Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[anant]

It'd be stupid of him to join the current Spurs side. This time expectations would be much higher and if we're being honest the side is in sort of a mess.

I also believe it was stupid of him to join PSG in the first place especially as jobs at RM, barca, Juve were all going to be available. Joining PSG for an manager of his type - highly rated but never won anything - is a no-win scenario. Win the league and you did something that is expected and nothing extraordinary, lose and your stock goes down a lot

 

[Champ]

The amount of people on here asking for his head to justify their belief in our second-rate manager is hilarious.

He may not have had the best of seasons but he did come in halfway through, plus anyone with eyes can see that PSG has some world-class attacking players but their defence and midfield is pretty ordinary.

Finally, I can't even be bothered to quote the guy above that said 86 points won't be enough to win any big league - try PL and La Liga.

He came in when PSG were a point away from top,
He led them to second place with a team which should be walking that league.

Are PSGs defence any worse than Lille's for example?

People on this forum love Poch, yet again this season he has offered nothing to justify the praise he gets.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Don’t think schedule alone is a reason for that. Inter still got 91 points in Serie A, Bayern got 78 in 34 games, Atletico got 86 and City got 86 as well despite poor start.

That’s the point, Poch points per game over a season is equal to Bayern, City and Atletico.

It’s just that Lille manage the same points per game over the period since Poch took over.

Let’s not forget that Pep managed just 78 points is his first FULL season at City despite having a pre-season and Summer window with his squad.

Once again you’re making the mistake of thinking that Lille were average or less than average when in fact they picked up points from Poch’s appointment that equalled league winners in multiple leagues. Lille picked up points at the rate of league winners, not shitty minnows.
Do the logical thing and judge Poch on how he does next season after he’s had his own summer, hopefully he’ll be dog shit.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He came in when PSG were a point away from top,
He led them to second place with a team which should be walking that league.

And Manchester City should be walking the league when Leicester City won it, it doesn’t work that way. Lille had a cracking season and from the time of Poch’s appointment picked up points at a rate that would have won the league in England and Spain.

 

[Sarni]

That’s the point, Poch points per game over a season is equal to Bayern, City and Atletico.

It’s just that Lille manage the same points per game over the period since Poch took over.

Let’s not forget that Pep managed just 78 points is his first FULL season at City despite having a pre-season and Summer window with his squad.

Once again you’re making the mistake of thinking that Lille were average or less than average when in fact they picked up points from Poch’s appointment that equalled league winners in multiple leagues. Lille picked up points at the rate of league winners, not shitty minnows.
Do the logical thing and judge Poch on how he does next season after he’s had his own summer, hopefully he’ll be dog shit.

There should be a much higher expectation for PSG than teams in the big leagues as there isn't another league in Europe where discrepancy in resources between the top team and the rest would be as huge as Ligue 1.

Pep's first season was a failure as well btw. I'm not really saying Poch will never be good there, he will win the league in his second season because virtually any half decent manager would with PSG, I'm just saying him failing to win the title this year was a big fail.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

That’s the point, Poch points per game over a season is equal to Bayern, City and Atletico.

It’s just that Lille manage the same points per game over the period since Poch took over.

Let’s not forget that Pep managed just 78 points is his first FULL season at City despite having a pre-season and Summer window with his squad.

Once again you’re making the mistake of thinking that Lille were average or less than average when in fact they picked up points from Poch’s appointment that equalled league winners in multiple leagues. Lille picked up points at the rate of league winners, not shitty minnows.
Do the logical thing and judge Poch on how he does next season after he’s had his own summer, hopefully he’ll be dog shit.

Your argument would be valid if it was any other league or any other club but PSG, when you have a front line with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe you should be playing better than he has. He has the lowest win % out of the last 4 managers there.

 

[Rightnr]

So let me get this straight. The geniuses who love OGS on here want Poch sacked after 6 months because he didn't win the league but are happy to give OGS 3 years to reach a final?

I rate him over OGS, sure, but the double standards and whataboutism are next level.

Some of you are pure hypocrites or worse, have higher expectations of PSG than of Man Utd.

