Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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Champ said:
Poch hasn't been backed so far??

Seems like he has to me. Three signings already, to go along side Nkunku whom was already on the books essentially.
Don't really think he hasn't been backed, and really with the squad he has top three should be achievable.

Anything less than top four would be a massive failure for Chelsea and Poch this season.
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Three signings as in Jackson, Angelo and Ugochukwu? The latter two being 18-19yo and having first of all been signed with a view of shipping them out on loan to our 'partner club' Strasbourg for a year or two to develop them?

After selling the likes of Kovacic, RLC and Mount this summer, on top of unexpectedly losing Kante who was previously thought to be on the verge of signing a contract extension, our number one priority for the summer was getting a new starting quality defensive midfielder to play alongside Enzo. That was the bare minimum requirement and in that regard we have done feck all progress up to this point in the window and the season starts in just over a weeks time. After all those departures and not a single senior player signed for that area of the pitch our midfield is hands down a lot worse than it was last season. Right now our options for the base of midfield (where we need two starters for 4-2-3-1) are basically just Enzo and the 19yo Andrey Santos whose professional footballing experience is limited to like 6 matches in the Brazilian top division and a bunch of games in the Brazilian Serie B for Vasco.

At least the club reacted quickly to Wes Fofana's long term injury by pursuing the signing of Alex Disasi which is now said to be close to being confirmed but so far the club have really let Poch down when it comes to the midfield situation and understandably he seems to be a little frustrated about it. Either pay up whatever's needed to land Caicedo or ditch that idea completely and start pursuing some other alternatives quickly.

Other than urgently needing a top midfielder and maybe getting a new 2nd choice keeper I'm content with how our squad is looking right now. We've trimmed down the size of the squad to a more manageable size and I think Nkunku, Jackson, Gusto, Colwill and Maatsen are all good additions. There are lots of good building blocks in our squad but the need for a top class midfielder is so urgent it's borderline ridiculous how we haven't gotten one yet.
 
Rnd898 said:
Three signings as in Jackson, Angelo and Ugochukwu? The latter two being 18-19yo and having first of all been signed with a view of shipping them out on loan to our 'partner club' Strasbourg for a year or two to develop them?

After selling the likes of Kovacic, RLC and Mount this summer, on top of unexpectedly losing Kante who was previously thought to be on the verge of signing a contract extension, our number one priority for the summer was getting a new starting quality defensive midfielder to play alongside Enzo. That was the bare minimum requirement and in that regard we have done feck all progress up to this point in the window and the season starts in just over a weeks time. After all those departures and not a single senior player signed for that area of the pitch our midfield is hands down a lot worse than it was last season. Right now our options for the base of midfield (where we need two starters for 4-2-3-1) are basically just Enzo and the 19yo Andrey Santos whose professional footballing experience is limited to like 6 matches in the Brazilian top division and a bunch of games in the Brazilian Serie B for Vasco.

At least the club reacted quickly to Wes Fofana's long term injury by pursuing the signing of Alex Disasi which is now said to be close to being confirmed but so far the club have really let Poch down when it comes to the midfield situation and understandably he seems to be a little frustrated about it. Either pay up whatever's needed to land Caicedo or ditch that idea completely and start pursuing some other alternatives quickly.

Other than urgently needing a top midfielder and maybe getting a new 2nd choice keeper I'm content with how our squad is looking right now. We've trimmed down the size of the squad to a more manageable size and I think Nkunku, Jackson, Gusto, Colwill and Maatsen are all good additions. There are lots of good building blocks in our squad but the need for a top class midfielder is so urgent it's borderline ridiculous how we haven't gotten one yet.
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Have you trimmed down your squad?
 
Dancfc said:
In fairness IIRC the only somewhat challenging team we played under AVB was McLeish's Villa, this time nearly all the games have been potential banana skins.

I remember (under AVB) we played Malaysia Xl and it took a Drogba free kick late on to win and only beat a second tier Pompey thanks to an early OG.

That said we for sure have to keep our feet on the ground but from a tactical and performance view point I've been delighted with what I've seen so far.
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I think a lot of that perception is of course where you've actually come from as well.

