Mesut Özil

The problem against Monaco was quite different actually, their first goal was a lucky deflection but the others were down to us being so high up the pitch and getting caught. Mertesacker was at fault for both of those goals, third goal was because we were pressing for an equaliser. We created more than enough chances in that game as well, Welbeck + Giroud missing near enough open goals.

The games against City + Utd we let the opposition have the ball and played on the counter, something we have not done well recently at all. We've not been able to play in that manner and mostly down to the type of players we have had. I think the addition of Coquelin has helped most in that regard. Against Man Utd your lot were like Bolton of a few years ago, long ball after long ball and it didn't really cause us that many issues. We've struggled against that tactic in the past but were able to cope just fine this time.

Also Monaco are not that good a team, we made them look a lot better than they actually are. We are most probably going out against them but I'd say any of the top 5 sides here would beat them comfortably.

Well that's not true at all. Unless you missed the entire first half. Meh, we're obviously seeing very different things in the same games of football. So I'm going to agree to disagree.
 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mesut-ozil-alexis-sanchez-arsenal-premier-league/

Think this article explains Ozil's game pretty well.

On the other hand, much of what Özil does well doesn’t show up on a stat sheet. Özil has made his career working in the places that none of our numbers and only our most observant eyes can see. He makes players better; he always has. It’s not his fault that we still haven’t figured out how to show it.

He's not a flashy player but he works hard, one game Sky had a stat showing he covered more distance than Sanchez that day. Perhaps its his body language and languid playing style that make people think he's lazy but if he was, he wouldn't be in the team. Wenger himself has come out and said recently that he only wants players who work hard at both ends of the pitch. He's been true to his word as well with Podolski and Arshavin both being frozen out from the team due to their lack of defensive work and even Walcott now, who is often guilty of the same thing, barely features at the moment.

Could he do more? Perhaps but so could every other player in world football

Is he a great player? Yes

I blame the Monaco defeat solely on the shoulders of our strikers who failed to score and our defense who gave up three easy goals. Ozil, Sanchez and Cazorla were the only players who came out of that match with some credibility.
 
On the other hand, much of what Özil does well doesn’t show up on a stat sheet. Özil has made his career working in the places that none of our numbers and only our most observant eyes can see. He makes players better; he always has. It’s not his fault that we still haven’t figured out how to show it.

So true. I must have dreamt up all those assist stats he was racking up at Madrid, the same one's Arsenal fans were fond of bringing up when he first joined. Now, only the most observant eyes can see his ability. The average fan is doomed to die without appreciating Ozil's invisible quality.
 
So true. I must have dreamt up all those assist stats he was racking up at Madrid, the same one's Arsenal fans were fond of bringing up when he first joined. Now, only the most observant eyes can see his ability. The average fan is doomed to die without appreciating Ozil's invisible quality.

Think he's still doing alright for assists as is. Like I pointed out on the last page, he's been involved in half of Arsenal's goals since he came back from injury. In fact if anyone is going through a little dip in returns right now it's probably Sanchez.
 
Think he's still doing alright for assists as is. Like I pointed out on the last page, he's been involved in half of Arsenal's goals since he came back from injury. In fact if anyone is going through a little dip in returns right now it's probably Sanchez.

Going through quite a big dip since Ozil came back into the Arsenal team. I suspect this isn't a coincidence. It also goes against this "Ozil makes players better" rhetoric. He seems to be having quite the opposite effect on Arsenal's best player.
 
Going through quite a big dip since Ozil came back into the Arsenal team. I suspect this isn't a coincidence. It also goes against this "Ozil makes players better" rhetoric. He seems to be having quite the opposite effect on Arsenal's best player.
Hard to tell, but I suspect it's just as likely to be post-WC fatigue. He had a long season, followed by a long, tough summer, then launched straight into a new league which is more physically demanding than he's ever experienced, without even the winter break he's accustomed to.
 
There's certainly a lot that you can criticise Özil for, but blaming him for Sanchez' dip in form now is a bit silly. It's not like Sanchez has been the most consistent player ever in the past years and some weird tactical change to include Özil causes his problems.
 
Going through quite a big dip since Ozil came back into the Arsenal team. I suspect this isn't a coincidence. It also goes against this "Ozil makes players better" rhetoric. He seems to be having quite the opposite effect on Arsenal's best player.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the productivity of all the individual Arsenal attackers has decreased since Ozil came back, except for Giroud whose output has improved.

Still though, the overall Arsenal attacking output has increased since he's returned and he's been at the centre of most of what they create.

Plus fatigue might be playing a part too. It's probably no coincidence that both Ozil and Giroud have played fewer games this season than the rest.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the productivity of all the individual Arsenal attackers has decreased since Ozil came back, except for Giroud whose output has improved.

