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Bob Loblaw said:
Now you're just trolling, but it still made me laugh.
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Without his goals, Messi has 20-odd assists, and you think that's comparable to Ronaldo's 50 goals?? :lol:
Pink Moon said:
The irony is that it's Ronaldo's goals that make the comparisons and debates even somewhat credible.
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The same regarding Messi's goals, without them he'd be a better Fabregas
cesc's_mullet said:
@Cal?

Care to explain, once and for all, why you believe Ronaldo is the best player again? Once again, despite all the evidence, overwhelming opinion and simple common sense confirming otherwise?
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You mean the fact that Ronaldo is the reigning WPOTY for 2 years now, he has scored more goals once again this season?
kouroux said:
You're also entitled to yours, regardless how many people will laugh at you. It's always funny how you react when someone says something you don't like about Ronaldo, this need of yours to defend him is special and not in the good way.
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Oh the irony how my comment has so many of you so upset. :lol:
 
Cal? said:
Oh the irony how my comment has so many of you so upset. :lol:
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I don't know about the others but I sure know about you and how you react everytime.

RedRonaldo said:
I have no problem hearing people saying Messi is a better player, or vice versa. But fact is each has their own strength and both are equally productive, effective, successful and pretty much unrivaled for many years already. I will leave thoses "who is better" opinion to the fanboys and others.
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Now this is how all true Ronaldo fans should react ;)
 
I don't understand why goals became such a decisive factor in these discussions. Must be because these two score bucket loads and so much more than everyone else. Which is a lousy excuse.

Between these two in particular it's even more absurd because the difference in the past 7 years is so negligible that it can be attributed to a myriad of external factors, and goalscoring per se (stats, not how and when they come) can virtually be ruled out of the equation on both sides for an analysis. Heck, even the bracketed part can probably be ruled out, given that both can score in any game, against any opponent, and in a variety of shapes and moments.

Don't remember previous debates ever revolving around that.
 
Arruda said:
I don't understand why goals became such a decisive factor in these discussions. Must be because these two score bucket loads and so much more than everyone else. Which is a lousy excuse.

Between these two in particular it's even more absurd because the difference in the past 7 years is so negligible that it can be attributed to a myriad of external factors.

Don't remember previous debates ever revolving around that.
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Yeah look, it's plain and simple to see that Messi is the better player this season but prizes like the golden boot and Ballon d'Or seem to be voted to the player with the highest goal score as seen sometimes in the past(Messi's 11/12 season).

It's not to say Messi can't overtake Ronaldo before the end of the season, it's definitely possible, I am just pointing out that Ronaldo currently has a higher goal tally(by four).
 
Goals are not the decisive reason. Otherwise, we wouldnt count players like Beckenbauer, Maradona etc. as some of the all time greats.
 
carlosp said:
Yeah look, it's plain and simple to see that Messi is the better player this season but prizes like the golden boot and Ballon d'Or seem to be voted to the player with the highest goal score as seen sometimes in the past(Messi's 11/12 season).
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Escobar said:
Goals are not the decisive reason. Otherwise, we wouldnt count players like Beckenbauer, Maradona etc. as some of the all time greats.
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For Ballon d'Or no, but La Liga's Golden Boot yes. And for the voters of the Ballon d'Or, goals might count in their reasoning when they vote. If somehow Ronaldo can go on to score close to 50 goals in La Liga before the end of the season, I see no reason why some might not consider him for the award.
 
carlosp said:
Just noticed that this is Ronaldo's highest goal tally in La Liga ever. Already ahead of last years tally and ahead of he's best ever season 12/13 score of 34.

http://www.scoreboard.com/player/ronaldo-cristiano/WGOY4FSt/

Messi has a way to go to reach his best La Liga tally of 50 goals from 11/12.

http://www.scoreboard.com/player/messi-lionel/vgOOdZbd/
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Ronaldo beat his 12 / 13 tally of 34 in 2010 - 11 with 40 goals and also in 2011 - 12 with 46 goals.

(All for La Liga only).
 
@Cal? you claim without the goals Messi would be a better Fabregas. What the hell would Ronaldo be without his? A better Wilfried Zaha?
 
Do you want to know something that's weird?

Well I was curious so I looked at the past five seasons including this one and the goals scored by both Messi and Ronaldo in La Liga. Messi has scored 189 goals in 164 games and Ronaldo has also scored 189 goals in 164 games.

What a coincidence! In the past five La Liga seasons they have played the exact number of games as each other scoring the exact number of goals.
 
Empire said:
Do you want to know something that's weird?

Well I was curious so I looked at the past five seasons including this one and the goals scored by both Messi and Ronaldo in La Liga. Messi has scored 189 goals in 164 games and Ronaldo has also scored 189 goals in 164 games.

What a coincidence! In the past five La Liga seasons they have played the exact number of games as each other scoring the exact number of goals.
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Crazy if true.

(What about assists?)
 
Snow said:
If Messi would try and play like Ronaldo he wouldn't come close to being as effective. They have different strengths and they make the most of them.

I don't think it's an unfair comparison. Not at all. At the end of the day, football is about scoring more goals than your opponent and no one is better than Ronaldo at scoring them. It's not like he's a one trick pony either. Left foot, right foot, free kicks, penalties, headers, outside the box. Doesn't matter. He's a threat in every facet of football. By saying it's unfair to compare him with Messi is saying that Messi is godlike. Whilst he's in my, and many other people's, opinion the best there ever was that doesn't mean you shouldn't compare them.

