Mason Mount's Misfortune

Gordon S said:
Thanks!

That is high praise indeed. Kind of agree with most, apart from positionally astute. He seems at times so invested in his pressing runs he forgets about the consequence when he gets bypassed.

I don´t agree however that he compliments the other so well.
First 2 games did not show a great fit at all, and that looked to me like the very same Mason we have seen last couple of years. He ran his socks off and provided energy to the team, but the midfield still felt more open and vulnerable than ever.

Apart from the first 4 chaotic minutes against Forest i would say we looked a touch more in control, and barely gave Forest anything to work with. And that was with Eriksen instead of Mount in midfield. Eriksen is too slow and lightweight defensively to be a great fit either but my thought is that it is that kind of player we need more than anything. A clever player with good feet, good vision, good weight of pass, good understanding of the game, and hopefully stronger defensively on top.

Personally wouldn´t mind seeing Mount played further up the pitch at times to give us better pressing from the front, god knows players like Rashford, Martial, Sancho can be a bit laidback and timid.
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I don't think Mount was bad for the first half vs Spurs.

The entire team was tripe against Wolves and I don't see that as a mount issue. I also see no value whatsoever in evaluating from two games.
 
crossy1686 said:
So all the things you'd expect from a midfielder with two legs?
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Not quite. Some midfielders excel more at screening the ball. Some excel at the creative side. Some are box to box workborses but don't offer anything creative
Midfielders aren't all the same. You know that.
 
VP89 said:
Not quite. Some midfielders excel more at screening the ball. Some excel at the creative side. Some are box to box workborses but don't offer anything creative
Midfielders aren't all the same. You know that.
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I do know that, but essentially saying "effort and running" are what Mount brings are the bare minimum for a team like United.
 
VP89 said:
I don't think Mount was bad for the first half vs Spurs.

The entire team was tripe against Wolves and I don't see that as a mount issue. I also see no value whatsoever in evaluating from two games.
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Never said he was bad or even worse than anyone else. Mount is clearly a decent player all things considered, however not seeing how this type of midfielder was ever what we were lacking and desperately needed. To me it feels like he is another attempt at adding this hardworking, neat and tidy, attacking mid player we hoped for when signing players like Donny and Sabitzer. We could perhaps even stretch a bit and go back to the days of Kagawa and Mkhitaryan. Also roughly similar in style and quality. It just doesnt´t seem to work very well for us for some reason.

As you said, only been 2 games so far and we should perhaps be careful in digging too deep into this matter yet. The team needs more time.
But having said that, my thoughts (and fears) about his suitabililty before he arrived was pretty much confirmed in the 2 games we have seen so far, imo.
 
I hope we're ruthless and just get rid of him after an expected abysmal year.

If this shower of shite put out performances like he did in the first few games for United at a team like Madrid, Bayern, Juve etc. he'd be gone next transfer window.
 
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Leethal said:
I hope we're ruthless and just get of him after an expected abysmal year.

If this shower of shite put out performances like he did in the first few games for United at a team like Madrid, Bayern, Juve etc. he'd be gone next transfer window.
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Woodgate was at Madrid for 2 years before they loaned him out, and he had one of the all-time worst debuts.
 
Leethal said:
I hope we're ruthless and just get rid of him after an expected abysmal year.

If this shower of shite put out performances like he did in the first few games for United at a team like Madrid, Bayern, Juve etc. he'd be gone next transfer window.
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Mount has played well. The problem has been the system
 
Gordon S said:
Wow, this seems to be personal for you!
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Tbf based on the attitude of his posts he may actually be an 8 year old child. In which case clowns failing to be entertaining would be a constant source of frustration.
 
Escobar said:
Just until one season he was their best player, won the CL and had excellent creative output
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He wasn't their best player, the fans just haven't had an academy player make it since JT and naturally enjoy him more than other players. Worse players have won a CL, it doesn't mean anything, but he did have a good season that particular season but he also didn't win it for them on his own, he wasn't playing some kind of Gerrard role for Chelsea during his time there. Having a good season 3 seasons ago doesn't help us today.

And his creative output is 27 goals and 22 assists in his 4 full seasons at Chelsea. That is not 'excellent' by any metric.
 
55+5 add ons would have gotten us Amrabat and Tidibo, let that sink in.

We should have walked away after our first bid was rejected, he's isn't worth what we paid.
 
Fingers crossed he comes into a better performing team playing well and winning…basically the ideal scenario to be rotated in. Then he deserves all season to get his act together. I’d be more than satisfied if he was a justified started by Jan/feb.
 
crossy1686 said:
He wasn't their best player, the fans just haven't had an academy player make it since JT and naturally enjoy him more than other players. Worse players have won a CL, it doesn't mean anything, but he did have a good season that particular season but he also didn't win it for them on his own, he wasn't playing some kind of Gerrard role for Chelsea during his time there. Having a good season 3 seasons ago doesn't help us today.

And his creative output is 27 goals and 22 assists in his 4 full seasons at Chelsea. That is not 'excellent' by any metric.
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He literally was voted POTY at Chelsea. And there was a stat showing in terms of creativity he was in the top 3 or 4
 
sullydnl said:
Tbf based on the attitude of his posts he may actually be an 8 year old child. In which case clowns failing to be entertaining would be a constant source of frustration.
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Oh how standards have dropped; when the criticisms of mediocrity are shunned, and acceptance is the way forward. . .

