Mesut Özil

ChrisG11 said:
It's not bollocks at all, it's absolutely spot on. There's no better 10 in the world in the final third, his movement, passing, intelligence, awareness is just utterly breathtaking. I've not seen anyone mention how he was the one who creates Arsenals first goal against us yet, that's an example of his subtle qualities. Out of interest, who's better than him do you think?
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Silva, without doubt.

I'd also take Fabregas as a number 10 over Ozil.

Mata is better too. Just a shame he doesn't get a chance in the hole for United.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Ozil is a precious player who is alright for his 'subtleties' at home but there's no chance in hell he's anywhere near the best #10, even with bizarre caveats like 'in the final third'.
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You think "in the final third" is bizarre? Where do you want your 10's to best operate then? Which 10's are better than Oezil?
 
ChrisG11 said:
You think "in the final third" is bizarre? Where do you want your 10's to best operate then? Which 10's are better than Oezil?
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Switch it the other way - what's the difference between 'final third #10' and a regular #10?
 
Feed Me said:
Silva, without doubt.

I'd also take Fabregas as a number 10 over Ozil.

Mata is better too. Just a shame he doesn't get a chance in the hole for United.
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Mata isn't unfortunately, he's not comfortable under pressure in dangerous areas. You'll often find him play one twos with his back to goal to the receive the ball deeper on the right hand side, so he has space on his left foot.

With regards to Fabregas, has he ever done much in big games this season considering that point has been brought up? He's better infront of goal and makes some brilliant third man runs, but I'm not sure he works as hard as Mesut to create space for his team mates.

Silva is an incredibly intelligent midfielder and I love watching his intricate passing in tight spaces, and he's fantastic and working overloads for the full back. Sadly, he's even more of a bottler infront of goal than Oezil and doesn't have such a well rounded passing range as Mesut, in my opinion.

I really do think Oezil is the most complete out of the three. His awareness of his team mates and his movement to bring them into play is incredible. He makes runs in behind the striker to support Giroud, he has the vision around the area to play quick, intricate football and passing is incredibly slick and crisp which not only makes it easier for his recurve to control the ball, it gives them more time on it too.

I think if you put Oezil in a title winning side, his quality would be a lot more obvious to everyone, just like it was when he was at Madrid.
 
You bring up Fabregas's lack of big game contribution as an issue when you are comparing him to Ozil. Are you on a wum?
 
DWelbz19 said:
Switch it the other way - what's the difference between 'final third #10' and a regular #10?
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There isn't any difference in terms of general positional sense, but I never said there was anyway. The differences lies with how they operate within that area, which I explained in my last post.
 
ChrisG11 said:
Mata isn't unfortunately, he's not comfortable under pressure in dangerous areas. You'll often find him play one twos with his back to goal to the receive the ball deeper on the right hand side, so he has space on his left foot.

With regards to Fabregas, has he ever done much in big games this season considering that point has been brought up? He's better infront of goal and makes some brilliant third man runs, but I'm not sure he works as hard as Mesut to create space for his team mates.

Silva is an incredibly intelligent midfielder and I love watching his intricate passing in tight spaces, and he's fantastic and working overloads for the full back. Sadly, he's even more of a bottler infront of goal than Oezil and doesn't have such a well rounded passing range as Mesut, in my opinion.

I really do think Oezil is the most complete out of the three. His awareness of his team mates and his movement to bring them into play is incredible. He makes runs in behind the striker to support Giroud, he has the vision around the area to play quick, intricate football and passing is incredibly slick and crisp which not only makes it easier for his recurve to control the ball, it gives them more time on it too.

I think if you put Oezil in a title winning side, his quality would be a lot more obvious to everyone, just like it was when he was at Madrid.
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Silva's a bottler in front of goal?

He has 9 in his last 16 and a better career record than Ozil.
 
akash02 said:
You bring up Fabregas's lack of big game contribution as an issue when you are comparing him to Ozil. Are you on a wum?
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I didn't. Someone brought up Oezils big game contribution and then I compared it to Fabregas, after giving examples of how Oezil has faired on the biggest stage.
 
ChrisG11 said:
I think if you put Oezil in a title winning side, his quality would be a lot more obvious to everyone, just like it was when he was at Madrid.
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If you put Titus Bramble in a title winning side, he'd a look a lot better as well.

It's not very obvious right now because Ozil isn't actually doing much. Even yesterday, Giroud's link up play in and around the box was a step above Ozil's.


Also Cazorla is someone who deserves to be discussed when we are talking about #10's. Second only to Silva in the league for me.
 
Feed Me said:
Silva's a bottler in front of goal?

He has 9 in his last 16 and a better career record than Ozil.
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Yes, massively. Do you not watch City? Do you not see how hesitant Silva is in goal scoring positions?
 
akash02 said:
If you put Titus Bramble in a title winning side, he'd a look a lot better as well.

It's not very obvious right now because Ozil isn't actually doing much. Even yesterday, Giroud's link up play in and around the box was a step above Ozil's.


Also Cazorla is someone who deserves to be discussed when we are talking about #10's. Second only to Silva in the league for me.
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No he wouldn't, he'd be even more exposed given the gulf in quality around him.

Giroud was excellent today and has been in great form, have you noticed who's returned recently? Ramsey has been finding form as well, noticed who's returned recently? Arsenal are in great form as a whole and it's no coincidence that Oezil has returned to the side. It's not all down to him, players like Cazorla and Coquelin have been putting in great performances themselves, but as good as Cazorla has been, I wouldn't class him as a better player than Oezil.
 
In fairness, Silva's a "bottler" in the same way Giggs was in that 9 times out of 10 he'd prefer to pass it rather than shoot to the extent that he'll often do it even where he's more likely to score by shooting.

And Mata is bang average.
 
Any fule kno Shinji Kagawa is/was the top #10

so I've read on here a fair bit anyway,
 
Debatable, but despite that it's from a different position. Santi's qualities are that he's able to run with the ball from deep and commit defenders, as well as being a threat from range with either foot. He's good in the final third, but being able to run and create space rather than constantly receive the ball in between the lines and being aware of what's around you are two completely different skill sets.
 
I think Mata is better, or at least on the same level. I'd have Coutinho over either of them.
 
Mogget said:
You rate Coutinho far too highly. I think you mentioned he's better than Sterling in another thread.
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I do think he's better than Sterling. Just my opinion, but I think some Liverpool fans might agree (not sure tbh) @Barney what you think?
 
DWelbz19 said:
He is.
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:lol:

Except he's not, he can't get games ahead of Fellaini for crying out loud. Mourinho has praised Ozil as one of the best players in the world, yet flogs Mata as soon as he gets to Chelsea.
 
Oh, right. Mourinho is the voice of reason here. :lol:
I don't even rate Mata highly, he's still better than the precious Ozil.
 
I don't know if I should post this somewhere else, but this guy is a class act off the field.

 
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