Mason Mount's Misfortune

marktan said:
£55m for him will turn out to be a bad deal, just by virtue of him being a good player but not great at anything. The definition of a squad player. Think Lucas Vasquez. Or John O'Shea. Is anyone paying £55m for them? The answer is no.

He won't get assists since he won't take many corners here, he won't get goals since he won't be playing in the front 3 of a 3-5-3 system and won't be able to take the spaces to score from that he did at Chelsea because Bruno takes those spaces. So we've signed a midfielder for big money.. who has almost no specialisation in being a midfielder. Running around a lot and being able to pass ten yards hardly warrant big money. Hell Mctominay is limited too but he's a big fecker who is a great finisher. Truth is if we scouted anyone outside of players from Ajax or the Dutch League that Ten Hague has watched, you can find a similar calibre squad player for £20m. Hell Brighton are finding better players like Enciso for cheaper. I actually would have preferred Gallagher or Haveertz, both have more to their game than Mount does.
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Not Havertz but think Gallagher would have been great for us.
 
Fortitude said:
With the amount of time he has been out of the game in consecutive seasons, there has to be serious concern about his future as a top level pro. Who knows what this is taking away from him in terms of athleticism, and who on earth will be the least bit surprised if he finally comes back and breaks down again within a couple of months?

How many players actually come back from so long out and just carry on as the player they were before the injury (s)?
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He's basically been out for a year. One month more than Martinez. And considering Mount is expected back soon while Martinez is out for another couple of months, he'll probably have less time out in total (as long as he doesn't break down again).

There seems to be this belief that Mount has been struggling for injury for absolutely ages. In reality he only got that bad injury for the last three months of last season (March 2023). Before that he only missed a total of five league games in his four seasons at Chelsea.
 
Ighalo25Red said:
£55 was a great deal for a young, English player with international experience, who can play all across the front line and was Chelsea’s POTY.

He’s a lad who actively chose to leave Chelsea as he wanted to play for Manchester United, and he hasn’t had a proper chance to show us what he’s got yet. I think it’s poor form as a supporter to write him off as a bad signing so early. Maybe if we get behind him as a fanbase it will help him find his best form when he returns?
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Great post.
Nice to see a bit of positivity on this topic.
 
Fabio Rochemback said:
Really? I can't say I've see tons of him this season but when I have he's looked just as bang-average as he did for Chelsea.
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Yeah, he’s quietly going from strength to strength. My girlfriend supports Arsenal and I catch a lot of their games. He looked like a square peg in a round hole at the start of the season but he’s increasingly more important to them.

What I will say is that Martinelli, Saka, Odegaard, Rice are all better in their positions than he is in his, so he’s always going to look less impressive. He’s definitely found his feet though and certainly not anything like a flop. I really like him as a player.
 
MadDogg said:
He's basically been out for a year. One month more than Martinez. And considering Mount is expected back soon while Martinez is out for another couple of months, he'll probably have less time out in total (as long as he doesn't break down again).

There seems to be this belief that Mount has been struggling for injury for absolutely ages. In reality he only got that bad injury for the last three months of last season (March 2023). Before that he only missed a total of five league games in his four seasons at Chelsea.
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There are massive doubts around Martinez’s fitness; whether he’ll ever be as robust as pre-injury really remains to be seen. Mount’s missed a lot of football, and for someone who’s game is reliant on industry, it’s a big issue.
 
Ighalo25Red said:
£55 was a great deal for a young, English player with international experience, who can play all across the front line and was Chelsea’s POTY.

He’s a lad who actively chose to leave Chelsea as he wanted to play for Manchester United, and he hasn’t had a proper chance to show us what he’s got yet. I think it’s poor form as a supporter to write him off as a bad signing so early. Maybe if we get behind him as a fanbase it will help him find his best form when he returns?
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Financially his fee relative to return this season is horrifying.

Literally money down the drain.

Yeah he's injured so he deserves a chance to shine but that's the on Pitch perspective.

Commercially it's a disaster
 
Fortitude said:
With the amount of time he has been out of the game in consecutive seasons, there has to be serious concern about his future as a top level pro. Who knows what this is taking away from him in terms of athleticism, and who on earth will be the least bit surprised if he finally comes back and breaks down again within a couple of months?

