Bale turning Madrid down for us is crazy talk, Ozil wanting to join Manchester United instead of Arsenal isn't crazy at all, and is backed up by Ballague, Hunter, Ducker, Ogden and the Spanish press who say we were offered him two weeks ago but said no due his transfer fee and wage demands. At the end of the day none of this really matters, he's an Arsenal player and he'll be brilliant for them.
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I love that we signed Kagawa and expect great things from him, but let's be honest, he isn't equal to Ozil's quality right now.
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I'm sure we'd have been in for him if Rooney was sold. But he wasn't, so imo he'd have a been an expensive luxury. Great player without doubt though.
Kagawa was equally effective in Germany, only he got more goal than assists and for Ozil it was vice versa. Only difference is Ozil moved to a team which was ready-made to make use of his style, and Kagawa didn't.
He was better than him in their comparable times in the Bundesliga and, exactly like Ozil, got a cut price move to a truly massive club on the back of it. Kagawa was older, but also had to come from the Japanese second division. Unfortunately where Ozil (initially) shone massively, Kagawa has struggled.
A year ago the comparison would not have seemed particularly absurd, perhaps a year from now it won't either?
It'd be a major disappointment if Kagawa doesn't succeed here IMO. You just know that he'd then go to a club that suits his game and he'll look devasting again. Hopefully he can turn things around.
Fair enough but I just read an article that says the deal for Ozil to Arsenal was agreed on since earlier in the transfer window. They were just waiting for Bale to leave Spurs so it kinda sounds strange that Utd were offered him just two weeks ago. I have no clue what to believe anymore...doesn't matter now...he's an Arsenal player.
Since your first game vs Everton last season we could see the amount of technical ability and talent Kagawa has. Barring injuries, it still baffles me that he isn't a regular starter for Utd.
How can Ozil be too expensive ffs, fecking Glazers.
Wenger called Özil the first time on Wednesday, at least that's what his father said in an interview today on Sky Sports News.
He isnt but unless we give him the chance to shine, he never will have the opportunity to be so either. Kagawa at Dortmund was a totally different player.
It's been a mixture between injuries, adapting to the English game and our style of football.
Plus the fact that he's competing with Rooney for his favourite position on the pitch, which has also taken it's toll on the amount of chances he's had to shine.
Is it common for managers to get involved during early negotiations, though?
People will believe whatever they want to believe. Fact is, Ozil has signed for Arsenal. Be happy with that. Whether or not he would have preferred to join United is irrelevant, and we'll never know. We have several players who might have preferred to play for Real or Barcelona, hell Wayne Rooney would have preferred to play for Chelsea. It doesn't matter.
No idea, who's responsible for making the first contact at Arsenal. Il Prete Rosso wrote in the post I quoted that he read someone said the deal was agreed on since earlier in the transfer window. I doubt that's true after the interviews with Özil and his father/agent today.
I believe we were interested, but Ozil only made his mind up on Friday/Saturday after his phone sex with Wenger.
Is it just me or is that one of the 3 imposters sat in the back?
No, that is Theo Paphitisis just after signing Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
Even though our attacking players aren't of their calibre they aren't that bad either, he'll help them score more goals because he will be the most creative player in the team. Many matches last season we struggled to break teams down and didn't have enough pace of guile in midfield to make an impact, he'll help there a lot. Ozil isn't a tippy tappy player, quite a direct and incisive player. He is also a class above any creative player we have, those who believe what they read will think otherwise but if you watched us last season we didn't have enough creativity in our side apart from Cazorla.
As for our title chances, it will bring us closer but I don't think it will win us a title. Need a GK, Striker & CM before we can challenge for the title imo. Tried for the latter two but couldn't pull any deals off.
Where have I said he turned Man Utd down to join Arsenal? No proof he was offered to you or you actually wanted to sign him.
That's definitely his best side.