You've come from a real low point, so anything remotely positive, even basics such as actual effort and energy that were sorely lacking last season will be greeted with lots of excitement and acclaim, and that's fair enough.
 
Dancfc said:
In fairness IIRC the only somewhat challenging team we played under AVB was McLeish's Villa, this time nearly all the games have been potential banana skins.

I remember (under AVB) we played Malaysia Xl and it took a Drogba free kick late on to win and only beat a second tier Pompey thanks to an early OG.

That said we for sure have to keep our feet on the ground but from a tactical and performance view point I've been delighted with what I've seen so far.
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You're right but I guess the overall point here is that obviously it's nice to have a good preseason but ultimately there are are times we've had poor preseasons and gone on to have incredible seasons and times we've had incredible preseasons and gone on to have to rather poor seasons. So other than looking out for new players settling in and player's getting back into shape, and I guess watching tactics if one is into that, then the rest is meaningless.
 
GoonerBear said:
I think a lot of that perception is of course where you've actually come from as well.

You've come from a real low point, so anything remotely positive, even basics such as actual effort and energy that were sorely lacking last season will be greeted with lots of excitement and acclaim, and that's fair enough.
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I honestly think basic fitness was a huge issue last season. Chilwell said the other day that he felt fine going into last season but during it became apparent that he, and the rest of the time, just weren't at the required fitness levels to compete in the PL. A game that will always be stuck in my memory from last season is the 3-1 defeat at the Emirates. It epitomised everything that was wrong about last season - poor fitness, zero effort, little to no motivation. Arsenal were strolling around in 5th gear playing us off the park as if we were a 4th division team.
 
Rnd898 said:
Three signings as in Jackson, Angelo and Ugochukwu? The latter two being 18-19yo and having first of all been signed with a view of shipping them out on loan to our 'partner club' Strasbourg for a year or two to develop them?

After selling the likes of Kovacic, RLC and Mount this summer, on top of unexpectedly losing Kante who was previously thought to be on the verge of signing a contract extension, our number one priority for the summer was getting a new starting quality defensive midfielder to play alongside Enzo. That was the bare minimum requirement and in that regard we have done feck all progress up to this point in the window and the season starts in just over a weeks time. After all those departures and not a single senior player signed for that area of the pitch our midfield is hands down a lot worse than it was last season. Right now our options for the base of midfield (where we need two starters for 4-2-3-1) are basically just Enzo and the 19yo Andrey Santos whose professional footballing experience is limited to like 6 matches in the Brazilian top division and a bunch of games in the Brazilian Serie B for Vasco.

At least the club reacted quickly to Wes Fofana's long term injury by pursuing the signing of Alex Disasi which is now said to be close to being confirmed but so far the club have really let Poch down when it comes to the midfield situation and understandably he seems to be a little frustrated about it. Either pay up whatever's needed to land Caicedo or ditch that idea completely and start pursuing some other alternatives quickly.

Other than urgently needing a top midfielder and maybe getting a new 2nd choice keeper I'm content with how our squad is looking right now. We've trimmed down the size of the squad to a more manageable size and I think Nkunku, Jackson, Gusto, Colwill and Maatsen are all good additions. There are lots of good building blocks in our squad but the need for a top class midfielder is so urgent it's borderline ridiculous how we haven't gotten one yet.
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Should the Disasi transfer go through that'd be well over 120m euros spent, that's not factoring Nkunku into the equation either.
So yeah, I'd say he's been backed.

Personally I feel a keeper should be higher priority than a midfielder, going into the season with Kepa as number one is alarming really.
By all accounts you are going after a striker and a midfielder along with a number one keeper.
Should these targets be got then a top three finish and a trophy really should be the absolute minimum that's expected, even without them the squad is good enough for a top three spot in my opinion.
 
GoonerBear said:
I think a lot of that perception is of course where you've actually come from as well.

You've come from a real low point, so anything remotely positive, even basics such as actual effort and energy that were sorely lacking last season will be greeted with lots of excitement and acclaim, and that's fair enough.
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For me I don't think that's totally true, even last season I was beginning to see some signs that encouraged me under Potter/Bruno until we effectively forfeited the season rehiring Lamps.
 
