Martial has got to remain at United | No, he hasn't been unfollowing United players on Instagram

Nate Dogg said:
Sane, Jesus.

The worrying thing with Martial is he is annoyingly thick.
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Neither of those, particularly Jesus is consistent. They also play under a coach who maps out attacks for them. If Jose brings in a proper attacking coach then Martial will shine along with the rest of them. Hell he already gave us 2 good months this year, playing in a disjointed attack, before Sanchez came (whose stunk the place out too, is Sanchez also shit?)

Edit: you can be Xavi and if the runs aren't being made then you'll look pretty crap.
 
I can't say I know where exactly Martial is failing Jose, but he hasn't really been pulling up trees when he's played this season. You can play yourself into become undroppable, even in a couple of games. Yea he's a good player who could become great, but he hasn't convinced me enough to shed any tears if he leaves. Just hasn't followed on from his debut season. If the money for him will be invested in an area we're lacking, I won't mind. Sanchez will do for a couple of seasons...
 
Guys we may as well lock this thread until there's any news. At the moment we're just going round in circles.

The Martial debate has become a referendum on Mourinho and noone is going to back down or change their position.
 
Though I can't shake the feeling Pep would make Martial what he's made Sterling...
 
Fridge chutney said:
Bookmakers think he'll leave.
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Don’t think this is very indicative as these markets are very volatile. Especially when a certain media outlet is claiming to hear things from ‘sources’. I know that this hasn’t happened yet but I bet it will.
 
Okey said:
I can't say I know where exactly Martial is failing Jose, but he hasn't really been pulling up trees when he's played this season. You can play yourself into become undroppable, even in a couple of games. Yea he's a good player who could become great, but he hasn't convinced me enough to shed any tears if he leaves. Just hasn't followed on from his debut season. If the money for him will be invested in an area we're lacking, I won't mind. Sanchez will do for a couple of seasons...
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In your honest opinion how has he been since he signed or are you basing that on his form for Arsenal? I'll say it for the hundred time, none of our attackers have looked good this season including our attack minded midfielders (Pogba). If every other attacker looked great and Martial was shite I'd be all for selling him but nobody has looked good. In fact Martial's best performances this year have been the best our attackers have managed.

I'd get rid of Mata (too slow) and then I'd get in a proper attack coach to work with the rest and give them at least a year to develop. Never underestimate what a proper attacking system designed to get the best out of players can do for those players. For example, under Klopp, I have no doubt in my mind that Martial would quickly displace Mane in that side.

The bottom line is that Martial can be blamed if it's only him underperforming him but the fact is that everyone is.
 
Okey said:
Though I can't shake the feeling Pep would make Martial what he's made Sterling...
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I honestly don’t think Pep would like Martial’s lack of movement both when his team has the ball and without. He likes his players to be far more industrious.
 
@robinamicrowave @padr81 just for opinions, would you consider Sane and Jesus to be consistent? I've seen them do well this year but I've also seen them have awful games, which is expected of young players.
 
Martial out, Malcom in would give our squad a lot more balance. Then in a few years we can have a forward three of Malcom, Lukaku and Rashford.
 
kidbob said:
In your honest opinion how has he been since he signed or are you basing that on his form for Arsenal? I'll say it for the hundred time, none of our attackers have looked good this season including our attack minded midfielders (Pogba). If every other attacker looked great and Martial was shite I'd be all for selling him but nobody has looked good. In fact Martial's best performances this year have been the best our attackers have managed.

I'd get rid of Mata (too slow) and then I'd get in a proper attack coach to work with the rest and give them at least a year to develop. Never underestimate what a proper attacking system designed to get the best out of players can do for those players. For example, under Klopp, I have no doubt in my mind that Martial would quickly displace Mane in that side.

The bottom line is that Martial can be blamed if it's only him underperforming him but the fact is that everyone is.
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I really just mean there's someone to play there who won't do worse, if the Martial money got us a sorely needed player, like right winger. I think after a summer off we should see a good Sanchez next season. But I couldn't agree more with your point about our attacking system (or lack of one). That's a fundamental problem at the moment.
 