I am tired of hearing all summer that Man Utd turn down chance/ not interest in signing the likes of Thiago and Ozil etc , but end up paying over the odds for Fellaini instead. Make no mistake I am personally very happy with Fellaini signing, but even no brainer can easily tell which player we should sign at all cost if given the chance.
I hope so, the what-ifs scenario always sounds good to hear isn't it. Its just like back in the time where Berbatov was supposed to be our new Cantona when we first signed him.
Right now its Ozil who is miles better, no question about that, but being one of Kagawa's biggest fans, I hope we can at least start using him more here. And hopefully by end of season people would start comparing him with the likes of Ozil.
Ozil has proven a lot more. He's been playing at a higher level for longer, despite being the same age as Kagawa. Maybe Kagawa will end up being as good but at this moment Ozil is the better player.
Maybe it's just - and I know I'm saying this a tad early - not meant to be for Kagawa at Man Utd. Some players, and this is hard to explain, can be amazing for one club but fail to live up to their hype at another; Veron springs to mind as does Sahin or even Shevchenko.
Yeah but it seems like Kagawa wasn't given enough chances to prove himself as a starter for the club. There were games last season where his technical abilities may have been needed and Fergie chose to bring on Giggs/Young/Valencia...and he wasn't injured.
Shevchenko on the other hand...I'd never forgive Chelsea for destroying the career of one of my favourite strikers. I had serious man love for him... (no homo)
There were rumours from a few weeks ago hat Özil was offered to us and we refused. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...o-fund-gareth-bale-move--reports-8770450.html
Matters little now though.
Matters little now though.
I don't actually see how Ozil has proven more at a 'higher level' - Kagawa was one of the best players in an extremely good Dortmund team that won the Bundesliga twice in a row - unless of course you're saying it's not a top level competition. A year later, that exact same Dortmund team was thrashing Madrid in the CL semis. Ozil has a lot of assists in the last three years, but you have to account for the fact that about half or more of those were to Ronaldo. I don't see how a player can put in world class performances at Dortmund, but we're not supposed to discuss him in the same vein as players of his ilk simply because United haven't found a place for him in their team.
Are you forgetting Ozil's international performances? albeit Kagawa is also an impressive international performer and in a weaker side but Ozil is one of the best international players in the world. Anyway we'll see by the end of the season, lets hope Kagawa is as good.
Not at all, and I think you answered your own question there. Both players perform very well for their respective nations, but Ozil is in a far better German team.
1) Yes, I think La Liga is better than the Bundesliga, or at least it was while Kagawa was a Dortmund. 2) Ozil has more CL experience, the highest level for club teams. 3) Ozil has played at a higher level in international games.
Beyond that, he's been playing to a high standard for years and at different clubs. Kagawa only reached that level for the seasons he was at Dortmund.
Kagawa hasn't been able to establish himself in our team yet. Before he does that, there is no point in comparing him to one of the best attacking midfielders in the world. I hope he does that, and I think he will, injuries permitting. He was good at Dortmund, but we haven't seen much of that here at United, yet. Hopefully, by the end of the year we may be able to talk of them in the same breath.
That's very strange logic. How can an entire league improve it's general level in a single year? Your perception seems to skewed by how well the two big clubs did in the CL. The level is still relatively the same, overall. Secondly, Ozil has been in three CL campaigns as opposed to Kagawa's two, which isn't very much 'experience' on either side. Your third point is rather moot, it's like saying Torres is better than Ibrahimovic because he's played in more international finals - pointless.
Damn this transfer still upsets me. Lucky gooners.
Fun fact:
A Mesut Ozil printed Arsenal shirt costs £55
A Marouane Fellaini printed Manchester United shirt costs £62
A Mesut Ozil printed Arsenal shirt costs £55
A Marouane Fellaini printed Manchester United shirt costs £62
Kagawa fans are in for a huge disappointment if they believe that he is nearly as good as Ozil. Kagawa is the better goalscorer but Ozil is a much better playmaker. In his best season at Dortmund, Kagawa played more as a second striker than as a playmaker. IMO, he is far from being a world class playmaker.