That black market and personal danger thing really won't apply in a country which is already ridiculously over saturated with guns. Ban them? Yeah, maybe there's a slight chance in our lifetime. Confiscation will never in a trillion years happen, not without borderline civil war.
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Timothy McVeigh killed many more people with fertilizer and a minivan.
I'm sure you can work it out if you try.
All of you guys advocating a full ban on guns in the US, don't you think that the damage is already done, so to say?
That banning them now would just lead to the ones with licenses etc. forced to hand them back in, but due to the extreme numbers of guns in society as a whole criminals would have a plentifull supply still?
That banning them now would just lead to the ones with licenses etc. forced to hand them back in, but due to the extreme numbers of guns in society as a whole criminals would have a plentifull supply still?
hate crime? ffs what mass murder isn't. we will see if it was a "terror attack" in the days to come. wouldn't surprise me it was motivated by some religious zeal against gays.
Why don't we just make a constitutional amendment to ban murder then?
You're not going to stop bad people from doing bad things by telling them to stop or by banning something. Prohibition taught us that.
Availability of guns go a long way in encouraging crimes like these but does anyone else feel there's just a general lunatic problem in America? Why do they have so many nutters. I find it hard to imagine that in countries like Germany or Britain where stuff like this don't happen much, have as many loons itching to go out and kill people, but can't because they got no guns. We can't just put down all these shootings to guns being available, there's something fecking wrong with people mentally over there
What does this have to do with British news?
Having an AR 15 as a regular Joe to protect your house is as hilarious as it is terrifying.
This is correct. Law abiding citizens would become unarmed, while criminals will refuse to follow the law and keep theirs.
Of course it won't overnight, but thats equally no excuse. Make owning a gun illegal, and eventually you'll solve the problem. It might take 50-100 years, but eventually you'll sort it. The longer you leave it the longer it will take.
Good for you. Don´t let people fool you. I have seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail. These rabbits, man.
I'm sure the first uninvited guest to come through my door will think the same thing.
So why not drop all laws then?
I've seen this argument before but it's not like it hasn't already been done. Australia did it very successfully after a massive massacre. Albeit Australia has a much lower population and political ties to the world than the US but I don't think that changes that much.
As for the plentiful supply part? Well, no, in the US you can currently go buy assault rifles, in a shop, with no license, for very affordable prices for the average person. If guns were banned they would suddenly become a lot more expensive, as with any banned substance/item, and no longer affordable. It might take some time but it will happen.
More like coyotes and wild hogs.
It could take decades, but it would make a difference. If you think on society as whole beyond your immediate time concerns it's the only way it makes sense.
Obviously there's no easy answer, but change has to start somewhere. Draw a line and eventually the situation will be resolved.
You are aware that plenty of other countries around the world have made changes to their gun laws that stopped these things happening?
Not if they enter in a tank
You're the one who pointed it out... why don't you?
Fertiliser has another legitimate function. Guns kind of exist only to fire projectiles at living things. Specifically, they were originally designed to kill people.
But you'd agree that there has to be a start, right?
Banning weapons like this is a good place.
Then I have bigger problems on my hands.
Je suis Charlie.
As were many other things still readily available for purchase. Your point?
The vast majority of mass shooters aren't going to go those lengths though. In places where mass shootings are rare such as Japan,UK, Australia, we don't see bombings instead.
Like France?
You're right! Better get a bazooka in case of uninvited tank incursions.
I was brought up a Christian yet I do not hate.
I'm not here to argue the authenticity or reality of religious beliefs. All I am saying is iF the bible says there will be eternal punishment for Gay people, that is none of my business since I am not God.
And also not every homophobe is born out of religious conviction.
I'm sure we have the same amount of nutters. The relative difficulty of killing 50 odd people with a knife as opposed to a gun makes the damage they can do much less memorable.
There haven't been bombings around the world recently?
I must admit that if I lived in the US I would have owned a gun. Just because of these robberies you read about with gang members breaking into homes, and the sheer lunacy of everyday crime over there.
Which is why I sometimes take issue with people here in Norway being all high and mighty about the "gun wielding Americans", we are viewing this with our Norwegian specs on, where a sheep hit by a car will reach the news. In the US you need to kill atleast 5 people to be worthy of a tiny notice in the local newspaper.
Which is why I sometimes take issue with people here in Norway being all high and mighty about the "gun wielding Americans", we are viewing this with our Norwegian specs on, where a sheep hit by a car will reach the news. In the US you need to kill atleast 5 people to be worthy of a tiny notice in the local newspaper.
yea France had just as much of a problem with guns as the US.Ordinance =/= arms
You're comparing countries with 60/80m people to a country with 380m people! Fact is the US is by far the largest and most ethnically and religiously diverse country on earth so it's natural that there are more 'nutjobs'.
I've been there many times and know many Americans who have been here and never encountered any 'nutter's. Largely they're all really nice people.
Could you purchase the weapons used by the Paris shooters legally in France?
Being too 'macho' to admit mental disorders until recently would be a start. It's machismo that built America after all.
But there is also something about the change in family structure in the digital age and people being isolated despite being surrounded by others that we can't quite put our finger on. And that's a whole other story...
I'm aware of what the media calls an AR-15.
The definition of an assault rifle is first that it is fully automatic. An AR is not.