Amadaeus said:
Engaged throughout the match even if it is a friendly. Great mentality to have, which will eminent throughout his team.
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Wait so you're telling me that the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world paid attention and showed interest throughout the entire 90 minutes of the match?!

Jesus now I know why you love him so much. Stunning stuff.
 
Champ said:
Should the Disasi transfer go through that'd be well over 120m euros spent, that's not factoring Nkunku into the equation either.
So yeah, I'd say he's been backed.

Personally I feel a keeper should be higher priority than a midfielder, going into the season with Kepa as number one is alarming really.
By all accounts you are going after a striker and a midfielder along with a number one keeper.
Should these targets be got then a top three finish and a trophy really should be the absolute minimum that's expected, even without them the squad is good enough for a top three spot in my opinion.
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For me our squad still among top 6 teams. Many of our fans still being cautious because experience in the league and not playing together much.

Injuries permitting I think we will finish in top 5.If not it's a failure but I won't sack pochettino for that. But next season we should be in title challenge. No excuse if not in title challenge.
 
Rajiztar said:
For me our squad still among top 6 teams. Many of our fans still being cautious because experience in the league and not playing together much.

Injuries permitting I think we will finish in top 5.If not it's a failure but I won't sack pochettino for that. But next season we should be in title challenge. No excuse if not in title challenge.
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I'm inclined to agree with you for most of that.
I think top four should be achieved this season though, I don't see Newcastle being quite as consistent as last season, also Poch has plenty of time on the training ground with no European football which will assist him massively.
 
Amadaeus said:
I doubt Pochettino will be sacked in 7 months. The football they are playing has been really positive. Today, they should have scored 6. Maybe the pitch didn't help with some of those poor finishing
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Curious...are you still United fan or switched to Chelsea?
 
Champ said:
Should the Disasi transfer go through that'd be well over 120m euros spent, that's not factoring Nkunku into the equation either.
So yeah, I'd say he's been backed.

Personally I feel a keeper should be higher priority than a midfielder, going into the season with Kepa as number one is alarming really.
By all accounts you are going after a striker and a midfielder along with a number one keeper.
Should these targets be got then a top three finish and a trophy really should be the absolute minimum that's expected, even without them the squad is good enough for a top three spot in my opinion.
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So who between City, Arsenal and United do you think we should be finishing above? And what are the absolute minimum, would you say, for those teams?
 
Amadaeus said:
Engaged throughout the match even if it is a friendly. Great mentality to have, which will eminent throughout his team.

It is unfortunate though that Bohley and the chelsea hierarchy hasn't significantly strengthened his first team this window. Jackson is the only addition they have made this window for first team and some could say his quality is questionable at the moment. Caicedo should have been bought already. In addition, a ram like cherki. These signings should be done already. The rest in a goalkeeper, perhaps a center back and another number 6 like lavia could wait for more assessments but the two like Caceido and cherki should be done by now. They are hindering Pochettino to getting a strong starts with these delays. I can only imagine that the squad he has now will be used for his first game of the season because at least they already settled in earlier.
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Getting the excuses in early, I see. No matter that they’re as witless as most of the other stuff you post about Chelsea, the main thing is you get to blame someone else if/when your hero has a slow start to the season.
 
WeePat said:
So who between City, Arsenal and United do you think we should be finishing above? And what are the absolute minimum, would you say, for those teams?
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To be fair it likely won't matter anyway with it being most likely that 5 PL teams qualify for the CL next season. I'd say all of the traditional top 5 (excluded Spurs) would have failed if they don't qualify for the CL next season.

Your club does have a big advantage of 1 game a week unless you go deep in both cups, so you should expect to finish above at least 1 or 2 teams from that top 5 group.
 
Champ said:
Should the Disasi transfer go through that'd be well over 120m euros spent, that's not factoring Nkunku into the equation either.
So yeah, I'd say he's been backed.

