Sturridge looks downright sluggish now - not just a yard of pace, a couple even. He has been amazing for Liverpool when fit, but he hasn't been as good for England - Welbeck has been better.
Martial vs Origi
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Sturridge looks downright sluggish now - not just a yard of pace, a couple even. He has been amazing for Liverpool when fit, but he hasn't been as good for England - Welbeck has been better.
I think this is the more fair comparison
Both Rashford and Origi have had about four good games.
Young players with potential doing really well. Talk of ceilings and potential is essentially guess work.
I'd also rather have Welbeck in the England squad - would give Sturridge a proper pre-season without joining in the bi-annual international failure-fest.
Or to put it the other way round, Martial is obviously better as he has played well despite being managed by Vangle.
Yup, you're right about everything there. Martial's dribbling ability at top pace is ridiculous. You can compare it to two players in United's history, Giggs and Best.
Martial can be very predictable at times. Often gets past anyway because he is so quick. Plays for a very predictable team though. He will add more to his repertoire. Would be a bit disappointed if he doesn't become one of the ten best attacking players.
Top speed matters, especially with regard to counter attacks or defending from such, but I agree that being quick over short distances is more important.
Martial seems to have gone up a gear since Origi's injury.
Matches he's played since Origi's injury:
23 Apr: Everton (N - FAC) - 1:2 - 1 goal and 1 assist in 90'
01 May: Leicester City (H - PL) - 1:1 - 1 goal scored in 90'
10 May: West Ham (A - PL) - 3:2 - 2 goals scored in 90'
Been involved in every goal we've scored and against decent opposition.
Matches he's played since Origi's injury:
23 Apr: Everton (N - FAC) - 1:2 - 1 goal and 1 assist in 90'
01 May: Leicester City (H - PL) - 1:1 - 1 goal scored in 90'
10 May: West Ham (A - PL) - 3:2 - 2 goals scored in 90'
Been involved in every goal we've scored and against decent opposition.
Is this thread a joke?
Clearly
Really isn't according to some Pool fans I know.
Surprisingly all the pool fans I know think Martial is quite special. They've been comparing Origi to Rashford/Ihenacho and very rarely compare Martial.
Pennant better than Ronaldo all over again.
Obviously it's no contest but to be fair to Origi he looked pretty decent before he got injured.
Agreed, he has looked like an actual footballer since Klopp has come in and has really improved. I just don't see why there couldn't be a thread about his improvement as opposed to a sensationalist thread like this which will just get laughed at.
It's not that bizarre of a comparison overall though. Origi has a better goals per 90 minutes and better assists per 90 minutes than Martial in the Premier League. They're both roughly the same age and play a similar style of game with both being very quick and both are good dribblers.
Where's the joke? It's not like we're comparing Luis Suarez with Danny Graham.
Where's the joke? It's not like we're comparing Luis Suarez with Danny Graham.
Liverpool score for fun under klopp compared to us. If martial was playing in that Liverpool team I would imagine he would more goals as they create a lot more chances
Agreed. Should have waited to see whether it's just a purple patch or not (had a very poor season in France last year and didn't really set the world alight before Klopp either) before comparing him to the biggest attacking talent in European football right now.
It was on RAWK before the 2006/2007 season. But hey, it's RAWKThat was a thing? I mean, really
That's because he clearly is.
I think at this stage it's more appropriate to have the debate as Martial vs Sturridge, such is the rise in stature of the former.
That's fair enough, but I still don't think there enough of a gulf between the two of them to suggest the comparison is worthless. Both are performing to a very similar level, regardless of what the rest of their teams are doing.
Good chance he'll end up a left forward though.
Got a while to go before that, but if he keeps up his current trajectory he'll be a Top 5 Striker in the world comfortably. Sturridges chance to be that is rapidly fading, especially since hes spent most of the last 2 years in a hospital bed. Needs to have an excellent couple of seasons now.
I disagree, I don't think they weren't performing at a similar level. Martial had been carrying an attack up until the emergence of Rashford (who has helped Martial come in and developed a good understanding with Martial) and has shown consistency throughout the season that Origi has not. Martial's game is not entirely about goals or assists either (to which in all comps he has contributed to 27, 17 goals and 10 assists), he does so much for our team mainly from a LW position whereas Origi plays mainly as a striker in a team with a functioning attack which is something that cannot be overlooked.
I think Origi is a good talent but he's not on Martial's level yet nor have his performances been as good as Martial's, he has a lot of potential but he just doesn't look to be in the same bracket of talent as Martial. It still remains to be seen whether or not Origi was having a purple patch or is the real deal, the injury came at a dreadful time for him.
Its easy to spot the difference between Origi and Martial. Martial's control at pace is better and that is the most easily seen difference. I didnt think much of Origi to begin with, think he is now becoming a pretty useful player. However Martial for me has a far better chance of becoming a major star
Everton isn't decent opposition this season, but definitely agree otherwise - Martial has been very good for you guys recently and he does it week after week in a struggling side. Very impressive for a 20 year old with such a huge transfer fee hanging above his head, seems like he doesn't even care about any potential pressure. Stepped up when needed last night as well, a pity the rest of the team didn't seem to care.
Origi was playing very well before his injury as well, I hope we recover him before the EL Final next week.
Martial is absolutely miles better. Its not even close. One was voted the best young player in Europe. The other was considered one of the worst players in Ligue 1. A couple of good weeks means sweet feck all.
What the feck have I just read. Please tell me that's not a real thread! @SirAF
I seem to recall it was a discussion ages ago
Unfair to Origi. His second year at Lille wasn't good, but his first was pretty amazing.
Pennant, Le Tallec, Babel.That was a thing? I mean, really
Liverpool had three "Ronaldos". How they haven't won everything in the last decade is baffling.
Let's compare two players because they're black, eh.
someone please bite
someone please bite
His first was overrated, he was good but nothing exceptional.
Not to mention, iirc, doesn't Origi get way more time up at CF, compared to Martial being shifted wide?
Those stats are pretty impressive in this team tbh. Had no idea.
Origi..... Dogshit
Was a stupid thread at the time and no less stupid now.