Mason Mount's Misfortune

Champ said:
To the bolded part, it really doesn't.

EtH explained the reasoning behind the decision after the game, plus if he starts at City what does that now mean? That he knows he hasn't made a mistake??
There's no mistake as far as I am concerned, Mount is a good player, adaptable and flexible in many different positions. It's unfortunate he starts his United career when the team is in a mini crisis.
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I'd love to know his reasoning behind his decision, if you have quotes.

Mount could start against City, but if he does, he'll 1) be starting in an unfamiliar position (8 or RW) 2) Bruno will be shoved out wide.

Either way, one of the above players don't get to play in their strongest position, which is as a 10.

You say he's an adaptable and flexible player, which I totally agree with, but so was Fred, who was used as a 6, 8 and 10 under ten Hag. My question would then be, why not keep hold of Fred, if Mount isn't going to start, what I would personally describe as, one of our most important games this season? Fred was a fantastic squad player to have!
 
horsechoker said:
Couple it with an Italian term

False trequartista

Or should it be fully Italian?

La Falsa Trequartista mama mia *hand gesture* va fanculo
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we probably should keep this innovation quiet, or Pep will go and sign 2 of them in January.
 
No point wasting Mount in the Prem or CL. We bought this guy to defend our league cup title. You'll see him in the next round.
 
Reditus said:
Mourinho signed Bailly didnt he? He played a lot in his debut season and in general was pretty good. Then injuries and poor form finished him off after that.
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DvB is a better example
 
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Craig Ward said:
We've gone from having very little quality in central midfield to having lots of quality that we don't know what to do with.

We play 2 CM's and an AM. We have quite a deep pool of players in this area now:
Casemiro
Hannibal
Amrabat
Eriksen
Mount
Fernandes
McTominey

With Mainoo and Donny on the fringes.

So your looking at 7 players to compete for 3 places, while finding the correct balance that works for the team.

We've signed Mount at a high price and give him the 7 shirt and caused an almighty fuss on social media about it - so you'd figure he is in the plans.

Current form you'd be hard picked to fight anyone's corner as CM has been letting us down (again).

I'd personally play Fernandes wide right, partly because that allows Mount to come in as AM and partly because Rashford is atrocious there and Anthony is really struggling for form. I don't particularly like Fernandes there, but he is a playmaker who will involve himself in the game more than our other options do. That also stops Fernandes roaming around too deep looking for the ball.

Amrabat and Casemiro can play deep, as Eriksen or McTominey cannot for various reasons.

If we had capable, fit CB's who could play out with the ball I'd opt for 1 CM pivot and 2 roamers, but we barely play the same back 4 and Varane, Maguire and Lindelof are so slow with the ball. A capable ball playing defence would make our CM options a lot easier, but because we are limited there we play 2 deep holders and the whole team is too deep which has knock on effects as we cannot control the tempo or flow of the game or get our forwards involved.

I've gone waaaaay off tanget here.

Mount has to play at some point, upto him to stake a place. Our whole midfield is up for grabs to whoever performs, so its in his hands.
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Is it now? If the team is playing shite, his main competition is probably on his worse spell since joining United, and yet Mount is not getting minutes. Not sure what is expected from him at this point from the manager.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Most of the top teams play with two advanced 8s.
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Thats not really true, some top teams play with two advanced 8s sometimes. It can work but depends on the personal and the setup of the team as a whole.

City didn't play with two advanced 8s for most of last season and arsenal seem to have abandoned their havsrtz experiment. It's hard to use a setup like that with Bruno propensity for the high risk and mount isn't exactly great at dictating play
 
georgipep said:
The eye test? I welcome you to the year 2023. We have computers. They are magical machines made of sand and powered by lightning.
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I'm sorry but stats can make any player look good, if that player has a passing accuracy of 100% but the passes made are sideways and backwards, he's not use.

Anyone could see Mount shouldn't be playing CM for United or England.
 
Agree with others that there's not point trying to shoehorn him into a role he's not cut out for. He should be starting at 10 against City in place of an underperforming Bruno, but isn't going to. The captaincy armband is the only thing keeping Bruno in the team right now.
 
Mount is a good player but for the wrong club. So anyone think Mount can replace (last season's) Eriksen? We need a DMF or box2box MF, the money for Casemiro + Mount, we could have settle for Rice + Amrabat.
 
pascell said:
I'm sorry but stats can make any player look good, if that player has a passing accuracy of 100% but the passes made are sideways and backwards, he's not use.

