Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[LawCharltonBest]

How does it work if PSG don’t let Pochettino go?

Like, can they actually block it mid-season? Or does that just mean United have to buy out his contract if they want him?

Sorry if it’s been answered already

 

[Van Piorsing]

Ok. For those that are looking forward to Pochettino on the basis of his high line/high press, I asked the Spurs fans on Reddit about it.

The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.

So from what they're writing, Poch's not exactly a longer term appointment than typical three years.

Perhaps if he could get deeper squad in United he could somehow avoid that situation... still not sure about him, but at least he looks oriented on something other than overall chaos and players chasing ball without bigger purpose.

 

[2 man midfield]

How does it work if PSG don’t let Pochettino go?

Like, can they actually block it mid-season? Or does that just mean United have to buy out his contract if they want him?

Sorry if it’s been answered already

This is what I don’t get. Villa wanted Gerrard - they paid the money and got him. Nothing rangers could do about it.

But apparently PSG can? Could rangers have said no, but they needed the money?

 

[charlenefan]

How does it work if PSG don’t let Pochettino go?

Like, can they actually block it mid-season? Or does that just mean United have to buy out his contract if they want him?

Sorry if it’s been answered already

Yep hence the 10m price that's been quoted

Of course like any transfer the selling club can just say we're not selling him mid-season which appears to be what PSG have said

 

[Red Dreams]

He wants Jules Kounde and Kieran Trippier should he come here.
I like him already.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

The club have had a hard on for this guy for 3 years. He’s desperate to come here, PSG don’t want him and practically have a replacement in Zidane. If the board can’t make this happen very soon then this is a new level of incompetency.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Ok. For those that are looking forward to Pochettino on the basis of his high line/high press, I asked the Spurs fans on Reddit about it.

The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.

Given the squad depth we have now, that is something he can use as solution of the problem. I think apart from his Spurs full backs (Walker/Trippier/Davies/Rose), he couldn't rotate much at Spurs as their squad depth are much worse than ours. Although, we are still lacking quality depth in midfield and right back but that is something he can figure out if he is hired now to prepare for next summer transfer.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Sacking Ole will have a short term positive effect. Long term only a high press will bring results so we need Poch or ETH. It's that simple. It may not be enough given the Glazers but then again maybe it is. Without it we will never get anywhere.

With Zidane aiming for different challenge, it's probably inevitable we should finally go for someone... but it has to be done fully under football oriented conditions this time.

Manager & staff working on a football system and having clear path in clearing out players who will actively prevent us from achieving desireble shape. I'm sure the board should understand that as Premier League is hardest competition in decades with so many opponents creating their own style and systems in merciless manner.

 

[Heinzesight]

I remember speaking to a journalist (friend of a friend ) before Solskjaer was made permanent and he was adamant Poch had some sort of pre-contract agreement with us for that summer. I’ve no idea if this is even a thing but if true then it could quicken things up slightly if we go balls deep on him.

 

[charlenefan]

I remember speaking to a journalist (friend of a friend ) before Solskjaer was made permanent and he was adamant Poch had some sort of pre-contract agreement with us for that summer. I’ve no idea if this is even a thing but if true then it could quicken things up slightly if we go balls deep on him.

It was clear to everyone we wanted him when we sacked Jose then Ed and co blew their load early and gave Ole the full time gig based on his interim run

I mean I guess him being a long term target is a little reassuring that they do have some semblance of a plan even if it is one simply drawn up on the back of a matchbox

 

[Cassidy]

He wants Jules Kounde and Kieran Trippier should he come here.
I like him already.

Does he?
We have been linked with both quite a log whilst Ole was here…

Coincidence that HE wants to bring in both?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Yep hence the 10m price that's been quoted

Of course like any transfer the selling club can just say we're not selling him mid-season which appears to be what PSG have said

I always thought manager contract is bit different and you can actually buy their remaining year in their contract. Thus, I thought 10m price is how you buy the remaining of his contract.

 

[Gandalf]

Yep hence the 10m price that's been quoted

Of course like any transfer the selling club can just say we're not selling him mid-season which appears to be what PSG have said

I had always assumed that with Managers it works differently as they are not club owned assets in the way that players are. The fee is compensation and not a transfer fee and so if Poch says he is leaving there is really nothing PSG can do to stop him

 

[romufc]

I had always assumed that with Managers it works differently as they are not club owned assets in the way that players are. The fee is compensation and not a transfer fee and so if Poch says he is leaving there is really nothing PSG can do to stop him

I read somewhere today that a manager can't just resign, they have clauses in their contracts which would restrict them from joining another club.

 

[Spoony]

I think PSG would have no issue if Zidane was willing to join them. But your point seems correct, unless Pochettino throws a tantrum publicly I would be surprised to see PSG roll over and let him go while they get Valverde.

Is Zidane interested in the Paris job? I thought he was waiting for the national team job?