I always see it as a great compliment to Ronaldo's game to be able to be so close to Messi's level. The guy is just a model athlete all around. Takes great care of himself, works extremely hard and is by all accounts a very nice person off the pitch. He's made football a lot more interesting for us. Before those two there were endless Maradona v Pele debates but the two didn't even play at the same time. Now we've got two players at the same time being talked about as the greatest ever. Hardly insulting.
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Messi playing like Ronaldo would be a huge waste of his talent. And I don't find the right foot, left foot, free kick thing as impressive as some. I mean Messi does all those, and Ronaldo's free kicks are shockingly bad. Bale is much better at them but can't get a chance.

It might seem extreme, but I just think it's harsh to compare Messi to Ronaldo when one loiters with the sole purpose of boosting his own goal tally and the other contributes so much more to his overall team.

People love to pretend others are painting Ronaldo to be some sort of limited poacher, but truth is the way he plays now days he is a souped up Pippo Inzaghi, and for the high praise he gets I'd expect more. I just don't think he has to work anywhere near as hard for his goals, look at their goals reels and you'll see that. There used to be a crazy implication that it was somehow easier for Messi because everything was set up for him, which was ironic given the reverse is true, it's Ronaldo who's team mates will waste chances trying to pass to him instead of shooting on goal because they're scared he'll throw a tantrum.
 
Snake Plissken said:
Messi playing like Ronaldo would be a huge waste of his talent. And I don't find the right foot, left foot, free kick thing as impressive as some. I mean Messi does all those, and Ronaldo's free kicks are shockingly bad. Bale is much better at them but can't get a chance.

It might seem extreme, but I just think it's harsh to compare Messi to Ronaldo when one loiters with the sole purpose of boosting his own goal tally and the other contributes so much more to his overall team.

People love to pretend others are painting Ronaldo to be some sort of limited poacher, but truth is the way he plays now days he is a souped up Pippo Inzaghi, and for the high praise he gets I'd expect more. I just don't think he has to work anywhere near as hard for his goals, look at their goals reels and you'll see that. There used to be a crazy implication that it was somehow easier for Messi because everything was set up for him, which was ironic given the reverse is true, it's Ronaldo who's team mates will waste chances trying to pass to him instead of shooting on goal because they're scared he'll throw a tantrum.
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I'll guess I'll drop it then. You've already made your mind up about everything it seems.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Crazy if true.

(What about assists?)
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Since 2009/10 (in all club comps),

Cristiano: 290 games (272 starts), 301 goals (55/60 pens, 25 FKs), 80 assists -- 1.04 gpg (1.11 gps) / 0.28 apg (0.29 aps) [also 5 red cards and 1 og.]

Messi: 314 games (287 starts), 319 goals (39/49 pens, 15 FKs), 115 assists -- 1.02 gpg (1.11 gps) / 0.37 apg (0.40 aps) [no reds or og.'s]
 
Snow said:
I'll guess I'll drop it then. You've already made your mind up about everything it seems.
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it's an opinion based off of watching them both from the beginning of their careers until now. Don't let it offend you, it's fine to see it differently.
 
Cheesy said:
Young is clearly much better than both of these players. Don't know what you're on about with that comparison.
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Asked if Young deserves to be described in the same company as the Barcelona playmaker, and Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo, O'Neill replied: "Yes. In my opinion. I see a lot of games in Europe, I watch a lot of football, and you see a lot of players in the game who are very functional.
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He's wrong, though. Young shouldn't be in the same Kompany as Messi or Ronaldo. He's far better than both.
 
Skorenzy said:
Since 2009/10 (in all club comps),

Cristiano: 290 games (272 starts), 301 goals (55/60 pens, 25 FKs), 80 assists -- 1.04 gpg (1.11 gps) / 0.28 apg (0.29 aps) [also 5 red cards and 1 og.]

Messi: 314 games (287 starts), 319 goals (39/49 pens, 15 FKs), 115 assists -- 1.02 gpg (1.11 gps) / 0.37 apg (0.40 aps) [no reds or og.'s]
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So Cristiano has scored more freekicks than Messi? Unexpected considering the critique he gets for his.
 
Annahnomoss said:
So Cristiano has scored more freekicks than Messi? Unexpected considering the critique he gets for his.
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Not that much of a surprise. If there was a break down of season by season, you'd see (I expect) Cristiano's record to be much poorer now than it was when he first moved.
 
Ronaldo's free-kicks are embarrassing these days. In his first year at the club they were great.
 
Pink Moon said:
@Cal? you claim without the goals Messi would be a better Fabregas. What the hell would Ronaldo be without his? A better Wilfried Zaha?
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He does score loads, so that's a pointless argument. The fact is whoever said that Messi without the goals would still be better than Ronaldo made an absolutely ridiculous point.
 
Skorenzy said:
Since 2009/10 (in all club comps),

Cristiano: 290 games (272 starts), 301 goals (55/60 pens, 25 FKs), 80 assists -- 1.04 gpg (1.11 gps) / 0.28 apg (0.29 aps) [also 5 red cards and 1 og.]

Messi: 314 games (287 starts), 319 goals (39/49 pens, 15 FKs), 115 assists -- 1.02 gpg (1.11 gps) / 0.37 apg (0.40 aps) [no reds or og.'s]
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Has Ronaldo only made 35 assists less than Messi? Sounds like a huge difference but I thought Messi had about twice as many.
 
Snow said:
Has Ronaldo only made 35 assists less than Messi? Sounds like a huge difference but I thought Messi had about twice as many.
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Messi is probably more than twice as creative though. Probably the most creative footballer and the best passer around.
 
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