Not winning CL, simple as that.
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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They have been in the CL every year and either gotten through or nearly gotten through. They barely ever got through before he arrived.
They're firing him?
Being in the champs league is evidence of domestic league consistency. Not consistency in the tournament itself. He's got a 50% success rate of getting through the group stage.
Anyway it looks like he's coming and I'm excited by it. Feels good.
I am truly sorry for misleading you, I hope to use more appropriate language the next time I post in a thread you're in.
The context of that post was that some mid table teams even spent more than Spurs. Try again. Poch didn't achieve the high expectations at psg and neither did most other of their manager who managed there. Yet, those managers are doing well.I only have to go back to a post from the other day - something about Villa spending more during Pochs tenure time than Poch did at Spurs, this is false by the tune of circa £100m.
No 'mental gymnastics' needed there squire!
There's countless more similar throughout this thread.
It's funny how you consistently go on about how context needs to be taken into consideration when Poch and his 'accomplishments' are concerned, yet fail to deliver any context yourself when mentioning Ten Hag (ETH's transfer spending over his WHOLE tenure, thats 5 years at Ajax is less that of Benfica's last THREE transfer windows, yet Ajax were the underdogs), or Conte (picking up the pieces from Jose who failed to pick up the pieces of the rubble left by Poch!) Conte at least appears to be on the right track.
After your clarity at seeing Poch as a failure (again, Poch's own words), I feel you are running on fumes with this now, probably time to put it to bed for everyone's sakes I reckon.
That is your opinion, but getting to the semi finals, winning two domestic cup in his first half season, and about to walk the league, isn't a bad record. Even the overall performance, psg has played with a lot of swagger and have been failed by poor finishing and bad errors many times. Those records shows that they have been consistently good. May not be consistently exceptional, as the expectation is high, but any manager with such record will see that as a good accomplishment.
Is it to late to get Pochettino? I know we will have to pay higher to get him and united doesn't want to do it, but just as ex players and experts as stated already, he is the right guy.
Watching real Madrid toy with Chelsea at home and how psg made them look like a pub team, at their home just justifies how brilliant the guy is.
Watching real Madrid toy with Chelsea at home and how psg made them look like a pub team, at their home just justifies how brilliant the guy is.
He's so brilliant they're going to sack him?
They sacked tuchel, emeri and few other managers that went to do well. Psg is a circus club and also one of the hardest club to managed. Not surprised if he gets sacked. It is even best if he does because psg will only go downward next season without mbappe and an aging neymar and Messi. It is best he leave the circus now.
I agree, they're impossible to manage but where is Poch going to go next? Who hires a manager that hasn't won anything of note and doesn't regard domestic cup competitions as a priority? United were crying out for Pochettino all season and he's been leapfrogged by a bloke who's done less than he has
The pub team that eliminated PSG?
Hopefully yes.
Real madrid, Manchester city, Newcastle (I could see him making them the next city and be what pellegrini was to city), or perhaps even spurs(but I won't recommend it). Pochettino has a few trophies, but his accomplishments stands bigger than trophies especially with his experience at one of the toughest managerial job in football, getting them to the semi, breaking records at spurs, and his relationship with many top players will be enough for many top club to look at him.
That what happens when you make costly errors and not take chances.
Defending rigidly and getting the ball to Mbappe to counter is making a team look like a pub team now?
just say you didn't watch the game. That is better than posting that. Dominated in possession and significant amount of shot over real Madrid makes that argument so poor that it should be flagged. Even in the second leg, psg had more possession, however less shot, which the latter is understandable.Cool, how do you justify his meltdown and paralysis when Real Madrid took over the game or the fact they are out of every other competition besides Ligue 1, which he lost last season?