How many players actually come back from so long out and just carry on as the player they were before the injury (s)?
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Giggs? Rooney's a shout too.

For comparison, I've only taken League games. Games missed = not in squad.

Mount
Season 23/24: 17/24 games missed
Season 22/23: 14/38 games missed - pelvic injury mostly.
.. no big injuries before this. Some seasons completely injury free.

Giggs:
Season 96/97: 11/38 games missed
Season 97/98: 8/38 games missed
Season 98/99: 14/38 games missed
Season 99/00: 6/38 games missed
Season 00/01: 7/38 games missed
Season 01/02: 13/38 games missed <--- Starts Yoga/self fellatio around here I think.
Season 02/03: 2/38 games missed
Season 03/04: 5/38 games missed

The most worrying thing this season is we don't know what injury Mount has. Ten Hag doesn't really tell the cause of Malacia's injury neither.
 
ROFLUTION said:
The most worrying thing this season is we don't know what injury Mount has. Ten Hag doesn't really tell the cause of Malacia's injury neither.
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I'm not sure if Ten Hag or the club confirmed it, but it's been widely reported that Mount's injury in September was a hamstring while his more recent one was a calf.

Malacia's was a knee injury that he had surgery on in the summer, but then had a setback and needed further surgery.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Giggs? Rooney's a shout too.

For comparison, I've only taken League games. Games missed = not in squad.

Mount
Season 23/24: 17/24 games missed
Season 22/23: 14/38 games missed - pelvic injury mostly.
.. no big injuries before this. Some seasons completely injury free.

Giggs:
Season 96/97: 11/38 games missed
Season 97/98: 8/38 games missed
Season 98/99: 14/38 games missed
Season 99/00: 6/38 games missed
Season 00/01: 7/38 games missed
Season 01/02: 13/38 games missed <--- Starts Yoga/self fellatio around here I think.
Season 02/03: 2/38 games missed
Season 03/04: 5/38 games missed

The most worrying thing this season is we don't know what injury Mount has. Ten Hag doesn't really tell the cause of Malacia's injury neither.
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Giggs had massive issues with his hamstrings, and essentially changed his game to accommodate that, arguably never being the same player he was again. By his own account, he never fully turned on the afterburners again, accepting his body simply couldn’t handle it; he played within himself to get by, but because his top level was so high, dropping down a notch or two wasn’t the end of the world, plus he had the ability to hone other skills and modify his game. I think we all agree Rooney was never the same player again after that metatarsal disaster.

I think they had so much more ability than a Mount, that the workaround was doable as they were still superior to most on a football pitch. My concern for Mount is he needs every sinew of the attributes he is touted for and can’t afford a drop off because, with due respect, he doesn’t have world class ability or attributes to pick and choose from - Mount without his engine and mobility would be severely compromised.

I’m in the camp that thinks he was a very meh signing to begin with - and that’s the full fitness version of him - so I do sincerely hope that the injurie don’t rob him of the chance to prove himself at his best. That would be a real shame.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Financially his fee relative to return this season is horrifying.

Literally money down the drain.

Yeah he's injured so he deserves a chance to shine but that's the on Pitch perspective.

Commercially it's a disaster
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Nevermind that he would have been a free transfer had we waited.
 
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C'mon guys sometimes we need to remember football players are human beings too. The last few pages of discussion have reduced him to a commodity. The guys been injured for AGES, how do you think he feels? it's not his fault.
 
Tumbleweed in terms of news so I guess the title change is the only fun to be had in this thread.
 
Mainoonited said:
C'mon guys sometimes we need to remember football players are human beings too. The last few pages of discussion have reduced him to a commodity. The guys been injured for AGES, how do you think he feels? it's not his fault.
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Whilst I agree, I can't say I really give too much of a shit about Mount. He's a Chelsea youth team player who we massively overpaid for for some reason and is now injured. He may go on to be a hit for us as he's still young but right now he's a nonentity getting paid handsomely for doing not a lot.
 
Fortitude said:
Giggs had massive issues with his hamstrings, and essentially changed his game to accommodate that, arguably never being the same player he was again. By his own account, he never fully turned on the afterburners again, accepting his body simply couldn’t handle it; he played within himself to get by, but because his top level was so high, dropping down a notch or two wasn’t the end of the world, plus he had the ability to hone other skills and modify his game. I think we all agree Rooney was never the same player again after that metatarsal disaster.