Still though, the overall Arsenal attacking output has increased since he's returned and he's been at the centre of most of what they create.
Sounds a lot like Özil makes the team overall play better. Wasn't that the point? They're less dependent on individuals creating something on their own. That's a good thing in my book.
 
Going through quite a big dip since Ozil came back into the Arsenal team. I suspect this isn't a coincidence. It also goes against this "Ozil makes players better" rhetoric. He seems to be having quite the opposite effect on Arsenal's best player.

I think it's more to do with him being tired and (was) coming back from an injury.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the productivity of all the individual Arsenal attackers has decreased since Ozil came back, except for Giroud whose output has improved.

Still though, the overall Arsenal attacking output has increased since he's returned and he's been at the centre of most of what they create.

Plus fatigue might be playing a part too. It's probably no coincidence that both Ozil and Giroud have played fewer games this season than the rest.

Giroud is not the best striker to capitalise on Ozil's ability as he is simply just not quick or agile enough. Giroud likes to play one-twos and holds the ball up, whereas Ozil has made his name threading passes through to the on-running forwards.
 
Going through quite a big dip since Ozil came back into the Arsenal team. I suspect this isn't a coincidence. It also goes against this "Ozil makes players better" rhetoric. He seems to be having quite the opposite effect on Arsenal's best player.
Sanchez's slight dip in form
has more to do with fatigue than Özil. If anything, Özil's return coincided with other players picking up the slack and taking the scoring load off Alexis. We've played much better as a team since Özil's return.
 
He's got big holes in his game for a 40 million quid player. In the middle third, he's rather pointless. He's so weak and soft that he can't dictate the game, regardless of how intelligent he is. Then in the final third he's only relevant when there's space around. Space is generally around when a teams in transition so the rest of the time he's not going to add much. Then there's the fact that he's everything but a natural goal scorer. He's also an all round defensive liability, not one to do anything in the wars so to speak.

Very good player with great field vision. In his type of game he's got the highest peak of all arsenal players and can be a destructive force, unfortunately in different conditions he's likely to be a liability rather than an asset.
 
Bollocks. Oezil is the best #10 in the world for the positions he picks up in the final third. He's so aware of what's around him and his passing is so crisp and accurate, if Arsenal had a proper centre forward then Oezil would receive a lot more praise than he does currently.

I do think that his return has been detrimental to Sanchez though. Alexis spent a lot of time either playing through the middle of naturally drifting inside which gave him better opportunities to get into goal scoring positions. With Oezil playing #10, he doesn't get the same opportunities and is forced to play more of his football outwide. This is better for Arsenal as a team though, having Sanchez carry them through the first half of the season was not a healthy position for them to be in.
 
Bollocks. Oezil is the best #10 in the world for the positions he picks up in the final third. He's so aware of what's around him and his passing is so crisp and accurate, if Arsenal had a proper centre forward then Oezil would receive a lot more praise than he does currently.

I do think that his return has been detrimental to Sanchez though. Alexis spent a lot of time either playing through the middle of naturally drifting inside which gave him better opportunities to get into goal scoring positions. With Oezil playing #10, he doesn't get the same opportunities and is forced to play more of his football outwide. This is better for Arsenal as a team though, having Sanchez carry them through the first half of the season was not a healthy position for them to be in.

Well said.
 
di Maria did more than fish-face in the cup match

expect more than a couple of nice passes every 5th or 6th game for £ 40 M

london-media / Arse hype
 
Tremendous delicate clipped cross when through on goal yesterday. :wenger: <--- this looks a bit like him, innit
 
At one point in the 2nd half, he had 3 unmarked Arsenal players on the far post begging for a half decent cross. He ended up chipping the cross to Adrian. He passes and crosses the ball like he's on his last legs and has no energy to spare.
 
Tremendous delicate clipped cross when through on goal yesterday. :wenger: <--- this looks a bit like him, innit
That was hilarious

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Best #10 in the world, sickens me that he's at Arsenal.

Is he feck.

Arsenal fans will try to tell you he's some uber-refined player who the philistines don't appreciate - that is, of course, a load of old bollocks.

The chipped ball to Walcott yesterday when he should've squared to Giroud was a joke. Terrible decision making.
 
Is he feck.

Arsenal fans will try to tell you he's some uber-refined player who the philistines don't appreciate - that is, of course, a load of old bollocks.

The chipped ball to Walcott yesterday when he should've squared to Giroud was a joke. Terrible decision making.
It's not bollocks at all, it's absolutely spot on. There's no better 10 in the world in the final third, his movement, passing, intelligence, awareness is just utterly breathtaking. I've not seen anyone mention how he was the one who creates Arsenals first goal against us yet, that's an example of his subtle qualities. Out of interest, who's better than him do you think?
 