Anyone could see Mount shouldn't be playing CM for United or England.
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And the stats god said " let there be progressive passes and distance covered by passes stats", and there were these stats and it was good.

Dude, you read like a very ignorant person.
 
The-Mezzala said:
Got hammered on here for saying this was a poor signing and it’s proving such. Easily could of paid the extra money and gone for Rice. Bellingham was always going to Madrid but he would obviously be first choice. Murtogh and Ten Hag wasted a huge chunk of the budget when he is no better than what we had tbh.
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Why do you think this was a poor signing? Because of the quality (ability) of the player?; or the fact that it's become quite evident that our esteemed manager doesn't have the faintest clue how to accomodate him into Manchester Utd?

Mason Mount is better than SMT. I would say he is a better player than Amrabat from what I have seen. I actually would drop Bruno for him, and do you know why? Firstly, because Bruno goes missing in too many games, has a questionable attitude on the pitch which is someone who complains, rather than inspires... and secondly Bruno is out of form.

Mason Mount and Eriksen should be ahead of Bruno for the No 10 position. Mount has not even been given the opportunity to show what he can do. Every, every player needs games. Not seven minutes at the end of the odd-match! How some can judge Mount based on how ETH has used him thus far is beyond me.

I say again, Mason Mount is a good footballer, and a decent manager would, if they knew what they were doing, make sure that he adds something to the side. Put Mason Mount into that City team, or Liverpool... I would add Spurs, Brighton, Newcastle, to that list and you see a player there. I am not suggesting he is Ballon'D'or .. but he's a good footballer. Hard working, clever, responsible, technically good on the ball, and a genuine goal-threat. A good Mason Mount is a headache for the opposition because he's a dangerous player.

But look at his treatment by ETH? It's nothing short of a joke.
 
georgipep said:
The only forward (exc. Hojlund) on our roster capable of following tactical instructions?
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Yep 80m for a winger that doesn't score or create but wait he follows instructions. The Manchester united analytics team is out of this world.
 
Has he ever played off the right before? Antony is in very poor form at the moment and Bruno playing out wide doesn't work, so it may be worth doing the square peg round hole thing again.
 
georgipep said:
And the stats god said " let there be progressive passes and distance covered by passes stats", and there were these stats and it was good.

Dude, you read like a very ignorant person.
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Mount has fewer progressive passes per 90 than Harry Maguire this season.

Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro, and Amrobat have all managed at least double per 90 compared to him.
 
HJ12 said:
Has he ever played off the right before? Antony is in very poor form at the moment and Bruno playing out wide doesn't work, so it may be worth doing the square peg round hole thing again.
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He has played on the right occasionally but mainly played no.10 or left of attack so he’s more back up for Bruno and Rashford
 
Red00012 said:
I expect him to start Sunday
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Yep if he's not useful in a game that like where we need lots of off the ball intelligence then he'll never be useful.
 
Pep signs players and waits a season until they are good enough to fit in with his team and nobody says a word. How do we know Erik isn't taking his time to allow him to acclimatise to our team and will play him when he is as shit as the rest?
 
Martial said:
Mount has fewer progressive passes per 90 than Harry Maguire this season.

Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro, and Amrobat have all managed at least double per 90 compared to him.
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What a slewed stat to use. It's hardly surprising he has less progressive passes compared to those players considering how high he pushes up and his positioning. I can only assume you don't know what counts as a progressive pass.
 
Martial said:
Mount has fewer progressive passes per 90 than Harry Maguire this season.

Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro, and Amrobat have all managed at least double per 90 compared to him.
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Aside from Bruno who just pings the ball forward at every opportunity, all these players have been played deeper than him in the games he's played. Stands to reason that they would play the ball forward more.
 
BeltUp said:
Pep signs players and waits a season until they are good enough to fit in with his team and nobody says a word. How do we know Erik isn't taking his time to allow him to acclimatise to our team and will play him when he is as shit as the rest?
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Klopp signs players and doesn’t even let them train with the first team until they are fit enough and have had their asthma diagnosis confirmed.
 
Martial said:
Mount has fewer progressive passes per 90 than Harry Maguire this season.

Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro, and Amrobat have all managed at least double per 90 compared to him.
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With the exception of Bruno (who is our best player and the best creator in the league), all other mentioned players are expected to have more progressive passes since they play from further back and are facing more of the field. CBs are generally among the players with the most progressive stats.

What are you trying to prove here?
 
I think it's a weird situation. Bruno is (one of) our best player, but i think it's easier to build a better, more balanced midfield around Mount.
 
Jeffthered said:
Why do you think this was a poor signing? Because of the quality (ability) of the player?; or the fact that it's become quite evident that our esteemed manager doesn't have the faintest clue how to accomodate him into Manchester Utd?

Mason Mount is better than SMT. I would say he is a better player than Amrabat from what I have seen. I actually would drop Bruno for him, and do you know why? Firstly, because Bruno goes missing in too many games, has a questionable attitude on the pitch which is someone who complains, rather than inspires... and secondly Bruno is out of form.

Mason Mount and Eriksen should be ahead of Bruno for the No 10 position. Mount has not even been given the opportunity to show what he can do. Every, every player needs games. Not seven minutes at the end of the odd-match! How some can judge Mount based on how ETH has used him thus far is beyond me.

I say again, Mason Mount is a good footballer, and a decent manager would, if they knew what they were doing, make sure that he adds something to the side. Put Mason Mount into that City team, or Liverpool... I would add Spurs, Brighton, Newcastle, to that list and you see a player there. I am not suggesting he is Ballon'D'or .. but he's a good footballer. Hard working, clever, responsible, technically good on the ball, and a genuine goal-threat. A good Mason Mount is a headache for the opposition because he's a dangerous player.

But look at his treatment by ETH? It's nothing short of a joke.
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Never said he was a poor player but a poor signing. Major difference.Mounts best Position is number 10. We already had Bruno who is a far more complete player.

I know Bruno has his critics numbers wise by far our most consistent attacking performer in this banter era. I am not one of these fans with short memories who suddenly wants him dropped. He won us so many games especially under Ole and last season. Just having a bad spell like the whole squad is thats on the manager and coaching.

You talk about other teams: I don’t think he gets anywhere near the City team or has the technical ability to play under Pep thats them ruled out.

Spurs have Maddison who offers far more as a ten in terms of creativity .

Liverpool in a klopp system he might of actually of done well there agreed. But they got McAlister who is a better all around player for half the transfer fee. Annoyingly good business from them

Mount cost 65 million like I said originally pay the bit extra for Rice who in a double pivot with Casemiro would of been a much better fit.

Clubs transfer window has been an absolute shambles. Groundhog day everytime we get back into the champions league we don’t go and get the signings to take us to a serious title challenge. We always take two back. It’s frustrating.
 
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So much for the professionals knowing more about football than we do.

Everyone on the cafe and their nan knew Mount wasn’t what we need in the summer. We all saw this coming.

However, surprised to see him dropped this early. Thought he would be in the team till at least Christmas. Guess the manager is hanging on for dear life right now and can’t afford passangers.

Do Al-Nassr need an attacking midfielder by any chance.
 
samlee86 said:
So much for the professionals knowing more about football than we do.

Everyone on the cafe and their nan knew Mount wasn’t what we need in the summer. We all saw this coming.

However, surprised to see him dropped this early. Thought he would be in the team till at least Christmas. Guess the manager is hanging on for dear life right now and can’t afford passangers.

Do Al-Nassr need an attacking midfielder by any chance.
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I think the professionals do know better in most cases but at united it's not any expertise we have in scouting and analytics is used. We have gone all in on recruiting players eth wants to fit what seems like a flawed tactical plan
 
Matt851 said:
I think the professionals do know better in most cases but at united it's not any expertise we have in scouting and analytics is used. We have gone all in on recruiting players eth wants to fit what seems like a flawed tactical plan
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And we were told in the summer that ETH knows more about football than we do so the fan base should back any signings he makes.

I actually think Mount can end up being a decent squad player. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Sancho or Antony.

He’s just not the signing we needed or the signing that would have improved us.

If the manager was that desperate to sign him then he should of waited till next summer when we could have gotten him on a free.
 
It makes no sense. There must be a reason he‘s not playing that we are not aware of. He‘s not even coming off the bench.

Neither is Mejbri which is also concerning.
 
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