 

[stevoc]

There is so many people with a chip on their shoulder in this thread, why? Its obvious they happen to be Ole fans that were personally insulted when someone else suggested that Poch is a better manager. These people are so jaded that they find Poch failing satisfying.

1. Lille had an incredible season for themselves.
2. PSG results improved after Tuchel left and Poch came in. You can't argue that coaches like Ole, Klopp (first few seasons at liverpool), Mourinho require time and then turn around and say half a season is enough for Poch. Either paint them with the same brush or don't. Its up to you. But it only highlights your bias. Revisit this half way through next season when it has been 1 full year at the club to see if the team is playing better or worse and whether results are improving further or not. That is what a logical person would do.

An an aside just for me personally, this PSG squad is terrible lobsided. To accomodate paying huge money for Neymar and Mbappe, they have some real average players elsewhere. That will work in Ligue 1 but they arent getting away with that in the Champions League. It isnt basketball where you can have 2 amazing players that can win you everything just by themselves.

Where were they in the table when Tuch got sacked?

They ended up in 2nd a point behind Lille under Pochettino.

 

[antk]

There are two (seemingly opposite) POVs that I disagree with in this thread:

• Poch's PSG's had a decent PPG return, so he may have done a good job anyway - this could be argued, as you can't expect any team to sustain the kind of dominance year in - year out that PSG has had the last few years over the ligue. However, it's also a way to forgive a very mediocre level of play, that has barely evolved over the year, despite the managerial change. PSG has had a disproportionate amount of bad results because they were simply not good enough, and they had not relied so much on individual brillance to save points since the first season of Ibra back when QSI arrived. Their defensive form and structure have been abysmal the whole season (in the league), and they've been outplayed by almost all their major opponents at least once this year, including Marseille.
• PSG's squad is mediocre beyond Neymar and Mbappé - disregarding the obvious WC talents such as Verratti (which Poch as struggled with positionally all season, arguably reducing his influence and the team's balance), it doesn't stand the basic observation of their players' performances over the years. Navas has been one of the best keepers in the world over the last decade, Marquinhos is an absolute WC defender that has never looked ridiculous alongside T. Silva of all people, and Kimpembé has produced many WC performances himself, most notably during last year's CL, even if he's lacked the consistency this far in his career. They have multiple very high-level options in attack, even if most have underperformed this year (Icardi, Sarrabia after Tuchel's departure), have been inconsistent (Di Maria, Kean after COVID-19 which put a stop to a very impressive run) or just don't seem to give a feck (Draxler).
  They have two glaring weaknesses - their fullbacks, of which NONE (except Bernat that seems like playing 3 games per year) is near the required level of a top team in France, least of all Europe, and their central midfield partnerships for lacking pure quality, with too many serviceable players (that would still be very desirable rotation options in almost any team in the world, including United, like Paredes and Gueye). However, their midfield is in no shape of form inferior in terms of personnel to those of their opponents in Ligue 1, and they've proven in multiple elite games this year that they were able to compete tactically and technically in the center of the field as a team.

We shouldn't forget either that we're talking about a team that played Barcelona out of the park at the Nou Camp, produced two of the best matches of the season against Bayern (dominating the return leg, even if arguably they could have been blown out in the first one), and had an absolutely mindblowing first half against City in the first leg, before getting shut down by both a tactical masterclass by Pep and two stupid goals. This is a team that is able to perform at a top-of-the-world level and we know it because they've done it. From this POV, it's concerning that they/Poch haven't achieved more quality week-in week-out.

Either way, this is a COVID and post-COVID season and we're probably reading too much into the performances of all teams across Europe. As a personal opinion, I've felt like the general level of play (and energy) across all five top leagues has been rather low, except maybe in England but that may be disguised by the sheer level of competition this year.

 

[stevoc]

So let me get this straight. The geniuses who love OGS on here want Poch sacked after 6 months because he didn't win the league but are happy to give OGS 3 years to reach a final?

I rate him over OGS, sure, but the double standards and whataboutism are next level.

Some of you are pure hypocrites or worse, have higher expectations of PSG than of Man Utd.