I didn't even say much of anything about Pochettino last season when they lost the league, because he came in half the season, even though his performances were subpar with the talent he had, I wanted to give him time. This is a year and a half now, and he's utterly failed. Without Mbappe, who is brilliant regardless of the manager, I'm not even sure they are winning Ligue 1 performing as they are. It is amusing to see you try to alter the reality to fit your narrative though. I hope Poch goes to United so I can see it on a regular basis.
MNM and lack of option on bench. Which sub would you had made if you are restricted from taking out MNM? And if you took one of them out, it would mean you lose the dressing room and their support?
Also tuchel is more to blame for the ligue 1 lost last season and that argument has been said many times in this thread already. You didn't say much because you know that Pochettino just got in, tuchel record before he got sacked was poor and lille was a very good side last season. It wouldn't make sense for you to blame poch for it and it seem now, you just want to jump on the bandwagon. A year and a half now and they got to the semi final, won multiple domestic cup, and about to walk the league. This is reality, not an alternative narrative. It is only an alternative narrative for those that despise Pochettino.
Well, I could have easily blamed Poch for how poor the side played together under him in that half a season. I don't know how his record compared to Tuchel during that season, but he didn't even get the usual 'new manager bounce' that you often see with a new manager. Tuchel had won far more in the time he was in charge than Pochettino, and he got them to the final, but his voice got stale perhaps and Leonardo did what Leonardo does, alienate managers.
As far as jumping on the bandwagon, that's called reality, it's the train you're missing on a daily basis with Pochettino.
I see your lying again
What you said was Aston Villa spent more than Spurs did whilst Poch was there.
That is wrong.
which proved my point entirely!Who's doing the 'mental gymnastics' now squire?
Anyhow, Poch is dead, long live ETH. Guess Poch killed himself when he called himself a failure.
All I’ve taken from this thread is Madrid are a pub team
Pochettino was an obvious choice when he peaked at Tottenham, even the disaster of a season afterwards didn’t change much In terms of his standing. His stint at PSG hasn’t really been all that impressive, not that it’s much of a surprise given the fact they’re in a farmers league and have a daft team. Meanwhile, Ten Hag is clearly on the way up and looks extremely promising. It really is an obvious choice to go for Ten Hag as the clear first choice.
Tuchel got them to the final, Pochettino got then to the semi final. 1 leg difference is hardly much. It is also fine that you didn't answer the question, I posed to the one you posed to me.
I stated middle table teams, there was no fabrication. If I mentioned villa, it was based of mixing them up with a different mid table team. The point stand that some mid table team spent more. Bring up the chart, because I don't want to waste my time with you and if a mid table team didn't spend more than Spurs then, then I would be lying.I see your lying again
What you said was Aston Villa spent more than Spurs did whilst Poch was there.
That is wrong.
Who's doing the 'mental gymnastics' now squire?
Anyhow, Poch is dead, long live ETH. Guess Poch killed himself when he called himself a failure.
Regardless, real madrid just beat Chelsea 3-1 at their home. Psg did much better and if it wasn't for errors and lack of proper finishing, they would have been facing chelsea.. psg made this real Madrid team look average, which was the point of this thread revival, yet not surprised that such a topic has shifted
Excellent post.
I'm baffled why folk are on arguing about Hag in Europe like he managing real Madrid and expected to be there and abouts, without factoring in the massive issue of him losing their best players and staying competitive.
Who they trying to convince here?
I think they've punched above their weight, but focusing on the champs league for ranking his coaching ability is just scraping the barrell at the moment.
We aren't even close to winning one at the moment so bizarre they would focus on that, like we literally ready to win one and he maybe hasn't shown the ability to win one yet with a team who haven't done anything in it for decades, bar when he took over them.
PSG did much better? Did they beat Real Madrid?
Chelsea ain't out yet.
You mentioned Aston Villa because you thought they'd spent more. They hadn't. You were incorrect, for the umpteenth time in this thread.
Anyhow, this is deviating from what this thread is about. Poch getting the sack.
Do you think he'll get the sack at the end of the season, after a season of failure (in his own words)?
