...no place for sentiment. If United continue with this meandering form, I foresee some serious corporate restructuring at the management and playing staff levels.
Maybe, the 1 good thing of having Glazer in charge
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I simply dont want SAF to be humilated in that way. If he gets sacked it would be a bad day for Manchester United and for us.
Glazer has to take some blame we needed at least two more players but we had no money to buy them!
Who said that Cantona? As long as I know both Gill and SAF had now hinted that Glazer is the best thing ever to hit Manchester United since Eric Cantona. If there is no money left then they should say it in public and put pressure on Glazer.
devilish said:
He's on a 1-year rolling contract. He won't get sacked. He'll just not be renewed. Could cite health reasons, wanting spend time with Jason, Cathy etc...
devilish said:
Lots of people said it, it was obvious we needed a central midfield player even Ferguson said that and that makes it obvious to me that Glazer would not provide the money for such a buy, i see so many positives in the side and for the sake of 15-20 million of well spent money we are lacking, things will only get worse too because without success means even less money for glazer to pay of those excessive loans
When the time would be right for SAF to leave his role I wish that he would remain as a football director or something of that kind. Ok he may not be cut for today's football (ive written may not!!!) but his experience is too valuable to be wasted.
On the other hand it would be great to see his brother's and his son's back once and for all.
On the other hand it would be great to see his brother's and his son's back once and for all.
devilish said:
Well said Dev, our predicament is hardly Fergies fault. In a proper league you can loose games, both Barca and Real lost last week ffs.
No shame in not winning the league when your up against Chelsea's resources.
CantonaVeron said:
well SAF had never said that there is no funds available for new players and if money is not available then no problem, we should have good scouts capable of signing good talent on cheap.
Ah I forgot. Those good old men capable of bringing the Oles, the Johnsens, the Schmickes and the Irwins are long gone. They had been replaced by Martin Ferguson.
Murt said:
Murt had raised a good point
I myself had critised SAF (and I am critising him in areas where I feel that need to be improved) but we have to understand the bar had been raised too high. I mean look at the Serie A. If AC Milan had gone to Inter in an away game and picked a point that would have been considered a success. Same thing for Real to pick a point at Deportivo away. Yet for us it was a failure to pick a point away at Liverpool. Why? Because Chelsea are too strong for everyone. No one, not even AC Milan, Real etc pride of having so much strength in depth and money.
Worst case scenario:
We win nothing at the end of the season and Glazers ditch our team... immediately sink into administration.
We win nothing at the end of the season and Glazers ditch our team... immediately sink into administration.
absolutely spot on.....CantonaVeron said:
No money = no players = no changes = no results = no trophies = no prize money = no money for fergie to spend....
And round and round we go.
Yes and the moment they do their P45s are on the doormat.devilish said:
I dont expect to compete with Chelsea over the course of a season - I do however think that ferguson has an obligation to pick the best eleven available to him every game.
The man is getting stubborn with age (more so) and does not learn by his incredibly repetative mistakes. I am truly grateful for the way he has served us but I am losing my faith in him.
The man is getting stubborn with age (more so) and does not learn by his incredibly repetative mistakes. I am truly grateful for the way he has served us but I am losing my faith in him.
And for the record, the title of this thread is UTTER bollocks.
There are no good points to having the GLazers in charge. END OF STORY...
There are no good points to having the GLazers in charge. END OF STORY...
i'm just curious as to whom we would've bought under the plc that we didn't get this summer.
beergod said:
no one we already sanctioned this seasons money on rooney an the stadium, unless gill was lyin about that aswell before the club was took over
Murt said:
if its not the managers fault as to how well the team plays who's is it? that is the most stupid comment ever made!!!!
as much as i love fergie its annoyin me that he doesnt seem bothered that were not playin well
if the club hadnt of been took over we would of still spent the same amount an bought the same players because the club had already spent their limited funds
also there is shame every time we dont win the league no matter who else is about ur talkin shit!
CantonaVeron said:
How do you know?
fredthered said:
veg said:no one we already sanctioned this seasons money on rooney an the stadium, unless gill was lyin about that aswell before the club was took over
Unless I am mistaken, when Gill said United had spent the money on Rooney, the club wasnt owned by the Glazers.
What the PLC said and did, has feck all to do with United now, so if there are no players coming in, its down to the GLazers NOT the PLC.
vijay said:
Well the fact they didnt buy anyone does tend to back that argument up.
fredthered said:
right but if u read the thread properly my comment was a reply to a question that said who would we buy if the Glazers hadnt took over, shall i repeat that last bit "WHO WOULD WE BUY IF THE GLAZERS (HADN'T!) TOOK OVER"
i thought i was bad with my dislexia
fredthered said:
Amen!
I dunno about not having money to buy players
I cant think of a player we missed out on in the summer
I think park and vds are terrific signings
I think marcus is right-fergie is in danger if we have a trophyless season
and to some extent he is responsible-taking 6 years to replace smikes with a half decent keeper was really poor
however this season fergie hasnt really done anything wrong (although I know nowt about formations) we've just been unlucky with injuries
I cant think of a player we missed out on in the summer
I think park and vds are terrific signings
I think marcus is right-fergie is in danger if we have a trophyless season
and to some extent he is responsible-taking 6 years to replace smikes with a half decent keeper was really poor
however this season fergie hasnt really done anything wrong (although I know nowt about formations) we've just been unlucky with injuries
fredthered said:Well the fact they didnt buy anyone does tend to back that argument up.
What if Fergie was'nt intrested in signing some one? Even when we had the cash and with many top class players moving around he was reluctant to sign a midfielder. Also nobody knows what really transpired between Fergie and Glazer.