Okey said:
I can't say I know where exactly Martial is failing Jose, but he hasn't really been pulling up trees when he's played this season. You can play yourself into become undroppable, even in a couple of games. Yea he's a good player who could become great, but he hasn't convinced me enough to shed any tears if he leaves. Just hasn't followed on from his debut season. If the money for him will be invested in an area we're lacking, I won't mind. Sanchez will do for a couple of seasons...
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Here's the tricky thing though, no one has been pulling up trees this season outside of De Gea, absolutely no one. Martial has done his job coming back from being behind Rashford to taking the starting spot and having game-winning impact after some on here were saying he could only do it against tired legs coming off the bench, which was always a ridiculous notion but they had to be shown that through actual games. Then Sanchez came in, and instead of filling a need on the right, it relegated Martial back to the bench for a Sanchez who has yet to show any kind of consistency or more of an impact that Martial has had. Instead of adapting him to the right wing and leaving the left wing to Martial and Rashford (the former who has done a productive job from there), the coach decides to shun the player who worked hard to get back to the starting line up for a 29 year old player who has yet to show any kind of consistent form. If some really can't understand why that would be discouraging, especially if it results losing a spot in the world cup squad after he had made it back when he was stringing good performances with the club, then you're really thick and have no ability to put yourself in other player's shoes. I completely get where Martial is coming from, and I won't be surprised if he decides he's had enough and look elsewhere. Now, whether the club will get an offer good enough to provide an adequate replacement remains to be seen.
 
Why would Martial want to leave ? Manchester United is the biggest club in the world. He had plenty of opportunities to show consistency in his performances. Mourinho's trust needs to be earned. If he moves to another club with the same attitude, he'll have the same problems. I mean, if the player doesn't have the desire to ''make it'' at Manchester United, where will he find that motivation ?
 
Luke1995 said:
Why would Martial want to leave ? Manchester United is the biggest club in the world. He had plenty of opportunities to show consistency in his performances. Mourinho's trust needs to be earned. If he moves to another club with the same attitude, he'll have the same problems. I mean, if the player doesn't have the desire to ''make it'' at Manchester United, where will he find that motivation ?
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Cos he likes to blame circumstances, clubs, manager, etc - except himself for his shortcomings
 
Okey said:
Though I can't shake the feeling Pep would make Martial what he's made Sterling...
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Other than skillful, Sterling is actually a hardworker and clever player; even before Pep coach him. I think Mou would love to have Sterling.
 
There will be alot of people attempting to downplay the lad's talent in an attempt to satiate their denial and sense of loss when he does go.

Wherever Jose has gone he has cost them something, this will be our price to pay.

I hope he stays, but given the type of treatment José gives to his most talented players and the praise he gives to the dullard workhorses, I would not be surprised if a fair few players are looking for an out.
 
The_Order said:
There will be alot of people attempting to downplay the lad's talent in an attempt to satiate their denial and sense of loss when he does go.

Wherever Jose has gone he has cost them something, this will be our price to pay.

I hope he stays, but given the type of treatment José gives to his most talented players and the praise he gives to the dullard workhorses, I would not be surprised if a fair few players are looking for an out.
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haha what?! What’s this based on?
Enlighten us re Chelski 1, Inter, Porto and Real Madrid please
 
The_Order said:
There will be alot of people attempting to downplay the lad's talent in an attempt to satiate their denial and sense of loss when he does go.

Wherever Jose has gone he has cost them something, this will be our price to pay.

I hope he stays, but given the type of treatment José gives to his most talented players and the praise he gives to the dullard workhorses, I would not be surprised if a fair few players are looking for an out.
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:lol:

Oh please... You're making Martial out to be the second coming. What has he achieved at the club that warrants such high appraisal? Sure he is a talented lad and his form during that first season led us to believe he was a world beater in the making, but truth be told he hasn't come close to reaching the levels expected of him since that honeymoon period. After he goes (if he goes at all) he will simply be replaced by a player of equal or greater potential/ability. Like a great many players before him. Martial will be no exception.
 
