Mesut Özil
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Video shows how much he did afterall! Great stuff, despite not having dominated the games. But you can see how much that "well oiled machine" is also due to his passing and his movement off the ball. Very thankful for his performances and also for the defensive shift he put in in the final.
Five minute video compilations truly are the best way to come to a conclusion about a player's performance over 600+ minutes in seven matches.
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Aye, it's certainly convinced me of the error of my ways.
Isn't this creepy?
He was one of the main creators in one of the highest scoring teams in World Cup history and based on that video he was on the periphery of play for all but 3 of their goals. Impressive stuff.
No, its a coincideneIsn't this creepy?
i noticed right away the huge contrast between what sort of pressure ozil faced and what messi faced.
just look at the massive amount of space ozil has. nobody marks him, he gets the ball and is absolutely free to move into completely uncovered spaces with very very lax defenders. We all know Ozil doesn't work particularly hard at creating space for himself either.
some of the moments were good but i was completely unable to summon much flattery, i wasn't impressed by what i saw. it just looked all too easy for him to operate, not that he MADE it look so, but that it literally seemed so; too easy.
I think the massive workrate of Schweinsteiger and the energy of germany in moving the ball hugely relieved pressure off ozil and let him have far far far more freedom then a creative playmaker like him should have been allowed.
having watched this i think i have to go watch messi's games again to really analyse with a relativity point, how messi was being marked in every game, the contrast presented in that video is absolutely startling.
just look at the massive amount of space ozil has. nobody marks him, he gets the ball and is absolutely free to move into completely uncovered spaces with very very lax defenders. We all know Ozil doesn't work particularly hard at creating space for himself either.
some of the moments were good but i was completely unable to summon much flattery, i wasn't impressed by what i saw. it just looked all too easy for him to operate, not that he MADE it look so, but that it literally seemed so; too easy.
I think the massive workrate of Schweinsteiger and the energy of germany in moving the ball hugely relieved pressure off ozil and let him have far far far more freedom then a creative playmaker like him should have been allowed.
having watched this i think i have to go watch messi's games again to really analyse with a relativity point, how messi was being marked in every game, the contrast presented in that video is absolutely startling.
Feck they look like twins.
No one really knows that as far as I know. He's absolutely fantastic when it comes to off the ball movement and finding open space to receive the ball. He's constantly drifting around to do exactly that. You can criticise his workrate in defense, but saying he doesn't work to create space for himself is insane. That was always one of his standout traits. Not sure why you need to compare him with Messi, no one is claiming Özil played a better tournament or was heavily marked all the time. Özil wasn't the focal point in Germany's attack. He was mostly shifted on the wing to make room for a 3man midfield that ran the show in pretty much every game and he did a good job as an additional playmaker on the wing. That's it.
why not compare him to messi? the two playmakers of the two final teams. one was successful, the other wasn't. the scenarios and contexts of their perfomrances look totally different.
ozil doesn't work hard to make space generally.. that much is true. he's just a player that sort of phases in and out of games. whether that fact extends to this world cup.. i don't know and should've said so much.
I disagree. I'd say he needs more time on the ball than playmakers of his kind get in this era of high workrate/pressing, that's why he struggles against quality opposition when the intensity rises and he's not that good in tight spaces. It's not that he doesn't work hard to create the space, it's just that his skillset doesn't work as good if he doesn't find it despite constantly looking for it. Unless of course off the ball movement doesn't count in your definition of working hard, which doesn't make much sense in my opinion. Pretty sure Özil runs a lot more without the ball than Messi, while Messi happily receives the ball with someone marking him, because of his dribbling skills.
And Özil was nowhere near as important for Germany than Messi was for Argentina, so I still don't understand what you expect to learn from comparing their influence or how heavily they were marked in comparison to each other. In 2010 it would have made a lot of sense to compare them, in 2014 it really doesn't.
Ozil's main pb is that he lacks urgency when the pressure is high.
I wonder;
is he now the biggest star in the PL? 25 and already a crazy career so far. Fresh of a 2 trophy summer. World champion as a main player(and arguably Germanys most famous then).
Suarez left the league. Rooney has his struggles. Where do the PL fans stand on this? Would be great to know a few views. Thank.
is he now the biggest star in the PL? 25 and already a crazy career so far. Fresh of a 2 trophy summer. World champion as a main player(and arguably Germanys most famous then).
