LOL. Yeah, Martial would've made more with those 2 opportunities. Origi whiffed.
Martial vs Origi
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LOL. Yeah, Martial would've made more with those 2 opportunities. Origi whiffed.
Pillock Origami vs Martial 
I am not sure if I should laugh or cry. To even compare the two is Pennant vs Ronaldo levels of lunacy.
I am not sure if I should laugh or cry. To even compare the two is Pennant vs Ronaldo levels of lunacy.
I'm not trying to say Origi is even close to the talent that Martial clearly is, but judging a player based on one game...really? No one genuinely thinks Lukaku is rubbish because of that one game do they?
Found it funny when my Pool mates were filing up my TL and whatsapp group when Lukaku was doing shit...... Not a message or tweet since Origi came on
Nopes, I actually think Origi is a quality talent. I am quite impressed by the turnaround by him since Klopp came. I think he will do great for you next season.
But comparing him to Martial is something just RAWK could come up with, just like they came up with Pennant vs Ronaldo.
Found it funny when my Pool mates were filing up my TL and whatsapp group when Lukaku was doing shit...... Not a message or tweet since Origi came on
See what I mean. Knee-jerking at it's worst and now they all feel daft.Well a United fan started the thread for comparing them on here so I guess some felt it was close.
I don't for what it's worth. Martial is miles ahead of Origi. Comparing Origi to Rashford is probably fairer.
Some harsh comments here. Origi isn't a natural goalscorer but he looks good at times. Strong dribbling against Italy and Dortmund in the EL. There is some quality there but still very raw obviously.
We get these knee-jerk comparison threads all the time when a player is doing okay, I remember in the newbs we had a City fan comparing IwantaNacho to Martial when he had his rich vein of form.
There are a big difference between a good\great talent enjoying a purple patch, and a clearly WC talent delivering through a whole season for a underperforming team like Martial just did.
Then why did a United fan create this thread? I bet you probably can't find any comment from Liverpool fans in this thread which says Origi is better or even close to Martial. He's clearly very talented as well though, not sure how anyone would deny that even after missing two chances he should've scored today.
Who's judging on one game?
Fwiw, the comparison is similar to someone comparing Memphis to Coutinho... just ludicrous at this stage.
See for me even now, calling Martial world class is a tad knee-jerk only because he's still fairly young and we don't know how Mourinho will use him.A manager can damage a players development if the circumstances aren't right. He'll probably be a very good player going forward but it's hard to be certain that Martial will be world class right now.
You'd think that Mourinho's football will be at least slightly more free flowing than Van Gaal's, so he'll probably be fine.
I also think Origi is decent.
When he came on, my bro (an arsenal fan) said what's he even doing here, I stood up for Origi and said he's improved, he's decent now. cnut let me down and my brother was laughing at me.
When he came on, my bro (an arsenal fan) said what's he even doing here, I stood up for Origi and said he's improved, he's decent now. cnut let me down and my brother was laughing at me.
That is why I wrote WC talent and not WC player. There has been other WC talents around that didn't reach their potential by far, but the most important thing to harness that talent fully is in place with Martial, which is mentality.
It remains to be seen how good he will be. Not that we will get to fully enjoy him if he fullfills all his potential anyways since those vultures at RM surely will come circling then.
The caf doesn't rate Lukaku too highly either.
Some are judging him harshly in the Belgium vs Italy thread but it's a bit hard to judge him at this stage. I could point to his good run of form from March onward, but others could then point to his poor form prior to that.
He could go either way at the minute. The talent is there but we often say that about a player who then goes on to do very little. Memphis is a worthy example, clearly talented but he's either been mismanaged or not adapted well to English football (depending on your opinion).
I'm not saying he's terrible because he's a good player but that's as far as I'd go. Every time I watch/watched him, he reminded me of Welbeck. Lots of energy, graft, nice movements but fluffs too many chances to lead the line or be a top striker.
I remember the games against Everton when Lille played them in the EL. He's one of (if not) the worst players on the pitch over the 2 legs. Wasn't he booed by his own fans after going through 4 (or more) months without a goal and being named in the worst 11 of the French League that season? Although I think the latter was a bit unfair as he's only 19/20 then.
For all we know, he may become a very good striker one day but for that to happen, he'd need to improve his composure massively in front of the goal.
Well he's probably not £65 million but he's Premier League record speaks for itself. Tonight wasn't a good one for Belgian strikers in general.
Yeah @kouroux has mentioned how poor Origi was in Ligue 1. I like to think he's developed a bit since then. His good run of form for us came following a bit of bulking up and he was first choice prior to injury in April.
I agree on his composure, it's all over the place at the minute. Welbeck is probably a good comparison for Origi. As you say there's similarities in their game.
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To be fair, I think Origi is far more of a scorer than Welbeck.
