I mean silent in terms of throwing shade his way.
This thread is the exact example of it. Look at it in December, then look the past week. People change their opinions weekly depending on one bad game. And i'm talking about Arsenal fans too.
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I mean silent in terms of throwing shade his way.
This thread is the exact example of it. Look at it in December, then look the past week. People change their opinions weekly depending on one bad game. And i'm talking about Arsenal fans too.
Wrong. If you keep a manager in the job season after season that has never shown he can deliver, then you'll end up doing the same thing. Which you are.
You finished 8th, then you finished 8th. This season, I guess you'll climb to 7th. What a project.
Meh, I see that the simplistic way of looking at it. I'd rather look at what Arteta has actually done in his time in charge.
He started while we were 11th. In his spell in charge that season, he averaged 6th and won a cup. That's fine for a first season.
He then had a terrible 5 months at the start of his 2nd season. He played a load of old, unreliable players who didn't show any passion on the pitch. In December he changed that, went 4-2-3-1 and started playing more youth and a proper number 10. It transformed the side. Ever since that, we've been averaging 4th place in the league, which is the last 14 months.
I never expected Arteta to come in and be the saviour. He's young and inexperienced. He will have mistakes. The question to me is, will he learn from them. And so far, he is learning from most of them.
If any Arsenal fans just expected instant success with Arteta, they were kidding themselves. The competition is very high in the league, and the whole club needed a refresh, top to bottom. This takes time, not 1 season like you seem to be expecting..
This season I want us to be competing all the way for 4th place, but the reality is, 3-8 is going to be extremely compact and tbh probably the tightest it will ever be. I said 7th, but actually I take that back, 6th is the minimum i'd want to see this season. Equally, the club need to back Arteta in the next week. Artetas made it clear the squad isn't enough currently, let's see what they can do. We've lost: Mari, Kolasinac, Balogun, Auba, AMN since the start of the season. Granted each bit part players, but it adds up. We need 1 or 2 new players in to keep the numbers.
Hope you keep the good work with Arteta mate. It should not be easy. Maybe in 15 years you’ll get top 5.
Seriously, I just think this rebuilding stuff is bullsh*t.
You just need a great manager with a tone of cash.
What is wrong at United is that we didn’t have a good manager (let alone a great one) since Fergie left.
Ok. How many great managers are out there?
If you're asking if i'd have preferred Klopp or Pep to Arteta, then my answer obviously is yes.
But.. there aren't many managers like that about, least of all many that would have taken the Arsenal job at that time..
United still can't get a great manager in, after spending boat loads, having Ronaldo in the squad, and finishing 2nd last year.
Ten Hag is maybe an option, even he has risks. Naglesmann is one, but why would he leave Bayern? Everyone was calling from Rodgers non stop at the time, but I don't see massive proof he'd be doing much better tbh
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I'd imagine the people 'throwing shade' are different from the people talking about Arteta making progress. It's not the same people flipflopping on Arteta every week.
Well, I've been saying Artetout consistently. I simply can't see this so called progress some fans are seeing.
From February till the end of the season you'll basically play 4 games a month. Think you'll do fine and finish season strongly. Will it be enough for top 4, don't know.
Arteta is a weird one. Outside of that one FA cup, there isn’t really any metric that I can point at to say that I personally think he’s doing a good job. To my eyes it looks like he’s doing a bad job, and yet there are so many voices among football that talk about what a good job he’s doing, and seemingly a decent amount of fans that feel the same.
It’s a bit like when Moyes was here and I thought he was a disaster from the beginning, and yet it seemed like everyone else was seeing something that I wasn’t seeing.
It’s a bit like when Moyes was here and I thought he was a disaster from the beginning, and yet it seemed like everyone else was seeing something that I wasn’t seeing.
Don't expect him to be entering the next season as Arsenal manager. Can't say I see too much method to his more recent decisions in the transfer window. It's almost vindictive, and seems more harmful than positive in any way.
Even the FA Cup can't really be used in the grand scheme of things.
Many average managers have won domestic cups in recent times.
I think you'll be disappointed then. I think Kronke will back him and back him quite heavily in the summer window.
That’s hilarious. How the mighty have fallen. Replace “Arteta” with “the manager” and that could have been written by a fan of any one of a number of mid-table clubs. It really is remarkable how effectively Arteta bas lowered expectations for (some) Arsenal fans.
Arteta will stay even we don't qualify for CL next season. The board is fully behind Edu and Arteta's project, for now.
Could realistically be 1 or 2 players left from that picture after the summer! 
Edit: Mavropanos should be greyed out as well.
Edit: Mavropanos should be greyed out as well.
The only good thing he’s done Cup aside is bring through a bunch of youngsters and even then he’s managed to alienate Saliba and lose Guendouzi. I don’t see anything positive about his style of football or management.Certainly done nothing to deserve the level of backing he’s got from the board. Can’t name another big club manager who’s been given the time and money and delivered such mediocre results without getting sacked.
I think he's doing a decent job when all is said and done. We had a poor few games at the start of the season due to covid and tough fixtures and then picked up.