When we were a PLC there an accountablity for every information that came out of the board but there is no credibility anymore.
vijay said:
mmmm...... that must of took some thinkin!
veg said:if its not the managers fault as to how well the team plays who's is it? that is the most stupid comment ever made!!!!
as much as i love fergie its annoyin me that he doesnt seem bothered that were not playin well
if the club hadnt of been took over we would of still spent the same amount an bought the same players because the club had already spent their limited funds
also there is shame every time we dont win the league no matter who else is about ur talkin shit!
1) we played well yesterday, created loads of chances so like you say we can thank Fergie for that. Our world class strikers inability to finish is hardly his fault.
2) i dont care if we loose the league to Chelsea if (and i think they will) they keep up the pace they have set.
3) you have no idea about how Fergie feels about our performances.
4) If youvwe fuch all sensible to say maybe you shouldnt speak
Murt said:
says you who cant even say it properly! im basing what i say on the interviews fergie gives, a few years ago after bad performances fergie would rant an rave and tell * what he thought of the performance, now he says they play well every game and just makes excuses, fair enough he's always made excuses but he wouldnt lie an say we played well when we hadnt and you could clearly see from his reactions that he was angry, i cant remember seein him angry after a bad performance.
you might be happy about finishing second, third or fourth but me personally want the team i support to win the league, every year if possible. i wouldnt support manchester united if i didnt want that, i would support city if i didnt care about not winnin the title
your comments are some what comical if chelsea finish bottom of the league would the russian twat sack the strikers or the manager? erm.........?
or what about if everton carry on playin shit would kenwright sell bent an beatie or get rid of moyes? erm.......?
or what about at newcastle if they carry on doin shit this season would souness get the sack or owen an shearer? dont really need to go any further
it may be our strikers who cant finish but they dont pick themselves, they dont choose where they play, and its not them who decides whether we buy a new striker or sell a striker either, unless im talkin shit there and thats no sense atall
Murt said:
You're basically right, but not completely. We had the same problem last year, we've had it yesterday when it cost us 3 points. If we continue to have it this season, who is to blame?
If there was a clear wrong and it was not made right, by different type of coaching or replacing players, then you do have to ask the manager questions.
veg said:
what a load of nonsence.
1)Fergie is famous for backing his players in public and hes often said weve played well when we obviously havnt. We played well yesterday so if hes said so hes right and all.
2) I want us to win the league every season, now like i did in the 80's, i didnt have to genuinely think we would though. This season Chelsea are looking too good in every dept. and their hardly going to be hit by suspensions or injuries like for example Newcastle were in the late 90's.
3) If Chelsea were to finish bottom of the league but had played extremely well but litteraly missed all their chances (averging 20/game) and scored 0 goals all season im sure MOurinho would sack the strikers first.
4) the fat that you reckon Souness and Fergie in the same breath is shocking, Souness should be sacked becasue he allways has and allways will be a useless manager. Fergie will not be sacked because he is one of the top managers in the world.
Is that something you would want?Marcus said:
Murt said:
have a read of the thread again you will see unless i take very very long breaths they were never mentioned in the same breath, not even in the same sentence or even the same paragraph, * will find if anythin * said the two names in the same breath, and you talk about fergie gettin sacked, that hasnt come from any of my comments, that is the last thing i want! i just want him to stick with the type of football he has done throughout his united career, the same mentality he inherited from the busby era.
dont put me in the same catogory as those who want him out, my point was an is simply who's fault is it when the team dont play well?
Shane Bluck said:
I want United free from the shackles of recent history. Yes, we were good, but now we have to move forward. Scholes and Giggs would not even be on the bench for United on their current forms (anybody want to differ?) if they were recent acquisitions. The only reason they still feature is that Fergie feels like he owes them for their years of good work.
If Fergie can't not let his emotions get the better of his team selection, yes, I think he should step down.
vijay said:
When we won nothing in 98 we spent 30 million, when we nothing in 2002 we spent 30 million and when we won nothing in 2004 we spent 30+ million Ferguson has a history of making big changes when we don't win things and this year even though he admitted himself we needed a midfield player we didn't get one
an even if you throw all that out because their bid and ultimate purchase was in the summer we couldn't make any major decissions until late in the summer anyway
CantonaVeron said:
This is bollocks. Fergie has mentioned several times in interviews that there was plenty of money available for the right player, but they couldn't get what they wanted.
For example, Fergie said he didin't bid for Vieria because he didn't think he'd leave. Then mentioned he didn't think Arsenal would sell to United. You can be sure Fergie had a figure of around £18-20M for that player.
So there certainly is money available.
The Wizard said:
How can you be sure he had a figure of £18-20 million is that because were at least £250+ milllion in debt (probably more like £500 million) or because we have to find £50+ million in loan repayments??? Ferguson is hardly likely to risk his job and come out and say he can't have any money, what did he say i have to protect my friends????
We have brought many players in, at a huge cost, and they have let us down.Marcus said:
The fault and blame lies with quality professionals who could not do the job, Mr Veron and Djemba Djemba were 2 great players, but failed to perform, SAF does not have a crystal ball, he cannot guarantee that a quality player will perform, and he has been let down by a few people, Scholes and Giggs are not people who have let him down.
If fergie said his dick tasted of chocolate would you sit and suck it.The Wizard said:
Fergie said he was against the Glazers getting hold of United, well his actions have really substantiated that point havent they....
What Fergie say, and the truth, nowadays are very rarely the same thing.
you're getting carried awayfredthered said:
less of the choc-dick talk and listen to yourself
what do you want fergie to do?
ignore his new bosses? become a utd martyr and quit? like any liscensed clown?