Suarez left the league. Rooney has his struggles. Where do the PL fans stand on this? Would be great to know a few views. Thank.
Has Özil been a main player? I did not recognize him as one during the matches. He might not have been so bad as some might have made him - but he for sure did not run the show. If Götze would have been better, Reus would have been available or Schürrle/Podolski would offer more creativity I think he would not even have started.
One assist for a 5:0 and a goal for a 2:0 is much too less for a player like him - who is no midfield engine but a player that mainly creates goal chances - when your team scores 18 goals...
Hazard, Toure and RvP might have something to say about it.. Not to mention new arrivals Fabregas, Costa, etc.
I like him as a player, would have took him last summer.. but he went Arsenal obviously. If he plays to his potential, the level we know he can perform at Real Madrid/early Arsenal form.. Then he's absolutely top drawer. He needs to also perform in the bigger games consistently, not disappear at OT, etc like last summer..
In terms of the leagues best player, I don't know sure he has a bit of competition to be the best at the Emirates, Sanchez/Ramsey..
I reckon United earn far more from marketing with Rooney than Arsenal with Özil.
I know where you are coming from, but those two have much more to prove than ozil does. Ozil was better in spain than sanchez and ramsey has had nowhere near as good a career as ozil so far although he is still young with his best years ahead of him. Im not saying ozil is better than rvp or hazard but he has been better in the cl than them over the last few years (more so with Madrid) and much better than toure who never shows up at all in the cl. I would definitely say he is among the best players in the premiership and one of the few that is proven at every level.
I think Hazard, Cesc, RVP, Toure, Aguero and Rooney. Maybe even Silva is considered a bigger 'star' than him. Ozil is a very good player but I think Sanchez now might be considered Arsenal's bigger 'star'.
I don't see how sanchez would be a bigger star or better player than ozil based on their careers so far. Ozil was the better play in spain. Ozil would have to be arsenals biggest star as he is the only player they have that played a key role in a team winning a major trophy (la liga). Ozil and silva are on a similar level, but silva is rated higher t the moment due to him having a better season. For all we know next season silva will play like he did in 12/13 and ozil will play like he did for Madrid and then ozil will be back in favour with people. From when ozil signed for Madrid til now, overall he has been the better and more consistent player and has been much better than silva in the cl due to silva underperforming at times (nowhere near as bad as toure does) and also city being shit in general and not giving silva a platform to perform on like Madrid did for ozil.
Of course bud I said that on Real Madrid form, he's absolutely top drawer or world class whatever way you want to phase it. Madrid form justifies his price tag, etc and at Real, am I right in saying that he was improving in the big games, in the Clasicos?
I think Sanchez will be great to be honest, potentially in a different role, more direct talk of him playing through the middle..
It's going to be interesting next year, in terms of who really stands out.. As anchan said no Suarez, and even Bale before that so it's open for someone to shine on.. Hazard, Ozil, RvP, Sanchez, Aguero, etc.
If his star quality is being defined exclusively by people who never watch the PL then he's got a chance of being the league's biggest. If not, it's an absolutely absurd suggestion.
In his last season he definitely was. Not just by being decisive (scoring or assisting) but by keeping the ball better and dropping deep to start counter-attacks the way Ronaldo does and di maria did on the right wing. Even when he was poor vs barca in games he was criticised for he still managed to score or assist, it was more his all-round game that needed to improve and it was starting too like I said. It seems like he has started to revert back to form in big matches last season for arsenal and not build on what he was doing in his last season for Madrid which is funny as surely it would be more difficult to perform vs barca than it would against city or moyes man utd
. Personally I think he needs a manager like mourinho to be constantly on top of him and not wenger who as far as I can see seems to indulge him much more than mourinho did. Mourinho used to use the carrot and stick approach by replacing him or leaving him out of the team in favour of other players (kaka or modric mostly) when he was in poor form or was not working hard enough. Maybe that is what it takes to get the best out of him.I'm not even considering quality here or their respective performances.
I don't think Sanchez is better than Ozil but he might be considered bigger to some over here anyway. I imagine he's huge in Chile whereas Ozil is just one of the many excellent players for Germany. Might be wrong, but that's just my feeling.