January was also crap, but in a big part that was down to our complete lack of central midfielders thanks to AFCON and cards. The mistake was to loan AMN out at the start of the window rather than the end.
Think as long as we strengthen midfield and buy a decent striker we'll be in a much better position next season. If Arteta can't get a good league position then, I'll reevaluate him.
January was also crap, but in a big part that was down to our complete lack of central midfielders thanks to AFCON and cards. The mistake was to loan AMN out at the start of the window rather than the end.
Think as long as we strengthen midfield and buy a decent striker we'll be in a much better position next season. If Arteta can't get a good league position then, I'll reevaluate him.
He's got all his eggs in the Martinelli basket. And hoping Lacazette's legs can hold for 5 months. I think/hope we can at least get 6th and get back into Europe. 7th or worse and he should go. I feel like there is no scenario where we get Europe and replace him.
that is a fair target given the money spent in the summer. Arteta's man management skill leave a lot to be desired and cost the club quite a lot of money. I can't imagine the fall out with so many players will happen on Ancelotti.
It's depressing the amount of my fellow gooners who think he's doing a good job.
I am changing my opinion of him. He is doing well. He looks more relaxed in the job and he looks confident. Might come down to the head-to-head for 4th.
Still don't understand why he isn't rated on here. His squad is worse than ours and Spurs and they are playing well. Another good win. If he keeps this up, he could have Arsenal is the champion league, which was unimaginable before the start of the season. I believe they missed a boat in signing vlahovic. They could have been a stronger team if they put more effort into signing him
He took them to the incredible heights of 8th two seasons running. At a club with higher expectations he would never be in the job now. It's not exactly a brilliant record, is it?
He is Ole reincarnate. As long as he is in charge, Arsenal will remain irrelevant. Like us last season, he's taking advantage of the teams around him being shite rather than actually being any good.
It was only arguably “unimaginable“ because of their shit record in recent seasons under, checks notes, Mikel Arteta…
Arsenal have been in the mix for the top 4 under every manager ever and Arteta has spent more money than any Arseanal manager in Premier Lesgue history. By a huge margin. Unimaginable. Christ.
Aye it was he who dropped the standards really. He’s merely picking them back up. Also spurs squad is most definitely worse than Arsenals. Arsenal should get 4th and if they don’t Arteta should genuinely look for another career. He’s competing for 4th with two grossly underperforming muck clubs and a few mid table sides.
Eh?? Ask that question before the start of the season and nobody would have agreed. Nobody rated Ramsdale, White, Tavares etc etc as signings..
Find this take pretty silly really. United and Spurs both have more experienced managers and better squads..
Arteta has got us playing decent football, good shape, completely rebuilt the squad, and in the race for top 4.
Anyone who wants to discredit him is just doing it because they are stubborn imo.
There's entire threads on arsenal forums that discredit him.
As @PoTMS said above he’s getting the same helping hand that Ole got last season, with two of their closest rivals having such poor seasons they had to sack their manager. With an added bonus of no other competitions to play in (apparently they’ll only play just over 40 matches this season!) Ole rode that wave all the way to second place. Let’s see if Arteta can do the same (spoiler: he can’t)
Same thing goes for plenty of Arsenal fans. Lots wanted him out about 15 months ago and still want him out despite nothing in the past 15 months suggesting it.
He's done nothing so far to say we should be sacking him atm. Even if he finishes top 6, hes completely rebuilt the squad and got us structured and playing much better stuff. He's done a lot of work.
I think not having a top striker still might cost us in the top 4 race, but we'll see. Lacazette is decent but he really just isn't getting enough goals at all.
He's our Ole. Shouldn't even be here, he should be gone like Ole. I wrote this guy off a long time ago.
It would genuinely shock me if he gets top 4. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about him.
But I still stand by my prediction that he will never make it. Last season's Europa League implosion against Villareal and his horrific league position means that he can never win over me unless I physically hear that Champions League anthem at the Emirates again. Last season was unforgivable.
Arsenal board definitely rates him. Arteta will be given an extension to his existing contract. Vlahovic has zero interest joining Arsenal so nothing Edu can do. Any european football would be nice for next season. Edu probably is busy looking for a striker the club can afford this summer.
He never wanted to sign for anyone else but Juventus. They offered him mad wages and were prepared to give Fiorentina what they want. He was never going to Arsenal.
He's doing a good job. They play better football than us and odds on for top 4 which very few predicted pre season.
Do they really play good football?
They seem a lot better at not losing to mediocre teams these days.
Better than us doesn't need to be 'good' to be fair. Yeah, they are consistent at winning games they are favourites for.
Yes, we do.
But to be fair that has only really been since Auba got dropped. Before that we didn't create a massive amount still. But, since Auba got dropped we've played much better.
They're performing well this season and deserve credit for it.
Next season will allow us to see if this is going somewhere.
Next season will allow us to see if this is going somewhere.
I didn't rate him earlier this season and felt the players quality would carry us through. Got to give credit though, we are clearly playing as a cohesive team in and out of possession.