 

[charlenefan]

I always thought manager contract is bit different and you can actually buy their remaining year in their contract. Thus, I thought 10m price is how you buy the remaining of his contract.

Indeed but it seems the 'selling' club can still decline the offer

 

[Drifter]

"United HAVE held talks with him | Latest on Pochettino, Valverde & Man Utd's search for a manager

 

[Santoryo]

It was clear to everyone we wanted him when we sacked Jose then Ed and co blew their load early and gave Ole the full time gig based on his interim run

I mean I guess him being a long term target is a little reassuring that they do have some semblance of a plan even if it is one simply drawn up on the back of a matchbox

I never understood how Ed and co managed to blow up Poch's appointment and hired Ole full time. All they had to do was simply stick to the plan and make a decision at the end of the season. By then they'd have realized that Ole's purple patch was just new manager's bounce since results were absolutely horrible after his initial 11 or so games. No way would the board have given Ole the full time job had they waited and seen the totality of Ole's interim run.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I had always assumed that with Managers it works differently as they are not club owned assets in the way that players are. The fee is compensation and not a transfer fee and so if Poch says he is leaving there is really nothing PSG can do to stop him

He is still under contract, the club has to accept the resignation, now if Poch then simply refused to coach he would be in breech of his contract and could be taken to court. What is more than likely is he would be put on "gardening leave" till the end of his contract.

 

[charlenefan]

I never understood how Ed and co managed to blow up Poch's appointment and hired Ole full time. All they had to do was simply stick to the plan and make a decision at the end of the season. By then they'd have realized that Ole's purple patch was just new manager's bounce since results were absolutely horrible after his initial 11 or so games. No way would the board have given Ole the full time job had they waited and seen the totality of Ole's interim run.

Yep what can we say other than the obvious, they don't know what they're doing likewise giving Ole the extension in the summer

 

[JPRouve]

Is Zidane interested in the Paris job? I thought he was waiting for the national team job?

The solid source say that he isn't and that he is focused on the national team. But others are speculating otherwise.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

The club have had a hard on for this guy for 3 years. He’s desperate to come here, PSG don’t want him and practically have a replacement in Zidane. If the board can’t make this happen very soon then this is a new level of incompetency.

What if the board knows that too and thinks "why should we pay £10m when PSG want it as much as us?"

 

[Spoony]

The solid source say that he isn't and that he is focused on the national team. But others are speculating otherwise.

I think Poch would work better in our current structure than ten Hag, that said I prefer the Ajax gaffer.

 

[bond19821982]

I never understood how Ed and co managed to blow up Poch's appointment and hired Ole full time. All they had to do was simply stick to the plan and make a decision at the end of the season. By then they'd have realized that Ole's purple patch was just new manager's bounce since results were absolutely horrible after his initial 11 or so games. No way would the board have given Ole the full time job had they waited and seen the totality of Ole's interim run.

Remember we have had days of discussion here that it's premature to give Ole a full time contract before the season is over. Shows how incompetent our management is, when some random posters know better than our director.

 

[JPRouve]

I think Poch would work better in our current structure than ten Hag, that said I prefer the Ajax gaffer.

I think that I agree with that. Despite my doubts regarding Pochettino long term suitability, I do think that he is a safer immediate appointment, with him we can expect a high floor and until prove otherwise he isn't a lunatic that will purposely alienate executives and players.

 

[bond19821982]

I think Poch would work better in our current structure than ten Hag, that said I prefer the Ajax gaffer.

But the ceiling is high with Ten Hag. We know what Poch will do . With Ten Hag , it's Pep level of potential and that's what it makes it more interesting and exciting. He could very well be another average Dutch manager but if we hit the lottery, we would be set for a treat.

 

[Red Dreams]

Does he?
We have been linked with both quite a log whilst Ole was here…

Coincidence that HE wants to bring in both?

means he wants to get rid of the wank Maguire.

 

[VP89]

But the ceiling is high with Ten Hag. We know what Poch will do . With Ten Hag , it's Pep level of potential and that's what it makes it more interesting and exciting. He could very well be another average Dutch manager but if we hit the lottery, we would be set for a treat.

Can we stop chatting rubbish about Poch's ceiling? He's 49, a couple years younger than Ten Hag. He has a long career ahead of him and has high potential.

 

[Red Dreams]

I think Poch would work better in our current structure than ten Hag, that said I prefer the Ajax gaffer.

agree Spoons

 

[Gandalf]

He is still under contract, the club has to accept the resignation, now if Poch then simply refused to coach he would be in breech of his contract and could be taken to court. What is more than likely is he would be put on "gardening leave" till the end of his contract.