People are too hard on Poch. What did Ancelloti achieve at Everton? Sweet FA. Did anybody think he wasn't a coach past his best? Now he is in a CL semi with a Real team in transition. What Poch did at Spurs was pretty impressive.
I'd prefer Ten Hag or Enrique but Poch wouldn't have been a bad choice at all.
I'd prefer Ten Hag or Enrique but Poch wouldn't have been a bad choice at all.
Getting to the semi finals means nothing. And what two domestic cups are you talking about? He won one cup in his first season, the French Cup. Surely you are not counting the French Charity Shield as a trophy?!?!
They'll win the league this year. That's two (proper) domestic trophies in 2 years. A very poor return for a coach with a massive financial advantage in that country.
Look at what his predecessors won and you'll see the truth. Blanc won 8 trophies in 3 years. Emery won 5 trophies in 2 years. Tuchel won 4 trophies in 2 years and nearly pulled off the quadruple. If you add the charity shield (as you hilariously want to do), then Blanc won 11, Emery won 7 and Tuchel won 6. And your guy had a better squad than all of them.
Poch is a nearly man, not a winner. And he'll be that until he clearly proves otherwise.
Your love in for Pochettino is bizarre.
If you don't love yourself, no one will.
I'm really sad that United won't end up getting him, now if PSG want to get rid of him they will have to pay.
PSG would be way smarter to build around him with good young players, letting him build for a couple of seasons with said players and then potentially put in a good challenge in Europe from there. Clearly buying the best players in the world for extortionate money every season isn’t working, surprised they keep trying it
Your club are loaded. I don't think the owners even care about the release fee, they're just trying to sound out Zidane first IMO.
would Spurs fans take him back after Conte leaves?
What does that make Hag’s semifinal feat with Ajax in 2019 then? One he lost at home to Pochetinnos Spurs may I add? It's the main reason he's got the United job, not his two Eridivisie titles, a league with less quality teams than ligue 1
Unfortunately that is not going to happen. There is another club in Paris (and potentially a third) that is possibly going to make the step up to Ligue 1, and I hope they focus on the fact that Paris is one of the most fertile cities for young talent. We have really talented youngsters that end up going elsewhere because PSG is just hollywood as hell right now to borrow Joakim Noah's saying, and Pochettino doesn't seem to have the power or credibility to change any of that. Now Xavi Simons and Edouard Michut who had to sit on the bench when PSG was up by 3 goals then 4 last game are hardly getting a chance, even though the league is already won pretty much and they are in their last year of contract and two of the brightest talent at positions that PSG could actually use reinforcements in.
The strategy you talk about is one the fans of PSG want, but not the owners unfortunately.
I don't understand the obsession PSG has with the PSG brand, they are clearly trying to build a brand and get fans outside of France...that explains why they chose the superstar approach, and not the young talent prospect.
They have all the money in the world, they don't need chinese,japanese,americans, malaysians, indians, etc buying PSG shirts to survive financially.
I can see PSG going for Lewandoski, Benzema, Neuer, VVD, etc once these players have no legs and are too old... and of course PSG board will expect them to win the CL on their own, despite being past their peak and old.
The City model is so much better. They spend obscene amounts of money too but its always on 22-26 year olds who would have fit in with any of their managers since 2010, and all of them work hard for the cause.
Where does poch go from here then? Seen as though we haven’t chosen him../ psg must be gutted, they thought we was going to get him which would result in them getting compensation and not having to buy out his contract… they’ve got a choice to make now to either give him another season or sack him. As if we was ever going to pay 15 mil or whatever it was they’d of wanted for him anyway. We’ve made the best choice by choosing ten Hag.
We won't know if Hag is the best choice until he demonstrates that in time. Maybe you're a seer?
If PSG sack Poch its possible Real could go for him seeing how unpredictable they are. Ancelloti however is doing a great job
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