To be fair if Sols took over that PSG side most people would expect him to win the french league also.

 

[OleBoiii]

I doubt that it's true, but just in case: the only way he would consider this is if he's already effectively fired or completely has lost the dressing room. In which case: hilarious.

He's been given a golden ticket with this PSG job. It's a shite excuse in the case of PSG, but he could technically blame his league failure on the fact that he took over mid season. Any manager worth his salt will win the league with PSG. Unless his confidence is completely shattered, he must believe that next season will be a walk in the park. Also, his team is still probably among the 4-5 top favorites to win the CL.

Considering all this: why on earth would he go back to a Tottenham in free fall? It would be a step down and probably bad for his career as well. Tuchel got fired from PSG and still got the Chelsea job. Pochettino will surely not aim any lower than this.

 

[cyberman]

So let me get this straight. The geniuses who love OGS on here want Poch sacked after 6 months because he didn't win the league but are happy to give OGS 3 years to reach a final?

I rate him over OGS, sure, but the double standards and whataboutism are next level.

Some of you are pure hypocrites or worse, have higher expectations of PSG than of Man Utd.

Yes. More people have higher expectations of PSG winning their league. Beating City and Liverpool to a title is different than losing out to Lille.

 

[OleBoiii]

To be fair if Sols took over that PSG side most people would expect him to win the french league also.

I'd expect any professional manager to win the league with this PSG team. Even under the mid season circumstances. 1 point off the top with half the season left to play is nothing when your team is so insanely stronger than the rest. Even if they were 5-6 points behind I'd expect them to catch Lille.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I doubt that it's true, but just in case: the only way he would consider this is if he's already effectively fired or completely has lost the dressing. In which case: hilarious.

He's been given a golden ticket with this PSG job. It's a shite excuse in the case of PSG, but he could technically blame his league failure on the fact that he took over mid season. Any manager worth his salt will win the league with PSG. Unless his confidence is completely shattered, he must believe that next season will be a walk in the park. Also, his team is still probably among the 4-5 top favorites to win the CL.

Considering all this: why on earth would he go back to a Tottenham in free fall? It would be a step down and probably bad for his career as well. Tuchel got fired from PSG and still got the Chelsea job. Pochettino will surely not aim any lower than this.

While I dont agree he will be back next season or any time soon, I believe he will be back at some point.

 

[JPRouve]

Where were they in the table when Tuch got sacked?

They ended up in 2nd a point behind Lille under Pochettino.

They were 3rd behind Lille and Lyon.

 

[awop]

Or he gets sacked midway through the season and his reputation is gone. At Spurs he would have 2 or 3 years for the rebuild.

Your reputation isn't gone when you get sacked from PSG because everybody knows it's a nightmare to manage and the only thing they care about is the CL. The next 2 or 3 years for Spurs is going to be a horrible job with a limited budget and no real star player. That would be a dumb move.

Try his best in CL???
That's not good enough for PSG. He will get sacked mid-season if they get knocked out.

That's all you can do though, try. You may have Mbappe and Neymar, you still have to beat 4 or 5 great clubs to win it. Look at what they did this year and it still wasn't enough !

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

They were 3rd behind Lille and Lyon.

One point behind both.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Your argument would be valid if it was any other league or any other club but PSG, when you have a front line with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe you should be playing better than he has. He has the lowest win % out of the last 4 managers there.

He has a higher win % this season with this PsG team (with not one of his own players) than Tuchel did.

Comparing him with managers who made a few signings of their own had full seasons and full preseasons to work with their team is another case of jumping the gun. You all clearly know the logical thing is to let him have a preseason, make a couple of his own signings, and then see how he does next season before judging him.

As I say I’m hopeful that he finishes second again and again and again, but I expect that’s not going to happen.

 

[el3mel]

That’s the point, Poch points per game over a season is equal to Bayern, City and Atletico.

It’s just that Lille manage the same points per game over the period since Poch took over.

Let’s not forget that Pep managed just 78 points is his first FULL season at City despite having a pre-season and Summer window with his squad.