I am pretty sure this situation has occurred before and essentially a court case is a lose/lose for everyone involved. If a club takes this route the Court will ultimately find in their favour but set a compensation price and allow the Manager to switch clubs because to do anything else is a violation of labour laws. PSG won't waste their time with this and will just demand the maximum up front. PSG can refuse to discuss terms with United and at that point it is essentially up to Poch to force his way out which he may well be reluctant to do but if he does quit then PSG really have no alternative than to replace him and settle for compensation as the alternative is to continue without a Manager and turn the whole thing into a clown show.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

But the ceiling is high with Ten Hag. We know what Poch will do . With Ten Hag , it's Pep level of potential and that's what it makes it more interesting and exciting. He could very well be another average Dutch manager but if we hit the lottery, we would be set for a treat.

Need that 10 Hag in my life now.

 

[JPRouve]

Can we stop chatting rubbish about Poch's ceiling? He's 49, a couple years younger than Ten Hag. He has a long career ahead of him and has high potential.

Like every other domains what matter is experience, it's not as if managers have unlimited development. After 12 years you are most likely what you are, it's the same for everyone.

 

[VP89]

Like every other domains what matter is experience, it's not as if managers have unlimited development. After 12 years you are most likely what you are, it's the same for everyone.

So Poch's work at Spurs and Southampton would define his ceiling as a manager? I disagree.

 

[bond19821982]

Can we stop chatting rubbish about Poch's ceiling? He's 49, a couple years younger than Ten Hag. He has a long career ahead of him and has high potential.

Pleaae read again- no one said anything about Poch's potential. I have seen what Poch can do at Southampton, Spurs and PSG. We know what he can do with a team.

While in case of ETH, we have seen only an Ajax team. That too damn exciting , something which I have never seen in any of Pochs team . Yes Granted, it's only at Ajax but he needs a chance to prove it with someone else.

 

[JPRouve]

So Poch's work at Spurs and Southampton would define his ceiling as a manager? I disagree.

I don't think he improved significantly from his first year at Tottenham to the last, I don't think that he found solutions to the limitations of his system and he didn't adapt his system to the new players he had, I could give him the benefit of doubt if the same story didn't apply to PSG. His best season was 16/17 which is going to be 5 years ago.

 

[Santoryo]

But the ceiling is high with Ten Hag. We know what Poch will do . With Ten Hag , it's Pep level of potential and that's what it makes it more interesting and exciting. He could very well be another average Dutch manager but if we hit the lottery, we would be set for a treat.

Where does this narrative comes from? I mean can people at least elaborate on this bit since it gets brought up a lot but it's yet to be explained to people why Poch has reached his potential and has shown everything he has to show while Ten Hag is this guy with a ridiculously high ceiling compared to Poch. I mean is there anything substantial to prove that or at least explain it.

 

[Highfather_24]

If Poch cannot implement his style with PSG because he doesnt have the required players, wouldnt he run into the same problem at United? Would that mean we will play shit football until he can "rebuild" the squad again?

 

[VP89]

Pleaae read again- no one said anything about Poch's potential. I have seen what Poch can do at Southampton, Spurs and PSG. We know what he can do with a team.

While in case of ETH, we have seen only an Ajax team. That too damn exciting , something which I have never seen in any of Pochs team . Yes Granted, it's only at Ajax but he needs a chance to prove it with someone else.

You said you know Pochs ceiling, which just isnt true. His potential has not been realised so early in his career.

I don't think he improved significantly from his first year at Tottenham to the last, I don't think that he found solutions to the limitations of his system and he didn't adapt his system to the new players he had, I could give him the benefit of doubt if the same story didn't apply to PSG. His best season was 16/17 which is going to be 5 years ago.

We have different outlooks on it. I believe Poch did a fantastic job and overachieved. He would go to the highest ever PL finish one season, and then beat that record the following year. He made them established CL quality and displaced Arsenal when no one ever thought that would happen.

 

[Nickholas]

Can we stop chatting rubbish about Poch's ceiling? He's 49, a couple years younger than Ten Hag. He has a long career ahead of him and has high potential.

If Manchester United hadn't expressed and interest in Poch he might have got the sack in the next few games and you could have got him for free?

 

[Cascarino]

The weirdest thing about our attempts at pressing this season is that we seemed to choose the liverpool game as the perfect time to try out a high press

Yeah that was a really chaotic attempt. I’d like to know the conversations that led to it and what the plan was. The goal that came right at the start was a perfect example of how not to press, especially against a side like Liverpool

Ok. For those that are looking forward to Pochettino on the basis of his high line/high press, I asked the Spurs fans on Reddit about it.

The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.

Nah they’re mistaken (at least about the one season bit). It was a feature of his game for the majority of his tenure at Spurs. It was only in his final season that he moved away from it. I have a couple of theories as to why that was the case, but prior to that they were very much a high pressing side and the stats reflect this ( in the top few sides for possession won in the final third etc).

Outside of Europe I’ve not seen his PSG side play so I don’t really know how he sets up his team now. And I can’t predict what his approach would be at United if he does join, but focusing solely on his Tottenham time it was a mainstay of his game for the majority of his time there.