I'm a child because I think Mount is an utter waste of money and not fit to wear our shirt? This is a discussion forum, where, you know, shit gets discussed?

Because someone's not of the opinion of you, it's time to insult and berate the poster? Isn't that, you know, against forum policy?
 
Escobar said:
He literally was voted POTY at Chelsea. And there was a stat showing in terms of creativity he was in the top 3 or 4
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But, wasn't the best player... Nepotism, and being 'one of their own', got him the POTY.
 
JeffFromHK said:
People don't rule out Mount as a No. 8 based on 2 games. It is based on Mount's performances in Chelsea for the whole 22-23 season, England, and Mount's own skillset.

Let's be honest Man Utd fans - when we played against Chelsea, have we ever been "scared" of Mount as our opponents? I have never heard of fans scaring of him

If we need to give 50 games' failure to determine that a player is not good enough for us, we will end up in the championship.
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Mount is a systems player. Opposing teams weren't "scared" of Carrick either, but he was the glue that made our system work at the time, as all United fans knew at the time, back when our fans understood how teams worked. Mount isn't the same player in the same role of course, but I suspect he's been signed for a similar systems reason - as a key component in us playing that high line, keeping the ball in the opponent's half. If so, can we at least give all the parts a chance to come together before judging him?
 
RedRonaldo said:
The difference is, Arsenal always play Partey at right back, who plays a hybrid DM/RB role for them. Which means they often have midfield pair of Rice and Partey behind Odegaard and Havertz.
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We've been asking Shaw to invert next to Casemiro, so not too much of a difference. TAA does it for Pool, Cancelo (previously) and Lewis / others now for City.

I think it's a question of finding the fullback with that skillset - they've become a relatively rare commodity, so it's easier to stick a defensive mid at RB instead.
 
Teja said:
We've been asking Shaw to invert next to Casemiro, so not too much of a difference. TAA does it for Pool, Cancelo (previously) and Lewis / others now for City.

I think it's a question of finding the fullback with that skillset - they've become a relatively rare commodity, so it's easier to stick a defensive mid at RB instead.
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We simply don't have full back with such skillset. Maybe we have convert one of our DM to full back role or something, but I am not sure if it works at all.
 
RedRonaldo said:
We simply don't have full back with such skillset. Maybe we have convert one of our DM to full back role or something, but I am not sure if it works at all.
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Why do you think Shaw lacks that skillset? His technique / passing is top notch but yeah obviously a lot more to it than just technique / passing.

Dalot played the role against Forrest and had a good game there I thought.
 
nickm said:
Mount is a systems player. Opposing teams weren't "scared" of Carrick either, but he was the glue that made our system work at the time, as all United fans knew at the time, back when our fans understood how teams worked. Mount isn't the same player in the same role of course, but I suspect he's been signed for a similar systems reason - as a key component in us playing that high line, keeping the ball in the opponent's half. If so, can we at least give all the parts a chance to come together before judging him?
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We've had great luck with those in the past.

Kagawa
Mkhitaryan
VDB
Sancho

All atrocious signings
 
Teja said:
Why do you think Shaw lacks that skillset? His technique / passing is top notch but yeah obviously a lot more to it than just technique / passing.

Dalot played the role against Forrest and had a good game there I thought.
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Well they are good at overlapping runs but those are very much wing back play. I am not convinced they have it as DM, you know, positioning and tactical sense and all that.
 
crossy1686 said:
He’s had one good season in 4 (now 5) in the premier league. It’s not like he’s just waiting to move to a big club to show how good he is.
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He had at least 2 good seasons and last season Chelsea as a whole was a mess. But fans like you love to moan and write off players after 2 games, I am sure you would have sold Vidic or Evra right away
 
Escobar said:
He had at least 2 good seasons and last season Chelsea as a whole was a mess. But fans like you love to moan and write off players after 2 games, I am sure you would have sold Vidic or Evra right away
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I’m not writing him off after 2 games, I’m writing him off after 4 seasons in the PL where I’ve seen him play most weeks and for England.

I’m moaning because fans like you say we have to give players who’ve had one good season (over 10 goals and over 10 assists in a single season as an attacking player) more time to ‘settle in’. Reality is going to come crashing down around you at some point.
 
Leethal said:
I hope we're ruthless and just get rid of him after an expected abysmal year.

If this shower of shite put out performances like he did in the first few games for United at a team like Madrid, Bayern, Juve etc. he'd be gone next transfer window.
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Our fans suck. What the hell is this post. We're supposed to be welcoming players in, not hoping for their fall. This forum for 3 years, accepted anything VDB did without even knowing how he played. Here we have a players who is young and has played well in his career and we have fans like this. Just trash
 
crossy1686 said:
I’m not writing him off after 2 games, I’m writing him off after 4 seasons in the PL where I’ve seen him play most weeks and for England.

I’m moaning because fans like you say we have to give players who’ve had one good season (over 10 goals and over 10 assists in a single season as an attacking player) more time to ‘settle in’. Reality is going to come crashing down around you at some point.
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Sure. Great support there mate. I give him at least until Jan and I hope he will become great in that new role
 
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