Once again you’re making the mistake of thinking that Lille were average or less than average when in fact they picked up points from Poch’s appointment that equalled league winners in multiple leagues. Lille picked up points at the rate of league winners, not shitty minnows.
Do the logical thing and judge Poch on how he does next season after he’s had his own summer, hopefully he’ll be dog shit.

The amount of disrespect Lille is getting here is fecking ridiculous. No one wants to give them any credit for winning the league. No it's all due to Poch and PSG being shit and nothing else.

 

[shaky]

So let me get this straight. The geniuses who love OGS on here want Poch sacked after 6 months because he didn't win the league but are happy to give OGS 3 years to reach a final?

I rate him over OGS, sure, but the double standards and whataboutism are next level.

Some of you are pure hypocrites or worse, have higher expectations of PSG than of Man Utd.

If Utd were in a league with Lille and Lyon as their main challengers, as opposed to City and Liverpool, then I'd imagine expectations of the supporters would be slightly different. If PSG had gone for years without winning the French league, and were top 4 underdogs from the start of the season, maybe Poch would be getting a deserved pat on the back for making 2nd.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

He has a higher win % this season with this PsG team (with not one of his own players) than Tuchel did.

Comparing him with managers who made a few signings of their own had full seasons and full preseasons to work with their team is another case of jumping the gun. You all clearly know the logical thing is to let him have a preseason, make a couple of his own signings, and then see how he does next season before judging him.

As I say I’m hopeful that he finishes second again and again and again, but I expect that’s not going to happen.

He has Neymar and Mbappe, I watched some of the games and the comparison to how he was with us is blatant. No doubt he will win the league, I would hope he does next season, but this season was down to his obsession with possession. Not one shot on target in a CL semi final is shocking.

 

[Mr Smith]

Your argument would be valid if it was any other league or any other club but PSG, when you have a front line with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe you should be playing better than he has. He has the lowest win % out of the last 4 managers there.

Look I'm playing devils advocate, but half a season is a very small sample size. Really surprised people are rushing to judgement this quickly; its very difficult to get ideas across as a manager when you come in halfway through a season. Lets check back in again in 12 months.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Look I'm playing devils advocate, but half a season is a very small sample size. Really surprised people are rushing to judgement this quickly; its very difficult to get ideas across as a manager when you come in halfway through a season. Lets check back in again in 12 months.

This "getting your ideas across" when you are in a semi final in the last 15 mins its not about ideas, its about grabbing the most talented players on the planet and simply saying "go out there and do something". Fergie himself said something along the same lines in his recent interview, control of the ball is meaningless when a result is needed, you do what you can to get that result.

 

[Wolf1992]

There should be a much higher expectation for PSG than teams in the big leagues as there isn't another league in Europe where discrepancy in resources between the top team and the rest would be as huge as Ligue 1.

Well, if we pretend Portugal,Netherlands, Scotland, and don't exist...probably yes.

 

[Sarni]

Well, if we pretend Portugal,Netherlands, Scotland, and don't exist...probably yes.

But even in those leagues you have a second (and possibly third) club with comparable resources. Porto, Benfica and Sporting, Ajax and PSV (Feyenoord too), Celtic and Rangers. PSG are well above anyone else.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

But even in those leagues you have a second (and possibly third) club with comparable resources. Porto, Benfica and Sporting, Ajax and PSV (Feyenoord too), Celtic and Rangers. PSG are well above anyone else.

As are City in fairness.

 

[Mainoldo]

I like how people have found their ‘Top Manager’ standards in this thread.

 

[He'sRaldo]

So let me get this straight. The geniuses who love OGS on here want Poch sacked after 6 months because he didn't win the league but are happy to give OGS 3 years to reach a final?

I rate him over OGS, sure, but the double standards and whataboutism are next level.

Some of you are pure hypocrites or worse, have higher expectations of PSG than of Man Utd.

Discussions these days are all narratives and bias. It's quite tiring, I don't remember it being this bad before.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Discussions these days are all narratives and bias. It's quite tiring, I don't remember it being this bad before.

When you go into a discussion with that pre conceived opinion I suppose everything looks like narratives and bias.

