG), they are wrong.

To get the best out of him I think we would have to play him off Lukaku, most probably in a 352. I just do not see him being the most effective option for our forward line other than in that scenario.

There is a possibility that we play 352 next year with new fullbacks, so perhaps he can be persuaded to stay that way. Even in the 352, he will be competing with Sanchez for that position off Lukaku. Sanchez will link play better, Martial may be more dangerous around the box.

I do agree that Jose should rotate Lukaku more, especially in games when we are 2 or 3 goals up. I personally do not have that much faith in Rashford or Martial as starting strikers in important league fixtures though.
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
Martial is a good player but the amount of hype around on here is crazy. We could definitely replace him if we let him go.
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Seriously... you figure we were selling CR7 again. Great talent but very inconsistent. And yet the blame for his inconsistencies go to everyone but Martial.
 
reddevil702 said:
Seriously... you figure we were selling CR7 again. Great talent but very inconsistent. And yet the blame for his inconsistencies go to everyone but Martial.
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The thing is we all know Martial has that superstar potential in him, that level of excellence that sets him apart from players of a similar age bracket, the problem is whether or not he can realise that potential whilst remaining a United player, or more specifically, a United player under Jose. Personally I think not. There is a clear divide between player and manager, made evident by Jose's signing of Sanchez and then throwing him in to the first team at the expense of Martial, at a time when the latter was beginning to show top form no less. Can you blame the lad for feeling somewhat aggrieved given the circumstances?

For Martial it becomes a case of either knuckling down and making the most of the situation (waiting out Jose in the process) or simply moving on to a new club, one where his abilities are appreciated, playing under a manager who both understands what he brings to the table and is willing to work with his inconsistent nature.
 
Very surprised about all the downtalk of Martial. He is the most talented player since... Nani, I guess? Can't blame him at all for wanting to leave though.
 
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reddevil702 said:
Seriously... you figure we were selling CR7 again. Great talent but very inconsistent. And yet the blame for his inconsistencies go to everyone but Martial.
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True, he has crept into the hearts of the fans. Fair enough he is no CR7 yet or maybe never will be but a lot of people look at Jose's track record for selling true world class talent and are a bit wary at the situation. Can you imagine how the fans/club will feel when they sell Martial and he starts showing and living up to his potential and Jose pisses off 6 months to a year later for greener pastures.
It is more or less like Zaha at CP now, what could we have used his pace and drive on the right hand side now.
 
Georgie_Best said:
Very surprised about all the downtalk of Martial. He is the most talented player since... Nani, I guess? Can't blame him at all for wanting to leave though.
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So, he'll be Ronaldo for one game and do nothing for months? I won't lose any sleep if he leaves in that case.
 
Marcky411 said:
True, he has crept into the hearts of the fans. Fair enough he is no CR7 yet or maybe never will be but a lot of people look at Jose's track record for selling true world class talent and are a bit wary at the situation. Can you imagine how the fans/club will feel when they sell Martial and he starts showing and living up to his potential and Jose pisses off 6 months to a year later for greener pastures.
It is more or less like Zaha at CP now, what could we have used his pace and drive on the right hand side now.
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There's no denying Martial's talent and I'd hate to lose him but until he his able to show consistency then why shouldn't he be rotated. We should always have competition for starting spots and unless you're at the level of CR7 or Messi, no spot in the XI should be guaranteed. As for KDB and Salah, yes, both big mistakes from Jose, but hindsight is 20/20 and I don't remember there being much fuss about either one at the time they were sold. Even if Jose leaves in a year's time and Martial is successful at another club, who would have done more for Manchester United, Jose or Martial?
 
Nikelesh Reddy said:
The signing of Sanchez was a vote of no confidence against Martial...Jose knew very well that Sanchez wanted to play on the left and he also knew very well that Martial didn't have the tools to play on the right.He still went ahead and signed Sanchez knowing fully well that this would seriously limit his game time...

Jose probably feels that he can't give regular game time to 2 precocious young talents at the same time,who both incidentally like to play in the same position.He wants more consistency from his attacking players,so he has decided to invest his time and effort on developing Rashford rather than Martial.I think he will probably leave in the summer....
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The problem is that it is impossible in this day and age to sit back and allow a talented youngster to slowly develop .in the premier lge we have created a monster with instant success the requirement of all our top teams hence the ridiculous management merry go round every season.
A top manager knows he doesn't have the luxury of surviving a bad season even if he won the title the previous campaign .
A season outside of champions lge places is deemed a disaster and a sackable offence hence managers are far more likely to take the the option of buying a "proven " Sanchez rather than the risk of developing a Martial because they know that although we like to talk about looking longevity and continuity no football fans ( or owners come to that ) will be patient.
I hope Martial stays but don't believe he will and I won't lose sleep over it as you can virtually guarantee that 90 % of articles written about him still contain the word potential and after all this time I don't think that is acceptable
 
I somewhat believe that we're happy for Martial to leave, simply to allow Bale to take up the #11 shirt.
 
reddevil702 said:
Seriously... you figure we were selling CR7 again. Great talent but very inconsistent. And yet the blame for his inconsistencies go to everyone but Martial.
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Everyone was saying the same thing about Ronaldo at that age, but Fergie kept faith with him and kept playing him. Not saying Martial will turn out to be anywhere near Ronaldo quality.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Which attacker has really improved under Mourinho? Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Mata and Sanchez are all extremely inconsistent, they go through a bit of form and then absolutely drop off.
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I get your point but inthink lukaku has improved massively. He looks like a better all round player. Although not any where near perfect, but touch pace and desire are all much better. He has a great cross and draws opposition defenders away from the centre. If the rest of our players took more risk, his movement would allow much more space. Saying that, this is what lingard is good at.

To the martial point -he has to stay. Jose has not given him a consistent chnace yet he has consistently delivered. I feel with him we are more direct. He is the only player we have who isbcapeable of genuinely dribbling past a defender or 5!
 
ghagua said:
Everyone was saying the same thing about Ronaldo at that age, but Fergie kept faith with him and kept playing him. Not saying Martial will turn out to be anywhere near Ronaldo quality.
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Martial is 22 at that age Ronaldo was the runner up for the balón d’or. You’re right the same was said about Ronaldo but much earlier into his United career. Which really goes to show the lack of progress from Martial 3 years into his United career.
 
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