It's not bollocks at all, it's absolutely spot on. There's no better 10 in the world in the final third, his movement, passing, intelligence, awareness is just utterly breathtaking. I've not seen anyone mention how he was the one who creates Arsenals first goal against us yet, that's an example of his subtle qualities. Out of interest, who's better than him do you think?

I would have Silva over Ozil every time.

The guy just goes missing for large periods of games and in big games where the tempo is quick and tackles are flying in he is guaranteed to go missing most the time.
 
It's not bollocks at all, it's absolutely spot on. There's no better 10 in the world in the final third, his movement, passing, intelligence, awareness is just utterly breathtaking. I've not seen anyone mention how he was the one who creates Arsenals first goal against us yet, that's an example of his subtle qualities. Out of interest, who's better than him do you think?

He's up there, but Silva's definitely better at the moment.
 
It's not bollocks at all, it's absolutely spot on. There's no better 10 in the world in the final third, his movement, passing, intelligence, awareness is just utterly breathtaking. I've not seen anyone mention how he was the one who creates Arsenals first goal against us yet, that's an example of his subtle qualities. Out of interest, who's better than him do you think?

Created the first goal? The feck he did. That was all Ox and then some horrendous tracking back by Di Maria and awful defending from Valencia. The fact that Ozil is being credited with creating that goal with his "subtle" qualities says it all about how he's been playing.
 
Bollocks. Oezil is the best #10 in the world for the positions he picks up in the final third. He's so aware of what's around him and his passing is so crisp and accurate, if Arsenal had a proper centre forward then Oezil would receive a lot more praise than he does currently.

I do think that his return has been detrimental to Sanchez though. Alexis spent a lot of time either playing through the middle of naturally drifting inside which gave him better opportunities to get into goal scoring positions. With Oezil playing #10, he doesn't get the same opportunities and is forced to play more of his football outwide. This is better for Arsenal as a team though, having Sanchez carry them through the first half of the season was not a healthy position for them to be in.
:lol:
 
I would have Silva over Ozil every time.

The guy just goes missing for large periods of games and in big games where the tempo is quick and tackles are flying in he is guaranteed to go missing most the time.

Because Silva is a combative midfielder who will put his foot in, and there lies the difference? He's just as much of a culprit as anyone, and I don't blame them either because that's not their game. Two blissfully creative, intelligent midfielders but one must be discredited for not sticking his foot in, such a British point of view.

You talk about big game players, this is a player who performed in Clasicos, the feistiest/most prestigious derby in the world. A player that Ronaldo admitted was the player he enjoyed playing with the most. This is a player that was nominated for the Golden Ball after WC 2010 and created more chances than any German player in 2014 where he was a World Cup winner. This is a player who since coming back from injury, has scored in a North London derby and masterminded the only goal Arsenal created themselves to see them progress through to the FA Cup Semi's at Old Trafford. To suggest he isn't a big game player is quite frankly absurd.
 
Because Silva is a combative midfielder who will put his foot in, and there lies the difference? He's just as much of a culprit as anyone, and I don't blame them either because that's not their game. Two blissfully creative, intelligent midfielders but one must be discredited for not sticking his foot in, such a British point of view.

You talk about big game players, this is a player who performed in Clasicos, the feistiest/most prestigious derby in the world. A player that Ronaldo admitted was the player he enjoyed playing with the most. This is a player that was nominated for the Golden Ball after WC 2010 and created more chances than any German player in 2014 where he was a World Cup winner. This is a player who since coming back from injury, has scored in a North London derby and masterminded the only goal Arsenal created themselves to see them progress through to the FA Cup Semi's at Old Trafford. To suggest he isn't a big game player is quite frankly absurd.

How can you type so much with one hand?
 
Created the first goal? The feck he did. That was all Ox and then some horrendous tracking back by Di Maria and awful defending from Valencia. The fact that Ozil is being credited with creating that goal with his "subtle" qualities says it all about how he's been playing.

The Ox was fantastic for goal obviously, there can be more than one player that creates a goal you know.

The space was originally created by Ozil dragging Smalling out of position with his one two and driving into the space. He then plays the ball into the space and drags Valencia with him on his run, making space for Monreal. Intelligence, that allows Oxlades magnificent dribble to be a crucial one. It's also worth boring that he'd have probably got an assist had he had a half decent striker upfront, but unfortunately for him, Welbeck didn't think a 30 yard gap between our centre halves was enough to make a run.
 
Ozil is a precious player who is alright for his 'subtleties' at home but there's no chance in hell he's anywhere near the best #10, even with bizarre caveats like 'in the final third'.
 
Because Silva is a combative midfielder who will put his foot in, and there lies the difference? He's just as much of a culprit as anyone, and I don't blame them either because that's not their game. Two blissfully creative, intelligent midfielders but one must be discredited for not sticking his foot in, such a British point of view

Silva isn't combative or someone capable of putting his foot in.

He is a better and more versatile #10 than Özil though.