I’ve been accused of narrative and bias when in truth I couldn’t give two shits

 

[Amadaeus]

at all the people that quoted me. Pochettino failed to win because Tuchel was underperforming and his philosophy hasn’t been fully implemented. Pochettino will win the league next season.

 

[V.O.]

at all the people that quoted me. Pochettino failed to win because Tuchel was underperforming. Pochettino will win the league next season.

Wait, weren't you supposed to be a United fan or have you just completely abandoned that pretence now?

 

[adexkola]

Discussions these days are all narratives and bias. It's quite tiring, I don't remember it being this bad before.

Very.

The football forum at least used to be free of that nonsense.

 

[FootballHQ]

That’s the point, Poch points per game over a season is equal to Bayern, City and Atletico.

It’s just that Lille manage the same points per game over the period since Poch took over.

Let’s not forget that Pep managed just 78 points is his first FULL season at City despite having a pre-season and Summer window with his squad.

Once again you’re making the mistake of thinking that Lille were average or less than average when in fact they picked up points from Poch’s appointment that equalled league winners in multiple leagues. Lille picked up points at the rate of league winners, not shitty minnows.
Do the logical thing and judge Poch on how he does next season after he’s had his own summer, hopefully he’ll be dog shit.

Didn't PSG basically put out a joke line up for first 3-4 games given half their squad had covid and they had to start french league a week after playing CL final.

Start of the season cost them the league imo.

In any case I'd be surprised if Poch got sacked. Ancelotti didn't win the league in similar circumstances in 11/12 and Emery lost out in 2017 to Monaco and both got the next season, it's generally more two strikes at CL and then you're out so think same will apply to Poch and he obviously has to win the league aswell.

 

[Amadaeus]

Wait, weren't you supposed to be a United fan or have you just completely abandoned that pretence now?

I m a United fan, but our standard has dropped that I don’t recognize this United as the Manchester United I grew up supporting

 

[V.O.]

I m a United fan, but our standard has dropped that I don’t recognize this United as the Manchester United I grew up supporting

A United fan who disappears for weeks the second an opposition manager he inexplicably worships at the feet of loses a CL semi-final... and returns literally 5 minutes after United lose a cup final shootout to gloat and use said oppositions manager's arse as a nosebag some more?

 

[MattofManchester]

Ignoring the growing Warzone again, I'm pretty sure the bottom line for any manager coming in to PSG at the moment was the UCL. I think Ligue 1 has become fairly irrelevant to PSG.

Which he failed to progress in. Therefore it's on to the next manager to have a go, I imagine.

 

[Amadaeus]

A United fan who disappears for weeks the second an opposition manager he inexplicably worships at the feet of loses a CL semi-final... and returns literally 5 minutes after United lose a cup final shootout to gloat and use said oppositions manager's arse as a nosebag some more?

Pochettino Psg outplayed pep guardiola and force pep team to do something that most team has never done. Let him play on the counter. I didn’t disappear because of that, and i returned because this was United most important game of the season, yet we disappointed.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Ignoring the growing Warzone again, I'm pretty sure the bottom line for any manager coming in to PSG at the moment was the UCL. I think Ligue 1 has become fairly irrelevant to PSG.

Which he failed to progress in. Therefore it's on to the next manager to have a go, I imagine.

Nar, they aren’t stupid, expecting to progress from last season with a clearly weaker squad is idiocy.
They’ll strengthen in the Summer with some input from Poch, and then expectations will rightfully be sky high again.

 

[stampedingviking]

at all the people that quoted me. Pochettino failed to win because Tuchel was underperforming and his philosophy hasn’t been fully implemented. Pochettino will win the league next season.

Your wonderful hero could still only perform at the same leve as Lille, though. With that team, he should he passed them easily.

 

[MattofManchester]

Nar, they aren’t stupid, expecting to progress from last season with a clearly weaker squad is idiocy.
They’ll strengthen in the Summer with some input from Poch, and then expectations will rightfully be sky high again.

PSG's board may not be, but the expectations of certain players they are trying to keep happy may be.