Was there that much improvement at Chelsea? Chelsea arent 5th now because Leicester fecked it up. Nothing to do with Tuchel.
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Yeah, they were 9th when he got the job 7 points away from top 4.
And had West Ham, Villa etc completley fall away in front of him? Im not saying there wasnt improvement but there wasnt that much.
Again, a Leicester win today means he would have finshed ahead of the likes of West Ham, Spurs and Arsenal. What are we lauding here? He only made 2 points up on us and we went on 2 really bad runs of form since he joined Chelsea.
Look at today. The only real difference between the embarrassment level of Poch and Tuchel is that Lille won and Leicester didnt. It would have been worse since Chelsea actually lost as well.
They did well to climb from 9th to top 4 to start with, considering how shit they looked like in this period under Lampard. Yes they were lucky in last weekend but to just say it was all due to the other clubs failing in front of them and not because they won enough games to enter last game being in top 4 makes it looks like you just don't want to give them any credit at all.
As for PSG. They lost a league title. It fecking happens. They also lost it in 2017 under Emery to Monaco. That was 4 years and Emery still kept his job. These odd seasons happen. It's quite disrespectful to Lille actually. It makes it look like they won the league because PSG was just shit. Maybe they won league because they just were that good. Maybe they won it because they had the season of their life. Maybe they won the league because they simply deserved it, and not everything has to be according to PSG's form. Maybe because they were simply better than PSG this year.
Maybe you won't simply keep winning the league every single year forever. Some times you will just have a shit season. It doesn't mean that you are terrible or anything. It happens.
Not much improvement? Are you on crack? We're in the Champions League final. It's a pretty fecking impressive thing to do regardless of how great your team is. Sir Alex at United managed to get into 4 of them despite having 13 title winning years.
Congratulations to Lille but a better manager at PSG wins this.
It seems somewhat obvious to me that PSG isn't as dominant in the league as, say, Juventus or Bayern, because the players don't really care about winning the french league that much. Which makes sense; we all ask "why is Neymar joining the french league" and things of the sort.
Roberto de Matteo the best manager Chelsea have ever seen then?
Were you out of the CL when Tuchel joined? Poch got to a CL semi final, with harder draws as well. Plus an argument can be made that you only outlasted PSG because they faced City in the semis while you get them in the final itself but that will only be show after the final (good luck by the way!)
Grant and De Matteo reached got you to CL finals if I remember correctly.
You are winning one game, not winning the next for a long time now. The Tuchel is doing a great job narrative is about 2 months out of date at this stage.
Impossible is nothing when it comes to Spurs and Leicester DNA
Too many egos in that team, on paper looks great but I bet they’re hard to manage.
I like Poch, don’t understand in the revelling in him doing badly. With Mourinho or Klopp I understand because of the type of people they are but not Poch.
On paper they don't look great at all, outside of Mbappé and Neymar. And the way Tuchel managed to make them change systems and approach regularly would indicate that they are on the easy side when it comes to coaching. I think people don't realize that half of their starting team is what most top teams have on their bench, it's not the team of 5 years ago.
I honestly dont have anything against Poch, but still cant help feeling a little bit of schadenfreude because we were repeatedly told Poch was one of the "top 3 managers in the world"
Too many man-childs and ego in that squad. Players like Verratti or Draxler didn't improve for years then you add poor fullbacks, poor centre-midfielders and you have to wonder if Neymar+Mbappe are actually worth it to make so many compromises in other areas.
Over hyped and over rated.
@Amadaeus he’s attacking daddy!
With so many people thinking that he is overhyped and overrated, isn't he actually normally hyped and rated? He is a good youngish manager but there are better managers, I believe that it is what most people think.
I think there's a degree of truth in what you say, especially when it comes to the cliché that PSG is difficult to manage. Tuchel, as you point out, regularly changed systems and his players accepted it. Pochettino, likewise, prepared specific tactics for the Champions league knock out ties that were executed well until the City games. It is an easy get out to claim that the PSG squad is unmanageable and no coach can control it. However, its a slur on the professionalism of PSG's players. One that does not stand up to evidence. PSG's players have repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to be tactically flexible and to follow instructions. Blaming the players is just a way of excusing Pochettino.
The squad, as you say, probably needs a bit of dusting up. However, I think most people's fire for Poch comes from the fact that very few people would pick Lille's squad over PSG's. Lille has done an amazing job this season. Don't get me wrong. The squad has been superbly assembled and they really bounce off of each other: The weaknesses of one are compensated for by the strengths of the other. However, for all of that, people still expected (IMO rightly) Poch to be able to overcome a one point deficit over the months he has been PSG coach. The criticism of Pochettino may be overblown but its not unwarranted.
I think most people in here would be up in arms if we were judging a new manager joining mid-season, after just 24 league games, 2.26 points per game, a cup win and a CL semi final.
I’ll judge him on next season, when he’s had a chance to tweak his squad. Hell, even Pep needed a couple of transfer windows at Citeh. If he’s floundering by December, then questions should be asked. Asking them now without a single tweak to his squad or pre-season seems a little desperate.