Personally I feel a keeper should be higher priority than a midfielder, going into the season with Kepa as number one is alarming really.
By all accounts you are going after a striker and a midfielder along with a number one keeper.
Should these targets be got then a top three finish and a trophy really should be the absolute minimum that's expected, even without them the squad is good enough for a top three spot in my opinion.
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More than 40M of that has been spent on players who will not even be a part of Poch's squad this season and will play for the ownership group's other club Strasbourg instead so I'm not really sure if those figures can be included in there when talking about our chances in the upcoming season in particular and whether the manager has been 'backed' on the market or not? There's a decent chance Poch won't even be at the club anymore by the time those kids are ready for the first team, if they even make it in the first place.

And yeah like I said the Disasi move was a good reaction by the club to Fofana's long term injury but signing him won't improve our squad quality compared to having a healthy Fofana in there. So is signing Disasi really 'backing the manager' to the extent where we should expect the team to improve based on the amount of money spent if the main reason we had to spend the money in the first place was that we happened to lose another higher rated player for the entire season?

For me the term 'backing the manager' translates to improving the first team squad quality over what you already had with a good level of investment and getting in players who the manager has either personally requested or who just otherwise fit his footballing philosophy as per the club's sporting leaders. We've improved certain areas of the squad but if the midfield continues to be neglected like this I couldn't in good faith say Poch's been backed on the market. It might still happen going to the end of the window but it certainly hasn't happened yet.

As for the goalies, you're just plain wrong. Having Kepa as first choice won't make or break our season but not having a single midfielder we can comfortably rely on to play next to Enzo week-in week-out will absolutely wreck our season starting from day one.

cyberman said:
Have you trimmed down your squad?
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Well right now the count is like 14 first team players out and 7 first team players in so yeah, I would say it's been trimmed by a healthy amount already. We might still see a couple more incomings but also a few more outgoings from last seasons squad too (ie. Chalobah sold and Hall going on loan).

In addition there are still some young lads around the group (ie. Casadei, Humphreys and the two recent signings) who've been given a chance to join the tour but were always going to be destined for loans for the season.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He reminds me of Glaston. You know it's waffle, you know part of it is him playing a character but he just has so much conviction and arrogance with it that it still manages to get a rise.
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I think he reminds me more of @Scholesy. Glaston was an obvious bell end, so it was easy to hate him. There’s an innocence to the nonsense peddled by this guy and Scholesy (despite the arrogance) that leaves me much more angry and confused.
 
P-Nut said:
To be fair it likely won't matter anyway with it being most likely that 5 PL teams qualify for the CL next season. I'd say all of the traditional top 5 (excluded Spurs) would have failed if they don't qualify for the CL next season.

Your club does have a big advantage of 1 game a week unless you go deep in both cups, so you should expect to finish above at least 1 or 2 teams from that top 5 group.
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Yeah for sure. I think top 4-5 is what we should be aiming for. I just thought top 3 was a bit too high given City are City, and United and Arsenal are much further along in their process. We've pretty much got a brand new team with a new manager. The one game a week thing is a huge advantage though, and I hope take full advantage of it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think he reminds me more of @Scholesy. Glaston was an obvious bell end, so it was easy to hate him. There’s an innocence to the nonsense peddled by this guy and Scholesy (despite the arrogance) that leaves me much more angry and confused.
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"Angry and confused" this is what you're doing to us @Armadaus

Was Scholesy the one who rambled on for ages about left footed penalty takers?
 
@Amadaeus are you a Chelsea fan or a United fan?
 
The Corinthian said:
@Amadaeus are you a Chelsea fan or a United fan?
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If you ask him he will say United fan but that he loves Poch too. But if you check his post history since Poch was appointed, it's been almost exclusively Chelsea related threads, some of them started by him. So I think he's just a Poch fanboy and by extension a fan of whatever team he's managing.
 
Champ said:
Poch hasn't been backed so far??

Seems like he has to me. Three signings already, to go along side Nkunku whom was already on the books essentially.
Don't really think he hasn't been backed, and really with the squad he has top three should be achievable.