In his last season he definitely was. Not just by being decisive (scoring or assisting) but by keeping the ball better and dropping deep to start counter-attacks the way Ronaldo does and di maria did on the right wing. Even when he was poor vs barca in games he was criticised for he still managed to score or assist, it was more his all-round game that needed to improve and it was starting too like I said. It seems like he has started to revert back to form in big matches last season for arsenal and not build on what he was doing in his last season for Madrid which is funny as surely it would be more difficult to perform vs barca than it would against city or moyes man utd
Indeed he did revert back to type.. Was a ghost against us at Old Trafford last season.. Subtle little dig at us by the way
. Maybe he does need a strict approach, he's a bit of a playboy outside of football..
Indeed he did revert back to type.. Was a ghost against us at Old Trafford last season.. Subtle little dig at us by the way
Maybe he does need a strict approach, he's a bit of a playboy outside of football..
It wasn't actually a dig. It was more an acknowledgement that united were playing at a level well below what they are capable of playing at (due to being managed by someone who is out of his depth at the very highest level) and he still was unable to influence the game. Its quite shocking on ozils part really. I think he has no problems when it comes to talent and ability, but it is his mentality that prevents him from being the best or one of the best in his position or even the world. The numbers he puts up every year for assists are mind-blowing but if you regularly fail to influence the biggest matches you will not be rated among the very best and rightly so.
I know pal, only buzzin with you... If someone like saido berahino was scoring a winner at Old Trafford, then you would rightly expect a better performance from Ozil than he showed.
Of course, big players should influence the big games and all that. He had his season to settle in, get adjusted to English football and Arsenals style and confidence wise he should be entering the season on a high after winning the World Cup.. But could that be a problem for him, he won't have a pre season, and Oezil fatigue wise isn't all that.. When he was at your club, did he ever finish a game..
What does being the biggest star mean anyway? If you were to come up with some sort of coefficient based on goals, assists, individual trophies, team trophies, commercial pull, salary (I can't think of more possible factors), then Rooney will probably be the biggest name in the PL.
I thought He had definitely played well in the WC. I'll give him a 8/10 throughout the tournament.
He very rarely finished matches and I regularly read that mourinho was disappointed with him in that regard. Funnily enough sneijder was the same in that he never finished matches much either. Although reportedly they were both very fond of the nightlife and big womanisers (sneijders second season was very bad in comparison to his first one and he was reported to be out regularly cheating on his wife at the time with the woman he is married to now). It must be a playmaker thing
.Not a chance for me.
He very rarely finished matches and I regularly read that mourinho was disappointed with him in that regard. Funnily enough sneijder was the same in that he never finished matches much either. Although reportedly they were both very fond of the nightlife and big womanisers (sneijders second season was very bad in comparison to his first one and he was reported to be out regularly cheating on his wife at the time with the woman he is married to now). It must be a playmaker thing
Ozil a womanizer. The guy looks like a mutant ffs.
(I know...he's a footballer so to most women he's the best looking chap on earth)
there were rumours about his obsession over some woman in Madrid and his party-boy routine.Ozil a womanizer. The guy looks like a mutant ffs.
(I know...he's a footballer so to most women he's the best looking chap on earth)
I suppose money makes anyone with money a womaniser.Ozil a womanizer. The guy looks like a mutant ffs.
(I know...he's a footballer so to most women he's the best looking chap on earth)
?? As a non-British player he has to have at least one season of Ronaldo's level, RvP's 2011/12 or 2012/13 level or Suarez' level of last season to even come close to that, until then the star/face of the PL is still Rooney, and as far as foreign players go there are also many ahead of him (Toure, Silva, Aguero, RvP, Hazard to name a few).
He very rarely finished matches and I regularly read that mourinho was disappointed with him in that regard. Funnily enough sneijder was the same in that he never finished matches much either. Although reportedly they were both very fond of the nightlife and big womanisers (sneijders second season was very bad in comparison to his first one and he was reported to be out regularly cheating on his wife at the time with the woman he is married to now). It must be a playmaker thing
All that defending and tracking back he did..
To be fair to Sneijder, he did upgrade..
Ozil a womanizer. The guy looks like a mutant ffs.
(I know...he's a footballer so to most women he's the best looking chap on earth)
You don't need looks when your on what over 100k a week..
Wow. Don't think you'll find many people agreeing with a 8/10 rating tbh.