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The problem for me is that even if you expect PSG to win, this season it should have been a marginal victory. People are overstating the gap and that's only due to Amadeus hurting them really bad which is frankly ridiculous. Also it's incredible to see people shit of Ligue 1 every seasons and when three teams improve at the same time, they are still shat on and ridiculed just to have a pop at PSG and Pochettino.
Really? If our biggest rival was Lille and we failed to to claw back a 1 point deficit then I'd expect it to be a pretty toxic atmosphere. I know we have posters here inexplicably trying to claim thier squad is in some way close to PSG's, but we all know that isn't remotely true. Remember, this is a team that's won 7 of the last 8 titles (only losing to a Monaco side that was head and shoulders above anyone else currently playing in Ligue 1), finished last season 12 points clear and got to the CL final. It's not as if he took over a team in a mess, again, despite the absurd claims of others. The board and the fans would've fully expected to win the league this season when they appointed him. They wouldn't have thought 2nd place would be an acceptable finish then, as it isn't now. Poch deserves some criticism for that. That's not to say they should sack him now by the way, but he shouldn't be absolved of all blame either.
Where were PSG in the table when Tuchel left?
I think two managers with good records getting a similar points per game total, the new one doing slightly better tells you and the board that they have tunnelvision on the quality of that team.
feck me, I thought but for a Fred Red, we were much better than them over 180 minutes.
As I say, Pep needed to tweak and tweak, and judging a manager who took over mid-season and has had no chance to even slightly shape the squad seems, well, desperate.
2.26 points per game is what Pep just managed for 2020-2021 by the way, so yes the league is easier with less quality, but I can’t look at that points per game, a cup win and a CL semi and come to any other conclusion than he needs a Summer to make his own tweaks before being judged.
Also, in 2018/19, the last full season before this, PSG won the title with 2.39* points per game. The idea he’s done shit by managing 2.26 and is getting huge criticism is way way overblown. *No manager is taking that squad as it is today and getting it to 2018/19 levels, it needs tweaks, pure and simple.
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3rd. One point up to Lille and Lyon.
The 17th round was Tuchel’s last. So so poor how Pochettino and PSG couldn’t catch up on that microscopic lead.
One of those managers had led that very same team to a comfortable margin at the top of the league and a european cup final 4 months prior, and that was while having to operate in the shadow of the owners who were looking for reasons to sack him.
I agree. I also think if a manager came in and couldn't surpass that Lille squad with genuine world class talent in our squad, there we would rightly be criticism of him.
Why would it be desperate? What am I deserved to do exactly?
Are we pretending the 2020-2021 team has the same quality as the 2019-2020 side?
Remember, in 2018-19, with Silva at the back and Cavani banging in 21 league goals, they managed just 0.13 more points per game than Poch managed.
As I say, there seems a desperation to judge him on a bit part season, where the stats actual say he did “ok” & better than his predecessor. Better to see how his side looks after he has a Summer window and pre season with them, hopefully they are fecking wank and we can all laugh our heads off when they sack him in November.
Yeah it looks bad on Poch, and I'm not really going to defend him because I honestly couldn't care less about him so why would I? But it's clear to me that PSG are not as good as people say. Look beyond the star names of Neymar and Mbappe and there's not much else. People like Di Maria and Verratti are not as good as they once were (the latter is a sicknote anyway). Marquinhos is their only other player of real quality. The rest of the team is very average, so when you combine that with the fact the club as a whole is clearly desperate for the Champions League, you start to see why a team like this could be complacent and throw away a league win to another solid, and more importantly fully motivated side.
0.13 points per game is quite a lot when ou extrapolate it over a season btw. 5 points at the top of the table is mostly the difference between a title challenge and the title itself
Poch, Tuchel or whoever, it’s no good having a team full of superstars if they act like spoilt, couldn’t give a feck, arseholes.
All better than what Lille had. Poch got outmanaged by a manager of a lesser side. Plain and simple.
Yes, I’d say it’s the difference between having Cavani up top and Silva leading the side weirdly enough.
People are nuts if they expected this PSG side to match that PsG side. PsG are nuts if they think a new manager alone with fix it.
You can add a significantly better Di Maria.
PSG aren't full of superstars. They have two of them and it's the last players that could be described as not giving a feck.
A lesson for those who thought replacing Solskjaer with a manager like Poch (or Ancelotti, Rodgers, Hassenhuttl or other flavour of the month) mid season would turn our fortunes around and get us challenging City. It's never that simple.
It’s weird this one, we all know PSG were a much better side in 2018-19 yet managed 2.39 points per game, if Poch somehow managed to make this lesser team as good as that one, they’d have gained a massive 3 points more during his time in charge. But we know they aren’t that good, not close.
I say credit to Lille who had an incredible season.
Fair point.
Probably not much to do with him but his "fanbase" at The Caf which use him as a stick to beat Ole with at every opportunity
It's basically the first 2 games they lost after no pre season like us. It had them on catch up from the start.
Crap post. Bringing Sir Alex into it. Nice complex
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