The_Order said:
There will be alot of people attempting to downplay the lad's talent in an attempt to satiate their denial and sense of loss when he does go.

Wherever Jose has gone he has cost them something, this will be our price to pay.

I hope he stays, but given the type of treatment José gives to his most talented players and the praise he gives to the dullard workhorses, I would not be surprised if a fair few players are looking for an out.
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Genuinely, better than Nani for us?
 
Okey said:
Though I can't shake the feeling Pep would make Martial what he made Sterling...
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Of course Pep would and it would be for the same reasons that LVG got the best out of Martial. Just look at this image of how City’s team shape up

https://ibb.co/fMWMRJ

Pep plays his wingers so wide and makes the pitch huge, even when the ball is on the other side of the pitch. This means when play is switched the wingers are in acres of space and so guys who are great at running into space and taking defenders one on one like Martial, Sane, Douglas Costa etc would thrive. This is exactly the same thing LVG did as their management styles are based on the same principles.

The issue is while yes Pep would get the best out of Martial, does that mean the whole team would would be better for it? Not necessarily. We don’t really have the team to play Peps style, he had Xavi & Iniesta, Lahm and Thiago, Silva and De Bruyne - we don’t have any guys who can play those roles. We don’t have Busquets or Pique/Boateng, we don’t have the flying wingbacks. Frankly we don’t have the right players and we are many transfer windows away from getting them. We don’t have the movement, quality or intelligence to play Peps team. I mean he struggled in his first season with City even with some of the world class players they had.

I think if we tried to play Peps system we’d end up with a similar situation to the LVG season and we’d do worse overall than we did this season with Mou.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Rashford is about the same...no football intelligence whatsoever!
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Martial has little football intelligence which is why he will likely never be world class. I fear the same for Rashford but since he is younger he must be given time to learn.
 
The_Order said:
There will be alot of people attempting to downplay the lad's talent in an attempt to satiate their denial and sense of loss when he does go.

Wherever Jose has gone he has cost them something, this will be our price to pay.

I hope he stays, but given the type of treatment José gives to his most talented players and the praise he gives to the dullard workhorses, I would not be surprised if a fair few players are looking for an out.
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Did SAF cost us Pogba??Come on,he's working day in and day out with the lads....He sees them every day in training,if he's not picking Martial then it's because he doesn't deserve to play every week.A lot of folks have questioned Martials attitude in the past...even at Monaco his work ethic and discipline was repeatedly questioned by the manager and the coaching staff....
 
gerdm07 said:
Martial has little football intelligence which is why he will likely never be world class. I fear the same for Rashford but since he is younger he must be given time to learn.
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I think Rashford can work off instinct more, which bodes for better for him.
 
I had a dream last night that I was asked to do the pre-match tactical planning against Arsenal for SAF and then be the commentator's friend during the game. But I had no fecking idea what I was talking about and it was really awkward. Glad it was just a dream.

Martial is sh#t. Rashford is thick. We should replace them as soon as possible.
 
Certainly losing martial is like when Chelsea lost De bruyne and Mo Salah.
 
gerdm07 said:
Martial has little football intelligence which is why he will likely never be world class. I fear the same for Rashford but since he is younger he must be given time to learn.
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Unfortunately Rashford will go down the same route/level as Wellbeck.
 
