Look at the teams he's had though. Pep has the best squad and first 11 in the country.
Swap Pep and Poch around as managers in those jobs and Pep wouldn't have won a single PL title. Circumstances are key.
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Look at the teams he's had though. Pep has the best squad and first 11 in the country.
Swap Pep and Poch around as managers in those jobs and Pep wouldn't have won a single PL title. Circumstances are key.
Because people are still holding on to the best spurs version of him. Which we haven't seen for 3 years.
Pep dealt with Aguero not wanted to press when he first got there just fine
You dont need them to change their game. You need them to trust and believe in your methods
Its a different scenario. Aguero may not have done quite as much off the ball as pep wanted but he was never as lazy as the psg front three. There was also only of him, think you can work around one player not running as much as others but not three
Seems like we are waiting it out for Pochettino, which is great news. Ralf ragnick will help our United players get use to the intense high pressing game poch was known to modernize in the premier league before he takes charge in the summer.
Even though lots of pundit are defending Pochettino and even saying he should leave psg now, I find it admirable that Pochettino wants to stay and see if he can somehow make things work when you have only 7 players defending. That would be an impossible feat. I remember when a lot of fans on here kept saying that how can a manager struggle with having a front three of Neymar, Messi and Mbappe. Seems like it was another amadaeus moment as they underestimated the value of hardwork Over individual brilliance.
Even though lots of pundit are defending Pochettino and even saying he should leave psg now, I find it admirable that Pochettino wants to stay and see if he can somehow make things work when you have only 7 players defending. That would be an impossible feat. I remember when a lot of fans on here kept saying that how can a manager struggle with having a front three of Neymar, Messi and Mbappe. Seems like it was another amadaeus moment as they underestimated the value of hardwork Over individual brilliance.
Keep watching from the outside, Poch. Go home and listen to sad love poetry today. Put on a heart crushing love song and let the tears flow.
To slog it out until the end of the season with an interim, and still pick Pochettino over Ten Hag would be disappointing to say the least.
Pep didnt work around him. He dropped him
A fascinating read. But when a manager wins their first title/European trophy and when they peak are not necessarily the same thing. I certainly don’t thing Alex Ferguson’s peak was at 39 or 42.
Edit: read your other post before that. I think there are examples of managers other than Fergie who had their best years after 50. Again, the time when they first have success is not necessarily their peak.
What was the point of this anyway? Trying to establish that Ole was unlikely to suddenly became a world beating manager after 50? On that I agree. I don’t think great managers necessarily ‘peak’ before 50 but they definitely show way more aptitude in their 30s and 40s than Ole has up to this point.
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Then we sack the interim right away.
Now with Rangnick becoming our interim, I wonder if Pochettino is still favourite or we may go for ten Hag. Some reports today suggested that ten Hag has become our number 1 target. Interesting days and months ahead. At least it looks like we're trying to do things more wisely.
I don't understand the notion Rangnick makes ETH more likely. Their football couldn't be more different. The only thing they have in common is high press.
Pochettino is more similar to Ralf than ETH is.
Pochettino is more similar to Ralf than ETH is.
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Very true - this was actually (originally) in response to another post, so it lacks a bit of context.
However, I think you could argue that most (great) managers had their peak somewhere around the point where they first started winning major trophies.
There are clearly exceptions, though. Fergie is an outlier in most ways. Firstly, yes - his peak wasn't the Aberdeen years (clearly not). If he had what could be defined as a more or less "standard" peak, the latter would be at least 15 years after his European success with Aberdeen.
And secondly - he never really went off the boil. He remained a top class manager until the day he retired (which is extremely rare).
Ideally, to make a list that is closer to nailing down peak, one could include a bracket for "last major trophy won" (but even that wouldn't really do it - as peak really is something less than 100% tangible).
Your wumming is incredibly tired and boring now.
Edited my earlier post as I have now read more of the context. It’s hard to determine what ‘peak’ means with managers but I think you are absolutely right in terms of your overarching point.
If Ragnick will sort of be a pseudo DoF for the next 2 years, surely it means that a Poch to United is now more unlikely. Doesn’t Poch not like to work under DoFs, or am I making this up?
Could be that plus in summer there can be new candidates arising. Let's see what Poch can conjure up with PSG to the end of the season.
