Don't want Poch. Spurs association makes it a very obvious "no deal". If the owners are too stupid to understand that, looks like we're totally doomed. Atmosphere is going to be pure poison next season.
Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch
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Apparently Enrique is out of the process, he had too many demands.
If Pochettino goes there, he'll flop. Sometimes I don't understand managers and their lack of self awareness for what they are good at, what is suited to them.
Pochettino is a project manager to get a mid team punching above their weight, with a ceiling of never actually reaching the top. Chelsea don't need that. Chelsea need a manager/coach who can implement a top system to compete with top clubs for top honors, and who will be decisive with squad building as they need a big clear out. You can't be successful with a massive squad. You need depth, but it's a fine line to overkill where everyone is unhappy. Chelsea passed that line like 7-10 players ago.
Pochettino is good for Spurs, he'd be good for Brighton, for Newcastle up to a point, good for Dortmund, Leipzig, etc. That's not Chelsea.
Pochettino is a project manager to get a mid team punching above their weight, with a ceiling of never actually reaching the top. Chelsea don't need that. Chelsea need a manager/coach who can implement a top system to compete with top clubs for top honors, and who will be decisive with squad building as they need a big clear out. You can't be successful with a massive squad. You need depth, but it's a fine line to overkill where everyone is unhappy. Chelsea passed that line like 7-10 players ago.
Pochettino is good for Spurs, he'd be good for Brighton, for Newcastle up to a point, good for Dortmund, Leipzig, etc. That's not Chelsea.
Reeks of Woodward missing out on Klopp and Pep (to a lesser degree) and just completely missing the point on what those coaches wanted, missing the point on what top clubs need or should have to operate smoothly.
Would be a bad appointment, so fingers crossed it happens. In Todd we trust.
They should just get Conte
I dunno, that sort of is Chelsea at the moment. They're a mid table performing team that have young talent that suggests they should be better, but they aren't.
So really it's a team at the very start of a cycle, and they'll either deliver on it or they won't, but they're definitely in the formative stages. Which to me is Poch's wheelhouse. You are right that he's not convinced that he can compete for top honours, but I would argue that Chelsea are probably a managerial contract away from competing for top honours if we're to be realistic. I don't think Enrique, or anybody else is going to circumvent that process easily. You have to completely build an ethos in the team, a structure, and then also work on the young players to fulfil their talent.
It may be that Poch is a fairly good man for this period, and then he either shows that he's more than a bridesmaid or he doesn't, but I'm fairly sure he should improve them. Then maybe they will need to someone to put the ball in the net in terms of league titles or competing for the CL if he shows he can't take that final step.
Chelsea are at that step yes but the expectations as a club are different, and that is where I don't think he'd ever line up. They had that with Potter... and sacked him. Yes he was doing shit. But that is also to be expected. Potter wasn't the right manager for them either. A project manager who hasn't really shown much more than punching above his weight at a smaller club (but not necessarily showing anything that they can actually step up to a big club), but needs time to do his thing, but where his thing still isn't good enough for what you want to be. That's Potter, that's Pochettino. Pochettino I think also is somebody who failed to adapt and had his burst 10 years ago with Southampton and he had stalled 5 years ago with Spurs - and it's been mostly downhill since then (though yes he fluked a CL final where they lost with a whimper). I don't think he's adapted since then, and is ultimately just one of those managers who had a good period but was unable to keep it up and adapt to even keep his level, let alone step up.
Chelsea, like United now and any club with aspirations of success, need to build a proactive system that can compete with the big teams. Luis Enrique or Nagelsmann or anyone else isn't going to circumvent that, but you need to hire the managers who have the capability to actually reach the top level to compete with the top clubs, and they tend to show fairly quickly why you give them time to stick around and build what they need. Ten Hag has shown that here. Arteta took longer and with a much different budget to the other top clubs but he also did win the FA Cup right away to be fair to him. Managers like Nagelsmann and Luis Enrique have shown they are top coaches who can implement elite systems, and tbh I felt Chelsea were going to bounce back next season and be top 4 competitors as I assumed they'd go for one of them 2. Getting neither is a huge miss step but also a sign of more incompetence from their board in terms of what they think is the right way forward, and smacks of Woodward-esque decisions. So I'm fully switched on "nah they're gonna be shit next season too", that is until they get an actual good manager in. That's the main thing for any football club. Just get a top manager who fits your club in terms of what you want to be.
I’ve seen some of there fans wanting mou back. When are they gonna let him go?
That is chelsea. There were a midtable club, that briefly (in terms of life of the club) had a rich owner that bought them success. But that phase is over. Same thing happened with Blackburn, but do we consider them the same category as clubs like United and Liverpool? No, once their rich owners left they became irrelevant, just like chelsea is becoming.
Well, as of now, they are still rich and their expectation is still to get back and compete at the top, and it'll take a while if they do revert to not being a top club. And they're more than capable of staying at the top, provided they have competent management which they currently do not.
I mean we're 8th in the "all time" table but we do have over 700 games in hand on 1st place.
https://www.worldfootball.net/alltime_table/eng-premier-league/
I will not be worried about Chelsea under Poch, so I hope they hire him
Poch was manager during the infamous Battle of the Bridge but I think he didn’t do anything that would have pissed off Chelsea fans, as I recall he was only playing peacemaker with his players? What say you Chelsea fans, do you have any dislike for Poch beyond his obvious Spurs history? It’s not the first time, although I guess technically Hoddle as a manager went the other way, from Chelsea to Spurs, but he was already a Spurs legend when he moved to Chelsea.
Chelsea weren’t a midtable club when Roman took over nor were they irrelevant before his arrival, that’s silly!
Maybe he would be perfect for Chelsea version 2023 then
Chelsea must be nuts to even consider Poch. He's like the worst possible option for them. He won't be able to handle all these spoiled personalities in the dressing room. They'll turn on him in no time.