Anything less than top four would be a massive failure for Chelsea and Poch this season.
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Also seems really disingenuous to ignore the £600m spent last season to revamp the squad and claim he hasn't been backed, any managed walking into that Chelsea job has been backed to a historical extent.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
"Angry and confused" this is what you're doing to us @Armadaus

Was Scholesy the one who rambled on for ages about left footed penalty takers?
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The left footed penalty taking expert was Rubber Indian man. He still posts. Scholesy was absolutely obsessed with Luka Modric. So it was quite annoying when his predictions of greatness came true. Although balance was restored to the universe when he became equally convinced that Ollie Norwood was Modric's heir apparent.
 
It's good that Amadeus gave us a proper metric to go by. 5th place, provided that it's not far behind 4th, would apparently make him an amazing manager. Let's fill out the rest with that as the starting point:

5th = amazing manager
4th = legendary manager
3rd = the greatest manager of his generation
2nd = the greatest manager of all time
1st = master of the universe
 
"Poch not backed" :lol:

He has been backed. Backed to do a bloody job with a squad that cost hundreds upon hundreds of millions of pounds and is stacked with young talent to develop and extract more from if you're a manager earning your corn. Frankly who wants to hear about how they're not his players at this stage. He's employed to do a job with a squad that has been invested in. Get on with it.
 
WeePat said:
If you ask him he will say United fan but that he loves Poch too. But if you check his post history since Poch was appointed, it's been almost exclusively Chelsea related threads, some of them started by him. So I think he's just a Poch fanboy and by extension a fan of whatever team he's managing.
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He is your problem now. Mazel tov!
 
Rnd898 said:
More than 40M of that has been spent on players who will not even be a part of Poch's squad this season and will play for the ownership group's other club Strasbourg instead so I'm not really sure if those figures can be included in there when talking about our chances in the upcoming season in particular and whether the manager has been 'backed' on the market or not? There's a decent chance Poch won't even be at the club anymore by the time those kids are ready for the first team, if they even make it in the first place.

And yeah like I said the Disasi move was a good reaction by the club to Fofana's long term injury but signing him won't improve our squad quality compared to having a healthy Fofana in there. So is signing Disasi really 'backing the manager' to the extent where we should expect the team to improve based on the amount of money spent if the main reason we had to spend the money in the first place was that we happened to lose another higher rated player for the entire season?

For me the term 'backing the manager' translates to improving the first team squad quality over what you already had with a good level of investment and getting in players who the manager has either personally requested or who just otherwise fit his footballing philosophy as per the club's sporting leaders. We've improved certain areas of the squad but if the midfield continues to be neglected like this I couldn't in good faith say Poch's been backed on the market. It might still happen going to the end of the window but it certainly hasn't happened yet.

As for the goalies, you're just plain wrong. Having Kepa as first choice won't make or break our season but not having a single midfielder we can comfortably rely on to play next to Enzo week-in week-out will absolutely wreck our season starting from day one.



Well right now the count is like 14 first team players out and 7 first team players in so yeah, I would say it's been trimmed by a healthy amount already. We might still see a couple more incomings but also a few more outgoings from last seasons squad too (ie. Chalobah sold and Hall going on loan).

In addition there are still some young lads around the group (ie. Casadei, Humphreys and the two recent signings) who've been given a chance to join the tour but were always going to be destined for loans for the season.
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Yeah but you’re trying to buy 2/3/4 players as we speak. You may only be 3 odd players less than what you had last season which can be explained away by young players coming and leaving.
You’re signing Brightons keeper as an example. Lukaku out who wasn’t there last season and bringing in Juves striker.
There’s a real chance it could be 1 in, 1 out in terms of numbers
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He reminds me of Glaston. You know it's waffle, you know part of it is him playing a character but he just has so much conviction and arrogance with it that it still manages to get a rise.
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Pogue Mahone said:
I think he reminds me more of @Scholesy. Glaston was an obvious bell end, so it was easy to hate him. There’s an innocence to the nonsense peddled by this guy and Scholesy (despite the arrogance) that leaves me much more angry and confused.
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Say what you like, but I'd love to have Glaston back on here. Seeing him measuring football success in terms of "cheese rooms opened" rather than "trophies won" gladdened my heart. I'd enjoy seeing his takes on the Kane situation right about now.
 