padzilla said:
Yes it was a good season for Rooney but I think it is fair to say we were never close again to be the machine we were with Ronaldo in our ranks. What's interesting about Martial is that, like Ronaldo, he has not set the world alight in his first three seasons here and his first season was actually the best for him by some distance.
How many players have we signed that finally fulfilled their potential in their fourth season. Again Ronaldo is an interesting comparison here because Fergie got rid of RVN to rebuild his side's shape around the other players so the pace and power of Rooney and Ronaldo could be fully utilised.
You see it with Liverpool as well now - Salah, Firminho and Mane running at terrified defenders whereas every time Martial, Rashford or Sanchez are in an advanced position they take a touch to slow it down and play an easy, sensible pass back to a team mate instead of going for the jugular - I genuinely think that has to be down to coaching and will Jose advise them to lose the shackles this year? I am not so sure.
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Ronaldo in his first three years was still doing well, dancing past players and had a lot of really good games. He was just frustrating over doing somes, final product sometimes and the greed and petulance but comparing his performances in the first three seasons with Martial the difference is huge, we would be happy with the first three years performances of Ronaldo in the last three years here. Difference is light and day. Problem for me with Martials success.....is personally he should be a striker I would compare him more to Henry who struggled at Juve and Arsenal at first in the same position Martial is playing fro us. With mourinho in charge he is never going to be playing up front for us, for that reason alone let alone others, I am happy for him to go, best for both parties in the current set up.
 
Okey said:
I can't say I know where exactly Martial is failing Jose, but he hasn't really been pulling up trees when he's played this season. You can play yourself into become undroppable, even in a couple of games. Yea he's a good player who could become great, but he hasn't convinced me enough to shed any tears if he leaves. Just hasn't followed on from his debut season. If the money for him will be invested in an area we're lacking, I won't mind. Sanchez will do for a couple of seasons...
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And after those couple of seasons? will you be looking at another purchase to take Sanchez's place? Anyway, I think Martial has done very well when he has played this season. Before Sanchez came, he was one of our best players and had made the left wing his own (in his tussle with Rashford). He also won player of the month 3 times this season - which is 1/3rd of the time. This is all the more impressive when he has barely played for the last third of the season.

I can't understand why people like berating him so much. Yes he isn't the finished product, but he is one of the top talents in world football right now. He can mature over the next 2-3 years and become similar to Nani (great in specific seasons, but not consistent enough), or a Figo (brilliant for a consistent 6-7 seasons). I'll be very disappointed & gutted if he leaves! It will be down to poor management by Jose - and directly attributable to his rigid footballing approach.
 
jesperjaap said:
Ronaldo in his first three years was still doing well, dancing past players and had a lot of really good games. He was just frustrating over doing somes, final product sometimes and the greed and petulance but comparing his performances in the first three seasons with Martial the difference is huge, we would be happy with the first three years performances of Ronaldo in the last three years here. Difference is light and day. Problem for me with Martials success.....is personally he should be a striker I would compare him more to Henry who struggled at Juve and Arsenal at first in the same position Martial is playing fro us. With mourinho in charge he is never going to be playing up front for us, for that reason alone let alone others, I am happy for him to go, best for both parties in the current set up.
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That is a classic case of hindsight playing tricks with the mind. There was a lot of fan frustration with Ronaldo in the first 3 seasons. The changing point for him was the wink - where he became the United No. 7 who had to be supported by our fans. Without that, there were a number of people who were puzzled by SAF's decision to chose Rooney and Ronaldo over RVN.

The fan base was as divided over Ronaldo as it currently is over Martial. (Difference is that Ronaldo's performances just kept improving, and in Martial's case, his first season was immense and the remaining have not reached the same heights).
 
He needs to work on his movement - all the talent in the world but incredibly frustrating.
 
The faster he goes the better for us , we can just buy Pulisic or Malcom to replace him and Martial FC fans can go supporting wherever he goes
 
Can't shake off the feeling that if we were still challenging for the league or even winning it, this wouldn't be an issue...

Personally, I don't rate him higher than Sharpey at the moment.
 
.Rossi said:
Can't shake off the feeling that if we were still challenging for the league or even winning it, this wouldn't be an issue...

Personally, I don't rate him higher than Sharpey at the moment.
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How highly does Sharpey rate him?
 
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