Chelsea board are truly clueless.
Chelsea board are truly clueless.
I don't really think we have a firm idea of what the expectations are at Chelsea, at least from the club's perspective. It's a new Chelsea, after all. I don't think any comparison can be made with the Abramovich era. I don't think the former regime would ever have appointed Potter in the first place, and if they did something like that they certainly wouldn't have shown what I see as a degree of patience with him. I think there is some kind of hangover effect of what we see Chelsea as in the mind's eye, that may be quite removed from what they now are in terms of the strategic direction. The only thing we know with Boehly is that he has invested a lot and will want a return, but it's not neccessarily a return with the immediacy that the former owners expected. The fans may think differently, but I think the fans probably also realise they're in midtable and they're not shooting for major honours without some kind of interim period. I don't neccessarily buy that there isn't a way out of this relatively quickly as some claim, I think there's a definite way out with the right manager, but certainly there's a difference between that belief and going for major honours.
I don't think the issue with Potter was that he was a project manager, and therefore it disproves the idea that Poch would be a good choice. The problem with Potter is he couldn't buy a result and I don't think that was "expected" as you say. I think it was probably expected that he delivered an outcome that looked something like acceptable, i.e. at least competing towards Europe, not competing with the likes of Palace for a midtable berth and scoring no goals. It doesn't matter what the remit is, you have to show some indication you are moving a club forward to gain credibility that will allow you to see out a contract and deliver on that project. Whether that was because he is more suited to midtable clubs, well...maybe. But I don't think Tottenham are routinely a midtable club, and Pochettino had them moving towards a style of football and end results that would look pretty good for where Chelsea currently are, and analogies can be drawn in terms of working with developing players.
I agree with you that Enrique and Nagelsmann would possibly be top choices, I just don't think Pochettino is a bad one for where they're at either. To me Enrique and Nagelsmann also have some questions to answer. I see plenty of things one could question about them just as you can with Poch. Ultimately, Naglesmann has probably shown his lack of experience at big clubs by winding up the senior management there. Most of Enrique's success is tied to a very strong team, this is quite the different set of circumstances.
On current form that’s about 5 wins.
That's fair.
It's between Poch and Kompany according to the media. In other words, nothing to worry about.
I can't believe they didn't give the job to Enrique.
Wait, and then Poch instead? They are a little bit crazy.
Wait, and then Poch instead? They are a little bit crazy.
Im glad they are missing out on Enrique (and Nagelsmann to a lesser degree).
Poch taking over could be an utter dumpster fire although you could say that about anyone taking over.
Still have a feeling it will be Mourinho after Roma win the Europa League.
Poch taking over could be an utter dumpster fire although you could say that about anyone taking over.
Still have a feeling it will be Mourinho after Roma win the Europa League.
I'd be so happy if Poch goes there, means that we can count Chelsea out for the coming 1.5 years.
Is it that different to when he first went in at Spurs? You had likes of Adebayor and others causing chaos but he got them all out within 12 months and then Spurs massively improved.
Only issue with this is why didn't Chelsea just appoint him in September? Seems like he wasn't even in the running then or when they got Lampard in so I just assumed their hiring committee didn't rate him given he was a good fit based on location and previous premier league experience.
I didn't start watching football yesterday. They were a midtable club, upper midtable, flirting with CL, occasionally getting it, but a midtable club. Do you consider Leceister a top club? Or a midtable club that fluked a title?
Let's put it this way, if Roman didn't buy Chelsea do you think we'd even be having this conversation now?
You would have to go back to the 1995/1996 season for when they last finished midtable, it's been top 6 or better since then. They also won the FA Cup in 1997, the League Cup, Euro Cup Winners Cup and Super Cup in 1998, then the FA Cup again in 2000. I disagree with your statement that Chelsea were a midtable club when Abramovich took them over, that they were irrelevant before that or are becoming so again, and your follow up questions are a bit sprawling so I'll leave it there while respecting your right to a different opinion all the same, but please note I never even implied you started watching football yesterday.
What's the story with Zidane and Enrique, have they turned it down or have they not even been approached?
Just because Poch has been spoken to doesn't mean he'll get it really, he was interviewed for United job but missed out to ETH, still think Chelsea could go to Nagelsmann.
Boehly making more awesome decisions
No top manager is touching Chelsea at the moment.
Must confess I’d not have been fussed if they’d got Enrique, think people go a bit over board about him. He’s not a sure thing success, especially at this current Chelsea.
If Chelsea were smart they would go for the Celtic manager.
Proven record of improving teams and players as well as having teams play exciting football. Has done it through the years working his way up the levels. Not fashionable because of where he is from but has shown how good he is and players love playing for him.
Proven record of improving teams and players as well as having teams play exciting football. Has done it through the years working his way up the levels. Not fashionable because of where he is from but has shown how good he is and players love playing for him.
You're very respectful in your posting, it's nice, and I apologize, I didn't mean to suggest you said I started yesterday, I was just trying to clarify my opinions are based on following the league for a long time. I don't disagree they were a good club, that's why they were a candidate for the takeover. But I am more implying that they are not a club tradtionally considered a big club in England, ie United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa.
Never get this idea of being a “traditional” big club. Firstly it implies absolutely nothing but a moral victory, secondly how is that self declaration helped many of these “big” clubs in the present and lastly, since we are on the subject, would Arsenal have still been considered “big” if they weren’t promoted via corruption back in the day when they finished 5th? Would United be big if they didn’t benefit from match fixing to avoid relegation? Hard to say but the big boys club isn’t as perfect as everyone makes it out to be.
Poch would be an underwhelming appointment for Chelsea. They're in danger of slipping into irrelevance.
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