I don't see this relationship going well at all. What Poch has shown at Tottenham and at PSG demonstrates he can't handle the pressures of a big club. Once you also factor in this is the worst Chelsea squad in close to 20 years everyone must surely see this is a disaster waiting to happen. The great thing for us non Chelsea fans is we will get to see Amadeus' insane posts more.
 
Howl said:
I don't see this relationship going well at all. What Poch has shown at Tottenham and at PSG demonstrates he can't handle the pressures of a big club. Once you also factor in this is the worst Chelsea squad in close to 20 years everyone must surely see this is a disaster waiting to happen. The great thing for us non Chelsea fans is we will get to see Amadeus' insane posts more.
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I don't think the "pressures" are as big as at PSG, to be honest. There's a different profile of player at Chelsea and success is not measured by automatic league wins and ultimately CL success as they were there. Not at the moment anyway. The days of the Abramovich era of expectation are in the past but I still think there's a tendency to look at them in the same terms because it was that way for so long. That's history.

Success for Pochettino is probably going to be measured by the fans and ownership in terms of returning Chelsea towards the top 4, if not this season then within the next couple. Improving the young players they've invested loads in. I think that's the ideal job for Pochettino because that's how he made his name. Being "competitive", playing good football and backing youth. Where he came up short was in delivering tangible output in terms of silverware. So I'd say Pochettino and Chelsea currently align, I'm just not sure if he'll ultimately take them all the way.
 
Abraxas said:
I don't think the "pressures" are as big as at PSG, to be honest. There's a different profile of player at Chelsea and success is not measured by automatic league wins and ultimately CL success as they were there. Not at the moment anyway. The days of the Abramovich era of expectation are in the past but I still think there's a tendency to look at them in the same terms because it was that way for so long. That's history.

Success for Pochettino is probably going to be measured by the fans and ownership in terms of returning Chelsea towards the top 4, if not this season then within the next couple. Improving the young players they've invested loads in. I think that's the ideal job for Pochettino because that's how he made his name. Being "competitive", playing good football and backing youth. Where he came up short was in delivering tangible output in terms of silverware. So I'd say Pochettino and Chelsea currently align, I'm just not sure if he'll ultimately take them all the way.
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Surely though, after all the money Chelsea has spent they will be wanting silverware. Poch has never won anything (other than the french league stuff)), that's why I say he can't handle the pressures. I think he's a great manager when there is no pressure on the manager to win silverware, hence why he was so good at Tottenham originally and Southampton. Chelsea are a big club though and will be expecting to win something.
 
Abraxas said:
I don't think the "pressures" are as big as at PSG, to be honest. There's a different profile of player at Chelsea and success is not measured by automatic league wins and ultimately CL success as they were there. Not at the moment anyway. The days of the Abramovich era of expectation are in the past but I still think there's a tendency to look at them in the same terms because it was that way for so long. That's history.

Success for Pochettino is probably going to be measured by the fans and ownership in terms of returning Chelsea towards the top 4, if not this season then within the next couple. Improving the young players they've invested loads in. I think that's the ideal job for Pochettino because that's how he made his name. Being "competitive", playing good football and backing youth. Where he came up short was in delivering tangible output in terms of silverware. So I'd say Pochettino and Chelsea currently align, I'm just not sure if he'll ultimately take them all the way.
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They had three managers last season. Of course pressures are high.

If they start like they did last season, he could be out on his arse by November.
 
Howl said:
Surely though, after all the money Chelsea has spent they will be wanting silverware. Poch has never won anything (other than the french league stuff)), that's why I say he can't handle the pressures. I think he's a great manager when there is no pressure on the manager to win silverware, hence why he was so good at Tottenham originally and Southampton. Chelsea are a big club though and will be expecting to win something.
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With respect, he managed Southampton and Spurs before PSG. What was he supposed to win? Southampton don’t ever compete for trophies and Spurs are …. well they’re Spurs.
 
WeePat said:
With respect, he managed Southampton and Spurs before PSG. What was he supposed to win? Southampton don’t ever compete for trophies and Spurs are …. well they’re Spurs.
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He had multiple opportunities for trophies with Spurs including the PL and CL.
 
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