Yep. Though we still have a strange dichotomy where people like Che Guevara (who obviously fits all the criteria of a terrorist in definition) are held up as marketable icons.
Mass shooting at Church in US
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When I hear of mass shootings in America I tend to think it was some disaffected inadequate with a personal vendetta as that profile seems to make up the vast majority of mass shootings over there. Has America even had a mass shooting perpetrated by Islamic extremists yet?
It's a good point. I'd probably think the same for the U.S.
Fort Hood springs to mind - classified as either terrorism or workplace violence depending on one's own outlook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
That's usually the case. Columbine, Virginia Tech etc. Usually one or more disaffected nutters with access to guns doing the damage.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/
Correct.
There are some scumbags in the world, RIP to the victims of this awful crime. I hope they find the person that did it, alive and quickly so that he can face justice.
I think it was lazier than you would expect. Then again, credible sources quickly linked the gunmen to terrorist cells so speculation on that was minimal. I think.
Yes we have
While we debate again the whole terrorism or not thing let me ask what are the chances that as with so many other mass shootings the guy turns out to have a history of mental illness?
Glad its not just me
Been identified as this guy, a 21 year old who has been arrested before.
He looks harmless enough.
The only solution is for Pastors to be armed.
What would Jesus carry?
What would Jesus carry?
Looks like a young evil John Malkovich.
I think he would carry an AK47. He was a socialist.
You'd think he'd have shot his hairdresser first.
The burden of your sins.
and a nail gun.
Have the pro/anti gun lobbyists had anything to say yet?
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Similar to what someone said a bit earlier, that mental illness defense seems to only apply to a certain type of perpetrator?
Been identified as this guy, a 21 year old who has been arrested before.
Lower down on his jacket there are Rhodesia and Apartheid-era South Africa.
Definitely a white supremacist/neo-nazi.
So he's a terror-hateist?
Looks like he was trying to get to the mountains to hide out.
Been identified as this guy, a 21 year old who has been arrested before.
"Fergie out" springs to mind....
Been identified as this guy, a 21 year old who has been arrested before.
Jaysus. I'd arrest him just on that picture alone.
BBC News just said he'd been given a gun for his 21st birthday.
He's been arrested.
A 21 year old in 2015 sporting a bowl cut, ffs.
Seems somebody's a bit bitter about not landing the role of Simon from Misfits.
There you have it.
I find it concerning that a lot of people are more worried over what type of attack it was and about the political correctness of how it might be portrayed in certain media outlets than about the actual fact that 9 people got killed.
He will surely face the death penalty.
He will surely face the death penalty.
Like who?
Yes, SC has the death penalty. He'll probably take a plea deal that sentences him to life imprisonment.
Do wonder how impactful these white militia supremacy groups are . They do thrive online now, we talk about how radical Islamists are able to propagate their hate speech online. Should there be a conversation maybe on seeing how we can weed out these type of guys on forums etc?
Not sure about this guy in particular, but Elliot Rodger was quite prominent online. Its difficult of course with freedom of speech and all that. But is enough of a spotlight on other things like white power types and soverign citizen movement?
Not sure about this guy in particular, but Elliot Rodger was quite prominent online. Its difficult of course with freedom of speech and all that. But is enough of a spotlight on other things like white power types and soverign citizen movement?
If you look at some recent mass shootings the killer had a previous history of mental illness. Nothing at all to do with the legal defense
People are capable of doing both those things at the same time.
I think its less to do with political correctness, but more challenging the overarching media narrative and terminology around these events which people take issue with. The fact that despite whatever your definition of the word is, it is almost quite literally in practice only applied to muslim jihadist/fundamentalist types.
For fighting terrorism, we have invaded countries, given up civil liberties etc etc. And in part its the way its talked about, the "tone" of the reporting, the experts brought on, the analysis of more than just the suspect but the overall ideology. People demand this much insight for these kinds of incidents too and one way they think that can be done is if we look into differences as to how these things are reported in the aftermath.
Do they care more about this than the tragedy? I doubt it, but they should be allowed to talk about it without having their sincerity questioned over how they feel about the tragedy of the event.
That's a huge... baseball.
RIP, terrible, to be killed in Church... let's see how the media play this out. Maybe we should ask all skinny white guys to apologise for his actions. I've already seen a headline saying "Attack on faith". Yeah, 'faith'.