The point was that managers tend to peak during, more or less, their first decade at high level and that the ones that do not are outliers. Outside of the peak talks, managers evolve the most during their early years, someone that doesn't adapt and chance his ways in his first decade is unlikely to do it later, managers that are adaptive show that quality early, they don't suddenly out of nowhere change.
What did I wum about? At least say it.
Yeah I think people have put 2+2 together and come out with 5, forgetting the whole side of the game that involves having possession of the ball.
They are more blinded by their desire for ETH to be our manager than adhering to footballing logic.
Well at least now when Poch does arrive he'll have a league title to his name
Someone mentioned seeing Poch as new Wenger. I agree with that. Poch is not the pioneer, torch carrier in any of category. His team can be progressive, but never reached the formidable level of Pep possession ball, or Klopp's counter pressing plan. He at the end of his Spurs time could be more pragmatic, but again doesn't show the level of mastery level of adaptiveness Tuchel show. Since being the progressive category, his team is not as good in the conventional pragmatic type of football.
So if you look at Wenger, you can see similarity: a good coach who with the right environment and condition (competition quality or lack of, player quality, luck of draw ...) can mingle among the best. However, never being able to be the absolute best, which in turn he prefers to lower achievement expectation, rather pushing himself and his team raise and adapt to face the new challenge head on. As the competitiveness kept being raised, his level of achievement would become not good enough.
We might get him, big John Murtough is here.
Bringing Spurs to the CL final with Alli, Winks, Dier, Sanchez, Davies etc. might be the greatest managerial achievement of all time. Spurs lost to a 5th placed team in Slovenian division today with all of these playing.
Since he left Spurs it has only made his achievements there seem much better. He didn’t win trophies but getting Spurs top 4 consistently and a CL final was incredible.
He did so well there that people said Spurs had a top 3/4 team yet they didn’t
how about winning it with djimi traore, Riise, Kewell, Baros and Dudek.
They didn't play that well getting to the final, they choked and were terrible in the final and were crap in the league most of the season. Its not much of an achievement.
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Sorry I meant regularly been competitive with them.
Well it be hard when one can spend 1 billion and the other 500m while you spend f all as your club pays for a stadium
This does not really show anything.
I am not sure what happened next but the player on the ball is in loads of space with a teammate moving towards him with loads of options to switch the play where City would be outnumbered at the back.
Football moves so fast that screenshots are a bit useless. A bit like a famous image of Iniesta playing for Spain where it looked like he was alone against 7 or 8 defenders. 2 seconds after the picture he played it to a full back on the overlap.
Not defending Pochettino, this just doesn't show much of anything.
Imagine losing 2-1 away to city after beating them 2-0 at home and being criticised ?
And you don’t think they work hard because the manager makes them to. Are you saying they pick and choose what match day to work hard in. World class managers get the best out of players no matter what ego they have.
I mean managers have gotten the best out of players like Pogba, Zlatan, Ronaldo , Neymar, Messi etc bigger egos than Mbappe
People rate Pochettino highly. He is in one of the top three managers in football that is why people expected him to go to Manchester city and win, which is not an easy feat for any manager.Now they are expecting him to win the Champions League with only 7 players defending and the amount of ego he has to deal with. This is the type of criticism tops managers get. I feel that his time at psg will only make him stronger as we have seen with tuchel and emery.
I mean look at United expectations we had under Ole. People on here often lower our standards just to satisfy Ole
There was another point in the 1st half where PSG won the ball back on the edge of their own box, the front 3 had stayed up front so you'd think at least one of them would show for an outball, but they just stood there huddled together and the ball was played in the left channel where there wasn't a soul in sight.
I would usually be questioning the manager but you can just tell this is the antithesis of how Poch wants his teams to play football. I suppose you have to question his ability to gain authority in a dressing room of big stars but I don't think he'd be the only manager who would be having this exact same problem.
Please remove the "soon United Manager" from the thread title. If anyone from the club checks this site, they might actually think we want this bum as our manager. Add it to Ten Hag's thread title if you want though.
Posts like this make me want Poch even more.
I can't believe there are people alive who want us to be or play like that Tottenham team from a couple of years ago.
Now they are expecting him to win the Champions League with only 7 players defending and the amount of ego he has to deal with. This is the type of criticism tops managers get. I feel that his time at psg will only make him stronger as we have seen with tuchel and emery.
I mean look at United expectations we had under Ole. People on here often lower our standards just to satisfy Ole
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