Yeah, Origi will be a Welbeck level of player I think. While Rashford is a notch above considering his age and what not. Will be very surprised if Rashfords career doesn't by far eclipse Origis.
Martial hit the ground running in the premier league 
but it took Origi quite a few months to settle, altho he didn't get much game time at the start.
Martial scored 17 in 49 games - Origi got 10 in 33 games - not a huge difference there but Martial didn't play thru the middle as often, and looks much more accomplished and rounded already. Those goal stats don't tell the whole story as Martial played in a team which focused more on defence - don't know the stats for shots on goal and conversion but I would suspect Martial is probably much better.
But having said that I'm really happy with the progress Origi has made and he looks a bargain at £10m. If he continues to progress I could see him getting 15-20 goals next season.
but it took Origi quite a few months to settle, altho he didn't get much game time at the start. Martial scored 17 in 49 games - Origi got 10 in 33 games - not a huge difference there but Martial didn't play thru the middle as often, and looks much more accomplished and rounded already. Those goal stats don't tell the whole story as Martial played in a team which focused more on defence - don't know the stats for shots on goal and conversion but I would suspect Martial is probably much better.
But having said that I'm really happy with the progress Origi has made and he looks a bargain at £10m. If he continues to progress I could see him getting 15-20 goals next season.
I missed the game, read this and then watched the highlights. The way you were all talking I thought Origi missed two open goals. There was one header he tried to glance and should have done better. Big deal!
Origi's finishing has not convinced yet. Several of his goals last season were scuffed efforts or deflections. However, we have seen many cases where this is the last thing to fall into place for strikers. The rest of his game looks terrific.
It's far too early to say who is better. They're both young and talented with huge potential. One of them though, only cost 10 million..
Origi's finishing has not convinced yet. Several of his goals last season were scuffed efforts or deflections. However, we have seen many cases where this is the last thing to fall into place for strikers. The rest of his game looks terrific.
It's far too early to say who is better. They're both young and talented with huge potential. One of them though, only cost 10 million..
He wasn't even bad. He brought some urgency into Belgium's custard side, and he looks a lot more refined with quick feet to match what I initially assumed was just all pace.
They are both young and talented but one has way more talent. Don't be to cryptic in your messages by stating we got the expensive deal. Origi is older and cost less yet can't even rise to the big stage when given the opportunity. Those 2 chances he missed were big time and just show you why he cost so less. If things go well for origi he might just egde out danny welbeck and that's a big IF!
If you found that cryptic I wouldn't fancy your chances with The Times crossword.
As for your assessment, I guess we will see in five years or so.
As for your assessment, I guess we will see in five years or so.
Can see why after games like tonight.
Why wait 5 years when martial will be worldclass in 2? We need to compare origi to similar players like James wilson. This thread should be Origi vs James wilson. Right now james is a little better but it's very close. We will see who does better between the 2 in 5 years. I expect Wilson to be a little better but who knows what the future holds.
Some of these threads.
Hope this comparison doesn't go the same route as Gnabry vs Januzaj
Its really not too early. Martial was always a bigger talent and is clearly on another level to Origi. Not to say Origi is shit, he looks a very good player with good potential. Martial is on a whole other planet to him though. Also there is a reason one was dubbed the next Thierry Henry from a long time ago, and required the huge price tag, while the other one was in the worst 11 in the french league and geberally wasnt sought after leaving liverpool to get him for cheap.
The way I see it is Martial is ahead of Origi at this point but it really is too early to say that Martial will always be better.
Origi under Klopp will develop further, how far is anyone's guess but I do think he has more of a chance under Klopp than Martial has under Mourinho.
That's not to say Martial isn't a top top player. His finishing is excellent for such a young player and he's lightening.
Will be interesting to see in two years where they stand.
Wilson? Right now Wilson isn't as good as origi . He barely scored at senior level (even in the championship) and isn't internationally capped either.
At the euros? Of course they do.
Origi is very reminiscent of Welbeck. Some great physical attributes but has a lack of quality and composure.
As Lukaku, not my kind of player at all. Constantly offside, meanders around the pitch and has very low bottom level. I don't see to great a difference in overall quality between Bony, Lukaku, Welbeck and Benteke. I think Origi will be in that bracket but suits Klopp's system better than a Lukaku or Benteke would.
As Lukaku, not my kind of player at all. Constantly offside, meanders around the pitch and has very low bottom level. I don't see to great a difference in overall quality between Bony, Lukaku, Welbeck and Benteke. I think Origi will be in that bracket but suits Klopp's system better than a Lukaku or Benteke would.
Watch the full game and you'll see it isn't one header people are taking the piss over.
Origi was awful overall. His touch, passing, everything was completely off which you didn't see in the highlights. Then again, you can not judge a player based on one game.
both are shit, that simple.