I think they had so much more ability than a Mount, that the workaround was doable as they were still superior to most on a football pitch. My concern for Mount is he needs every sinew of the attributes he is touted for and can’t afford a drop off because, with due respect, he doesn’t have world class ability or attributes to pick and choose from - Mount without his engine and mobility would be severely compromised.

I’m in the camp that thinks he was a very meh signing to begin with - and that’s the full fitness version of him - so I do sincerely hope that the injurie don’t rob him of the chance to prove himself at his best. That would be a real shame.
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I agree with most of it but about his engine: Fitness levels is just about avoiding injury and have a plan to get there imo. It’s not about speed as with Giggs.

I’d be more worried whether he has the mentality to come back, focus on stuff like Giggs to avoid yoga. Man Utd is a vacation for too many players and if you’re out for too long, you might wonder what you can get away with.

Really hope he gets back to his best though. Ideally he (25 years) could replace Bruno (29 years) so it’s not like we don’t have room for Mount in the future imo.
 
I love that this thread title gets progressively more insane every time I visit the caf. :lol:

Almost makes the £60m worth it.
 
Mainoonited said:
C'mon guys sometimes we need to remember football players are human beings too. The last few pages of discussion have reduced him to a commodity. The guys been injured for AGES, how do you think he feels? it's not his fault.
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Just add "many men...many many many many men" to the title and make it complete.
 
Ighalo25Red said:
£55 was a great deal for a young, English player with international experience, who can play all across the front line and was Chelsea’s POTY.

He’s a lad who actively chose to leave Chelsea as he wanted to play for Manchester United, and he hasn’t had a proper chance to show us what he’s got yet. I think it’s poor form as a supporter to write him off as a bad signing so early. Maybe if we get behind him as a fanbase it will help him find his best form when he returns?
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He's 25, not exactly young in footballing terms, I'm not sure why his Nationality or international experience is relevant either?

He's a lad who actively chose to leave Chelsea as they wouldn't pay him anywhere near the wages that Manchester United would!
John Terry spoke about this recently and said that Mount is Chelsea through and through.

He's basically a write off at this point.
He'll be on loan to West Ham or Palace before you know it!
 
MegadrivePerson said:
He's 25, not exactly young in footballing terms, I'm not sure why his Nationality or international experience is relevant either?

He's a lad who actively chose to leave Chelsea as they wouldn't pay him anywhere near the wages that Manchester United would!
John Terry spoke about this recently and said that Mount is Chelsea through and through.

He's basically a write off at this point.
He'll be on loan to West Ham or Palace before you know it!
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Yeah it's hard not to have doubts about him ever settling here when has been plagued by injury
 
Why is it that even a former ex Chelsea player like Havertz is playing and scoring goals but Mount is not given more chance to play?
 
Mason Mount's misfortune means, miraculously, momentously, mastery manifest, Mount's mesmerizing maneuvers must materialize, making matches memorable.
 
Loon said:
It sounds more and more like "top men..." at the end of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK now...
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Weirdly we also put our injured players into wooden crates and store them in Area 51 until such time as they are healed.

Some say Phil Jones actually only stubbed his toe aged 19 but due to incorrect storage process his container was never found.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Weirdly we also put our injured players into wooden crates and store them in Area 51 until such time as they are healed.

Some say Phil Jones actually only stubbed his toe aged 19 but due to incorrect storage process his container was never found.
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:lol:
 
One of the great cover ups. There will be a Netflix documentary in 3 years time about this
 
Ighalo25Red said:
£55 was a great deal for a young, English player with international experience, who can play all across the front line and was Chelsea’s POTY.

He’s a lad who actively chose to leave Chelsea as he wanted to play for Manchester United, and he hasn’t had a proper chance to show us what he’s got yet. I think it’s poor form as a supporter to write him off as a bad signing so early. Maybe if we get behind him as a fanbase it will help him find his best form when he returns?
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I am fully behind Mason Mount when he returns from injury but £55m for a back up squad player with one year left on their contract, plus £250k+ a week, is clearly not a good deal.
 
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